What is going on................ ANY ONE............Help
Submitted: Tuesday, Jun 04, 2013 at 17:33
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Member - Broodie H3
HELP< I am after a bit of information from the people that drive 4X4, and tow caravans. The Long weekends here in
Perth and my wife and I took off for
Geraldton towing our caravan, on the way up we did our normal average 12.8 l/ph/klm. everything is working beautifully. we spend the weekend in
Geraldton and head for
home about 10.00am all is good, we come
home via the coast, run a bit of scenic touring as we approach
Jurien Bay I notice that the trip meter with the fuel average is now showing 15.8 ltrs/p/h/klms, and we have only come two hundred kilometres, by the time we get into the drive way at
home it is now showing, 17.9ltrs/p/h/klm's coming out of
Geraldton and across the flats of
Greenough we had a stiff head wind, but by 11.00 o'clock it had gone. The only thing different on the vehicle before we went was a new set of tyres same size and diameters, as the old set only the new ones are an allterrian from Bridgestone, and I don't believe that they would put the fuel consumption out by that much, if at all. any one got any Idea with what is going on and why. the vehicle is a Nissan Pathfinder ti550 r51 v6 diesel, and until this trip the most economical vehicle that I have owned, any clues the speed was set on the cruise control at 95kl/p/hr, which is our normal cruising and towing speed, I hope someone can explain it to me . thank you.
Reply By: Ross M - Tuesday, Jun 04, 2013 at 21:28
Tuesday, Jun 04, 2013 at 21:28
Broodie
You have an electronically controlled diesel which adjusts it's fuel input requirements according to an electronic map covering all possible engine situations.
When travelling into a head wind there will be a considerable increase in load applied to the engine.
While relatively normal usage is happening not much changes but the ECU will adjust progressively to a load increase. This will require more power and that comes from the fuel.
Commodore cars when the VN model was made although petrol, were economical but hook up a trailer with not much load in it and the load sensing of the system made it suddenly go from 30+ mpg to 22 or 23mpg because it couldn't stay in the advanced mode it was in previously. A caravan worse still.
With the wind load you have most likely crossed the map to the power zone and and not operating in the most economic for that load.
Trying to maintain 95kmp in those conditions just demands more fuel and a little less speed would mean far better economy.
The rule I think is twice the speed 4 times the power requirements.
The cruise control will definitely not give you the best economy, your driving skill will do it better even though the auto is trying it's best. The auto, like the ECU, also has a brain which cannot match all situations either.
Your brain can.
Wise speed, no cruise, less fuel you will use.
Ross M
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Follow Up By: Member - Broodie H3 - Wednesday, Jun 05, 2013 at 11:11
Wednesday, Jun 05, 2013 at 11:11
Good morning
Ross, I have just booked the vehicle into the Nissan dealership [still under warranty] as when I spoke to them they recommended that it be brought in as the fuel consumption is to far out from the guide lines and they want to know why. so do I. I shall let you know the out come tomorrow
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Reply By: member - mazcan - Tuesday, Jun 04, 2013 at 22:24
Tuesday, Jun 04, 2013 at 22:24
hi broodie H3
the other guys are right on the money in respect to the hills on the rd south they are long and steeper than you think
I have towed a 16 viscount up and down that rd with 2 different vehicles and the both used a lot more fuel coming back to
perth than going up north
as for the wind at the the weekend you are right when you say there wasn't much
I just looked back over the wind conditions for that area on a weather site and it was around 11k's p/hr for Monday and mainly ENE
and yes on hilly rds switch off the cruise control as it forces the motor to maintain a constant speed all the way up the
hill under load and will zap the fuel while doing so
cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - Broodie H3 - Wednesday, Jun 05, 2013 at 11:23
Wednesday, Jun 05, 2013 at 11:23
Hi Mazcan, I have been reading your comments for months now and the one thing that remains constant in all your comments is, and it has me confused because I can't work it out is "QUEBBAMBIDDYUMTAL" would you care to share what it means it is driving me nuts, I have worked out what a lot of others are but yours has me stumped lol. Getting back on topic we have towed the van up and down some pretty serious hills with head winds and have never had fuel consumption figures like we did on the weekend, even on previous trips to
Geraldton we have never had figures anywhere near this trip that is why we are so concerned. we shall see tomorrow. thanks for sharing Mazcan
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Follow Up By: member - mazcan - Wednesday, Jun 05, 2013 at 14:02
Wednesday, Jun 05, 2013 at 14:02
hi broodie H3
I don't wish to be rude but in saying that the answer to your --- driving me nuts question
is written beside the word that is such a puzzle for you
'attempt to achieve the impossible immediately and a miracle a little later'
sorry but I cant make it any clearer
have you heard the sayings
cant see the
forrest for the trees
or
you need to have a mum look
cheers
have another bo-peep
lol
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Follow Up By: Member - Broodie H3 - Wednesday, Jun 05, 2013 at 17:17
Wednesday, Jun 05, 2013 at 17:17
Mazccan, I have heard that saying before and some of the others that you have mentioned. thank you. I am always accused of having a man look and not a girl look and you'd never guess by whom. thank you
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Follow Up By: Member - Broodie H3 - Friday, Jun 07, 2013 at 11:28
Friday, Jun 07, 2013 at 11:28
Good morning all, To those that have given insight into the problem It is now fixed. apparently the trip computer had zeroed it self back to zero, so that it did not have enough information to make an accurate fuel consumption average, and as we were towing it was getting all sorts of messages particularly going uphill, how it managed to reset itself I don't know, but when I drove it to the morely dealership it was reading 8.7lts p/h/klms, so go figure that one because as they said to me it should not happen, upshot they have now replace the computer and have gone through the whole fuel system and it should be fixed now. Driving
home I had the figures of 9.8 which is normal for around the city. thank you all for your thoughts.
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