Trading up 2WD to 4WD - Petrol or Diesel

Submitted: Monday, Jun 10, 2013 at 09:13
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I am moving up to a Pajero from a Territory RWD (see the following for background on why...http://www.exploroz.com/Forum/Topic/102559/Territory_to_a_real_4WD_for_road_trips_and_the_daily_run___.aspx?p=%2fForum%2fDefault.aspx
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and have got a decent deal but it's a stock 2010 GLX Petrol (85,000km for $35k)...I am wondering if I should try to get a diesel instead based on the following. The same company has a 2008 Patrol 3L Diesel (160,000km for $33k). Both are automatic.

This weekend (my first with a 14ft Caravan) the Territory managed just 17l/100km. On a previous trip with my campertrailer it managed about 9l and on normal school run it does about 12.5l.

Now I am supposed to sign the paperwork tomorrow and am wondering if the Pajero petrol will fair the same? or worse? I have a few long trips planned in 2 weeks (Tablelands-Brisbane via back country (Carnovan Gorge) and Fraser on the way back) and in December/Jan down to Adelaide-Melbourne maybe via Alice Springs).

A few questions...

1. Does the extra fuel cost (in petrol vs diesel) make it self up is lower service and parts cost?
2. Is it worth considering an LPG conversion on the Petrol?
3. How much of a problem is access to Petrol in the outback -I've seen postings about issues but they were in 2009.

Thanks all in advance :-)
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Reply By: garrycol - Monday, Jun 10, 2013 at 09:43

Monday, Jun 10, 2013 at 09:43
I think that initially you will be over the moon with your petrol purchase but as you start to travel around this wide brown land of ours - particularly towing you will start to wonder why you did not get a diesel - particularly when you are realise you can go further on a tank and get better fuel consumption.

Given your travel intentions I would be looking at a diesel if one is in the price range. However I would only be looking at a CRD 3.0l Patrol - you might be OK with an earlier model but maybe not.

To your questions - my views are:
In reality service costs will be similar diesel to petrol. But a diesel vehicle is generally a little more to buy but offset a little in running costs - however the real advantage in a diesel is the additional range and less planning required for fuel.

LPG conversion is worthwhile though LPG availability is restricted out back. So when you take the cost into account then I would have got a diesel. A petrol with LPG (dual fuel) vehicle already fitted when purchased might be worth considering - longer range using petrol and LPG and cheaper use when running on LPG between fills. However be aware that LPG is often far more expensive in remote areas (or non existent) even maybe as expensive as diesel or petrol.

I have not had an issue getting petrol.

I think that with time you will wish you had bought a diesel.

I hope this helps

Garry
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Follow Up By: George C - Monday, Jun 10, 2013 at 09:54

Monday, Jun 10, 2013 at 09:54
Thanks...I am beginning to agree. The Patrol they have is

Model: PATROL
Series: ST
Variant: GU 6 MY08
Price: $32,990
Year: 2008
Odometer: 158975
Body: WAGON
Colour: POLAR WHITE
Engine: 3 litre DIRECT INJECTION
Transmission: AUTOMATIC

Above has tow bar and bull bar. It has almost double the km though and is 2 years older.

Whereas the Pajero is 2k more and is stock (no extras)

Make: MITSUBISHI
Model: PAJERO
Series: GLX
Variant: NT MY10
Price: $35,888
Year: 2010
Odometer: 82484
Body: WAGON
Colour: WHITE
Engine: 3.8 litre MULTI-POINT INJECTION
Transmission: SPORTS AUTOMATIC
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Follow Up By: garrycol - Monday, Jun 10, 2013 at 13:54

Monday, Jun 10, 2013 at 13:54
Is that a CRD Patrol?? If not I would probably stay away - I know they had issues years before but I am not sure on that late a model - I am sure a Patrol person more knowledge than me will advise if a late model non CRD 3 litre still has issues.

garry
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Follow Up By: Bazooka - Monday, Jun 10, 2013 at 19:05

Monday, Jun 10, 2013 at 19:05
I guess it depends on where you go but diesel engine oil, filters, injector servicing and eventual replacement (~100,000km) are considerably more than petrol engine equivalents.

It's always a compromise - better torque, fuel consumption/range, "driveability" when towing and possibly longevity V higher upfront and servicing costs, and around town fuel costs (if in petrol discount areas).
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Reply By: NTVRX - Monday, Jun 10, 2013 at 10:12

Monday, Jun 10, 2013 at 10:12
I would seriously consider a diesel Pajero there are numerous models around. I have had an NP 2003 auto & now a CRD NT auto....both diesels. Just for your info the patrol can only tow 2.5tonne in auto diesel & IMHO GUTLESS..also my two cents worth...I have had dual fuel cars & gas belongs in BBQ's!!! Have a drive of the diesel auto Pajero & then a drive of a 3 ltr Patrol....the patrol is 118KW whilst the Pajero is 147KW.....big difference. Robert
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Reply By: Hairy (NT) - Monday, Jun 10, 2013 at 12:33

Monday, Jun 10, 2013 at 12:33
Gday,
I would be doing some serious research before considering a 3.0l Patrol!
I think the motors were sorted by 2008 but do yourself a favour and do some research first.
Try a search on here for "grenade" and you will get the idea.

Cheers
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Reply By: Member - Leanne W (NSW) - Monday, Jun 10, 2013 at 15:34

Monday, Jun 10, 2013 at 15:34
Hi George,
I have a 2008 NS Pajero (automatic diesel) that I have been happy with. As far as servicing costs for this goes, the oil has to be a particular low ash oil, and is very expensive. If I can find a recent service receipt, I will tell you exactly what it costs.
Having said that though, my next car will also be a diesel because I do a fair bit of towing.
Personally I wouldn't entertain the idea of a gas conversion on a petrol, but you should ask the advice of a good mechanic.
As far as availability of petrol in the outback, well that probably largely depends on how 'outback' you intend going. If you are going to be staying on the blacktop, then there won't be a problem.
Have you checked out the red book to check the vehicle prices you have been quoted are a good buy? The reason why I ask is because just last week I got a trade in figure for my Pajero, which has done 95,000kms and has a bullbar, tow bar, UHF, cargo barrier, driving lights, rear diff lock, electric brake controller plus other extras and I was only going to get $23k. I have decided to hang onto it, so we will trade hubbies HSV senator instead.
Good luck.
Leanne
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Follow Up By: George C - Monday, Jun 10, 2013 at 18:58

Monday, Jun 10, 2013 at 18:58
Thanks...the dealers make a killing on the trade ins. I was being offered around 20k for my 2011 Territory but then finally found this dealer who is offering 28k which is about 3k less than the current dealer sticker price of the car.

Unfortunately all they have is the Petrol 2010 Pajero and at this stage it's a question of either walking away from the deal where they have got me the finance amount I required (after much haggling) just because it's not a petrol and keeping the Territory for now and haggling for a diesel somewhere outside of FNQ (where I've spoken to most dealers)...

Was so happy about getting into a Pajero (it's what I learned to drive in about 20 years ago!)...but still want to get the one that fits best...
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Follow Up By: George C - Tuesday, Jun 11, 2013 at 08:06

Tuesday, Jun 11, 2013 at 08:06
BTW/ Leanne, would you be interested in a partial swap of your Pajero for my 2011 Territory RWD...see http://www.gumtree.com.au/m-my-ad.html?adId=1019434525 for details
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Follow Up By: Member - Leanne W (NSW) - Tuesday, Jun 11, 2013 at 08:41

Tuesday, Jun 11, 2013 at 08:41
Sorry, no.... I need a car able to tow a horsefloat with up to two big (16 & 17hh) horses.
But good luck with your choice.
I also forgot to mention that I had a 1999 NL petrol Pajero before my diesel one. When towing, it was quite thirsty. I can't remember the exact figures, but if you are going to be doing a lot of towing, I would get a diesel.
Leanne
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Follow Up By: Keir & Marg - Tuesday, Jun 11, 2013 at 20:00

Tuesday, Jun 11, 2013 at 20:00
Leanne,
We've just fitted our NS diesel with a DPF delete pipe, which gets rid of the diesel particulate filter. Cost about $350 fitted, but now we don't need the very expensive low ash oil, so it will pay for itself in 3 services.
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Follow Up By: Member - Leanne W (NSW) - Tuesday, Jun 11, 2013 at 20:36

Tuesday, Jun 11, 2013 at 20:36
Great! Where can I get one from?
Thanks
Leanne
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Follow Up By: Keir & Marg - Wednesday, Jun 12, 2013 at 07:18

Wednesday, Jun 12, 2013 at 07:18
These guys do a DPF delete pipe which you can fit yourself or get the local service centre to do:
Robert



Chip Tuning

Diesel Performance Solutions:

26B Hilly Street

MORTLAKE NSW 2137

Office: 02 8090 1881

Fax: 02 8765 8255

Cheers, Keir
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Follow Up By: Keir & Marg - Wednesday, Jun 12, 2013 at 07:19

Wednesday, Jun 12, 2013 at 07:19
Robert is the guy at Chip Tuning, google for "Chipit"
Keir
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Reply By: 08crd - Monday, Jun 10, 2013 at 21:12

Monday, Jun 10, 2013 at 21:12
I think, unless you want to do a lot of serious offroad, go for the Pajero. Cheaper on fuel, easier to manouver in the car park and just a better all round propersition
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Follow Up By: George C - Monday, Jun 10, 2013 at 21:21

Monday, Jun 10, 2013 at 21:21
Thanks...exactly why I was looking at the Pajero. It's just the petrol Vs diesel issue that came to mind over the last few days. I'm just trying to get a handle on how much of a real issue it is and if it's worth not getting this vehicle and continuing to look for a diesel...
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Follow Up By: 08crd - Monday, Jun 10, 2013 at 22:59

Monday, Jun 10, 2013 at 22:59
The 3.2L diesel is a proven performer, a bit agricultural, but honest reliable and frugal on fuel. There is no way I would chose the v6 petrol over the diesel.
Only my opinion, but I think the Pajero is one of the best diesels around, and I don't own one.lol
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Follow Up By: Axle - Tuesday, Jun 11, 2013 at 10:28

Tuesday, Jun 11, 2013 at 10:28
The V6 Paj, is a shocker on fuel, A V8 petrol landcruiser is a lot better proposition, and has a lot better towing capacity,more room, more power, and not much different in price if any.


Cheers Axle.
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Follow Up By: George C - Tuesday, Jun 11, 2013 at 18:17

Tuesday, Jun 11, 2013 at 18:17
How does the following sound for $30k?

Pajero 2008 model GLX, 3.2 litre DiD common rail turbo diesel with 5 speed auto & 7 seats. Car has travelled just under 122,000km and is a one-owner. Few basic extras but no heavy off-roading.

Best,
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Follow Up By: Member - Leanne W (NSW) - Tuesday, Jun 11, 2013 at 18:29

Tuesday, Jun 11, 2013 at 18:29
Hi George,
The red book's private price guide for that model is $26,000 - 29,100.
Leanne
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Follow Up By: George C - Tuesday, Jun 11, 2013 at 19:02

Tuesday, Jun 11, 2013 at 19:02
Thanks...so 30k from a dealer is reasonable then. I've found it really difficult to get trade in values or private sale values close to what Redbook states. For example with the Territory they had it as 27-30k a few weeks back but some traders were offering 21k. The current price on the lot for the car though is 29k to 33k in Cairns.
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Follow Up By: Member - Leanne W (NSW) - Tuesday, Jun 11, 2013 at 19:09

Tuesday, Jun 11, 2013 at 19:09
Make sure you check its service history, in particular that it has had its 100k service and timing belt replaced (expensive). It should also have had a service at 90k. They are both big services, but with different things done - Mitsubishi split them so there isn't one huge bill....or so I was told.
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