Manual vs Auto Fuel Consumption Offroad

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Manual vs Auto Fuel Consumption Offroad
Prado Point Man VsAuto 5-6/13
Manual vs Auto Fuel Consumption Offroad
Considering selling my HZJ105R 5spd manual to get new Prado 150 D4D, probably a GX.
Auto vs Manual - Reliability & Strength & Fuel economy differences, especially off road on desert travel where I am looking to maximise fuel range eg Canning and Len Beadell Bomb roads.
Has anyone been on long desert trek eg Canning Stock Route or Simpson Desert and compared manual vs auto fuel consumption off road in otherwise similar modern 4wds? Fuel Range an important consideration.
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Reply By: Robin Miller - Thursday, Jun 06, 2013 at 08:30

Thursday, Jun 06, 2013 at 08:30
Hi BwwB

I have had 2 of the same cars and run them together - Thirsty Patrol 4800 petrols , one manual and one Auto.

There was a clear substantial difference - The manual was better in the bush and slow
stuff whereas the auto is actually better on a highway cruise by about 6%.

You can predict this by checking for lower engine RPM at your cruising speed (95kmh for me).

I did the Canning in the manual for 18lt/100km whereas a troppy V8 diesel with me used 14.7lt/100km

The manual has the ability to have its revs momentarily drop way down whereas the auto swaps up a gear and revs and friction losses increase.

Also done Madigan and other slow tracks and mostly you just idle along 1000 - 1500rpm and use little fuel in the manual.
The Canning though is an easier faster track probably mostly 40kph.

Have been working to make the auto as good as the manual and recently had gearbox hotted up so that it spends less time in the torque converter , seriously works better in the sand but to early to get overall consumption figures.

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Follow Up By: bwwb - Thursday, Jun 06, 2013 at 21:54

Thursday, Jun 06, 2013 at 21:54
Thanks Robin

Was the 18L/100km for a 4800 Petrol Patrol auto or manual?
Either way I am surprised the petrol got a consumption figure that good, especially compared against modern CRD such as the V8 troopy
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Friday, Jun 07, 2013 at 08:23

Friday, Jun 07, 2013 at 08:23
18 was for the manual BwwB.

It is a good figure for that type of car but I think thats because Canning is relatively easy drive apart from the corrugations.
In a Simpson crossing it used 22lt.

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Reply By: andoland - Thursday, Jun 06, 2013 at 08:42

Thursday, Jun 06, 2013 at 08:42
I have a 150 D4D GX manual. I averaged spot on 14L/100km for the length of the Canning and averaged 12.6 L/100km over the entire 10,500km trip. these are real, measured numbers not what the in-dash display says.

I don't have any auto figures to compare to.

In terms of reliability I don't think there's any known issues with either gearbox on the Prado.

I'm about to head off across the Simpson and back across Madigan line so will be able to provide more figures in a month or so.
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Reply By: Patrol22 - Thursday, Jun 06, 2013 at 13:10

Thursday, Jun 06, 2013 at 13:10
The Prado is a good vehicle but IMHO your HZJ105R is much better for the tough going and has more room. But on the other hand the Prado is probably much more comfortable and will be better for highway running. I don't think you will notice too much difference between either the auto or manual .....frankly I'm getting a bit slack in my old age and now prefer the diesel/auto combination for both off road and on road driving.
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Reply By: bwwb - Thursday, Jun 06, 2013 at 21:41

Thursday, Jun 06, 2013 at 21:41
I have heard of heat build up being quite significant in many autos in soft beach sand & Simpson Desert crossings especially if left in high range.
Is a transmission cooler advisable?
Does one have to stop regularly to allow the auto to call down?
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Reply By: Will 76 Series - Thursday, Jun 06, 2013 at 22:09

Thursday, Jun 06, 2013 at 22:09
I think when you are in the sand, dirt, x cty and 4wdg the manual is hard to beat. You can look ahead select the correct gear for the job, apply the revs and be comfortable that you have control of the vehicle and situation.
Manual diesel for me!!!
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