if you fish you will see why I am angry.

thanks patrol 22 for making it easier to find, I'm a bit of a Neanderthal when it comes to computers cheers Bill.

The same thing happened in the Gippsland Lakes, where netters killed the fishing for us. The Govt brought out licences with our fishing licence fees. Sounds good, but most of those licences were from retired fisho's who were not using them. So the licences that were not brought out still work the lakes. No fish for tea again tonight.

you only have to visit Sydney fish market - you're not telling me at least half that stuff doesn't get chucked in the bin because they catch more than they sell

what a load of rubbish Steve, why not stick to the facts or something near them instead of making up crap?
Just cause there is "lots of fish", half of it must get thrown away?

ok, I might well be wrong but instead of getting angry, just put us right. You sound like you have a vested interest and I would think more knowledge.

I have heard of refrigeration but there is a colossal amount of fish on display there and the place is often empty. so where does it all go? You can only keep fish fresh for so long and I would be genuinely interested to know how they go about it.

I have never been to the sydney markets but did sell fish thru there on many occasions. Never had any "disposed" of unlike when sending to Tsukiji markets where its pretty sus-still gets used but you get charged for removal!
You do maybe need to look closer-why would any fisherman send his fisht there if half got dumped?
What time of day are you there?

How would you know what gets dumped? Genuine question. I am actually interested in how it works because when I see the amount of fish on display there and hardly a customer in sight, it just makes me wonder, that's all. Refrigeration and keeping it on ice must have it's limits.

This might sound odd but they might sell it because they get paid for it.

You still haven't answered the question but just keep denying it and getting yourself worked up. I made a comment based on what a retired fisherman told me in my first post but if you know otherwise let us know. For what it's worth he also said stocks were rock bottom because of over fishing. He was talking as a trawlerman who had fished off NZ and Australia and it was open slather for overseas boats as well. I don't pretend to know much on the subject but you're more than welcome to enlighten me. If you can only keep denying it and asking the time of day I'll leave it there.

how would you know if it gets dumped? Cos you wouldnt get paid for it Steve, and would receive a bill for its removal.
A trawler who has a limited amount of quota, why would they have any interest in putting fish there of which "half gets dumped"? He cant catch it again later.


"You still haven't answered the question but just keep denying it"-what question are you referring to?

Seams a pretty simple question to me.

Just what does happen to all the fish which is not sold at the Fish Markets?

As Steve says it must somehow have a "Use By" date, Is to taken by a processor and frozen or just discarded?

ok Bruce, I might be a little slow but I still cant see where Steve asked that in his first statement.
He made a statement "you're not telling me at least half that stuff doesn't get chucked in the bin"
But-for sure some would be disposed of, at the tip, fishmeal. Generally though when that time gets close its sold off cheap to your local fish and chip guy who knows thats still better than Basa out of a polluted Vietnamese sewer pond.
Never happened to anything I sold there though the prices sometimes are well below whats worthwhile.

Steve made the accusation that the stuff gets dumped - surely it is up to him to justify the statement not others.

Steve said "you're not telling me at least half that stuff doesn't get chucked in the bin because they catch more than they sell" - what is the basis of that statement.

Garry

"accusation"? Jeez, getting a bit carried away here. I haven't accused anyone of murder. If you saw the place on the day I last saw it, you might understand why the thought occurred to me.

Fisho has largely answered my question in his last post.

It emerges he is in the industry and probably under threat from overseas competition and probably restrictions. I don't really know much about that either but understand his position better now.

Anyway, good luck fisho.

Thanks mate but im long out of that game. Nowadays, whenever you fuel up your car, your contributing to my tidy salary!

Just hate seeing these beatups whether against fishing, 4wd etc.

Thanks mate but im long out of that game. Nowadays, whenever you fuel up your car, your contributing to my tidy salary!

Just hate seeing these beatups whether against fishing, 4wd etc.

Sounds to me like youre covering your own industry if thats what you maybe do, fisho64.

I lost faith in commercial fishers when one was handing out bags of juvenile 60mm-100mm long tailor a few years ago, i thought how the hell can there be any left to breed in the future if thats the way they do things.

Why dont you put something up to show us the above story is not true rather than ask where the proof that it is, same thing, show us its not happening.

Nutta read what I wrote. I said I wouldnt discount that it didnt occur. But how would anyone prove it if NOBODY would put their name to the reports including (especially) a "well-known angling commentator"?

Its no different to a 4wd'er defending their right to go bush-how would you prove that an un-named person/vehicle didnt do something stupid at an un-named time and reported by an un-named source?

Actually Fisho, if you read through the whole piece and comments linked to it is obvious that multiple sources, including named local anglers confirm the story of multiple boats netting Coila day after day.

It's not just the estuaries that are being pillaged either. I've just come back from 5 weeks on the NSW coast and concentrating on beach fishing. There were good and bad news stories from the trip. Good news, the pippies are back. Bad news, the beach from Crescent Head to Hat Head appears to have been stripped. The beach structure was eyewateringly sweet. The pippies were there in greater numbers than I've seen in 30 years. Suspiciously large numbers of them in fact.

Fished numerous holes repeatedly on the same tides that used to be productive and not even a bite from a dart. Where did the fish go? Did recreational fishing do some of the over harvest damage? Unquestionably. But the clean sweep sure looked like the results of netting to me.

Cheers
Mark

Gnomey that is the same scenario that we have at Sussex Inlet, pristine conditions and no fish, we have witnessed the commercial netting on several occasions
We recently had the bag limits for recreational fisherman reduced in NSW which is a joke

Ive read and reread it and the ONLY name I can see is the Fisheries Minister?
You might be referring to the comments section where anonymous people add comments but after reading about 20 or 30 the only "named" people there were defending it.

Fotr the simpletons out there I have said that I am not saying it didnt/couldnt happen. Just that to me its not a credible story if noone wants to be named in it. Why? well, you try and work it out.

Well if the netters are as aggressive as some of the towies around why would you want to be named.

Why should people have to be named?!

Nutta, barely worth answering.
But if that was the case Id think the "author" of the story would have written that the source wished to remain anonymous as he feared for his life.
As I read it, the author did not speak to any of the sources directly, only 3rd hand. Which is worth jack s++t as any 3L Patrol owner will tell you.

Fisho wrote:

"I've read and reread it and the ONLY name I can see is the Fisheries Minister? You might be referring to the comments section where anonymous people add comments but after reading about 20 or 30 the only "named" people there were defending it.

Fotr the simpletons out there I have said that I am not saying it didnt/couldnt happen. Just that to me its not a credible story if noone wants to be named in it. Why? well, you try and work it out."

From the linked comments:
Gary K wrote:
"The netting boats that rape Coila Lake are launched daily from the end of my street. I stand on my balcony and curse the three netters that have been working Coila over every single day for the last 12 months"

John S wrote:
"This lake is in my back yard, I have fished it and seen many super sized Bream caught and released. 99% of rec anglers know the value of these fish as a sports fish and as breeders! The story is true and very sad, the lake is small and I have seen up to 3 commercial boats at time haul netting the lake!"

I've redacted their full names and for obvious reasons.

Cheers
Mark