Help with frog identification - Kennedy Range WA

Should have said this one looks like a burrowing frog (as opposed to a tree frog with suction pads on their feet. Burrowing frogs have pointed toes and tiny claws as this guy appears to have, and helps with categorizing for identification..
Cheers, Bob

i agree neaobatrachus

Im at work but when i get back ill look it up in the wa museaum book frogs of wa

I have had a couple of emails, one from the Amphibian Research Centre telling me it is one of the neobatrachus so it seems you are correct, and another from the Fauna department of WA DEC technical staff who think it is a tawny trilling frog (Neobatrachu fulvus). They sent me some links which I am yet to have a look at as we have been out at Mt Augustus and only arrived in Exmouth today where we have internet signal for the first time in almost a week.
Thanks for your information..

regards,

Heather

Hello

I did consider Neobatrachus fulvus as an option but this species is characterised by "skin and body extends across to knee so that the groin is indistinct" (Tyler & Doughty 2009). Your photos do not illustrate this, as far as I can see (you can see the frog's knee for starters),..but I'm just going off photos in the book and yours..they look different.

I have seen a N. sutor....never seen a N. fulvis. so no 'expert" but never any doubt it was a Neobatrachus.

Cheers
Greg

Hi

Hopefully you can get a second opinion from the DEC, though if they call it something other than Neobatrachus sutor (Shoemaker Frog) I will be surprised. Having said that I have been known to get some IDS wrong. Some species are very similar in external appearance and many are best identified from their calls which makes it a bit hard when you catch one as they tend to remain pretty quiet :)

Cheers
Greg

Thanks Greg,
I have joined the frogs.org.au community so maybe someone on there will help me.
I will also have a look at both the websites you mentioned when I get time.
regards,
Heather

..More likely a bad batch of Tawny Port I would say :)

Cheers
Greg

Thanks Phil.
However I was thinking the same Greg, or maybe food poisoning from food not kept at the safe temperature.
In my drinking days I had more than one episode of poisoning from (drinking copious quantities of) contents!
I would think that the frog would be in more danger from being handled by humans which is why I didn't pick up the one we saw!
cheers,
Heather

Hi Greg and Heather

I wasn't induced by alcohol or food, we all ate the same and drinking was just social.

When he carted him to Carnarvon Hosp he provided a urine sample which was almost black - this had us panicking about possible kidney failure and RFDS flights.

They checked - no blood was present and suggested he had an amoebic reaction.

We were then allowed to drive him home, he was so ill he didn't have the concentration to drive. After a few days the symptoms past and he started to recover.

cheers



If it wasn't the frog/toadlet then what caused such a reaction? I've never seen someone so ill so quickly.

One other thing I recall about the frog/toadlet was it didn't hop it 'crawled' around and it was very small -about a 20 cent piece.

cheers

Wow, that is interesting Phil. I'm glad I didn't touch it then.
The frog we saw was only small too, however it did hop because my husband saw it jump a few times and in the dark thought it may be a mouse before we put the light on it.
I emailed WA DEC and attached photos so maybe they will get back to me with some information.

cheers,
Heather

Hi Heather,

It would be interesting to see if DEC can ID your frog.

Re my mate - he is travelling at the moment, otherwise I would get more specifics from him.

One thing is sure he was a very sick 'little petunia'.

cheers

We dont have toxic frogs in australia. Certainly nothing with the power to lay someone out just by touching it.
Even cane toad toxin in no where near that powerfull

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