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Just wondering if anyone has decided which is the best 2L casks of red wine. It will be a bit tedious trying them all!
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Reply By: gbc - Friday, Jun 21, 2013 at 18:43

Friday, Jun 21, 2013 at 18:43
Banrock does a fair rendition of a cab merlot if that's your go.

I've also been known to produce a cask of Vok Mojitos in the strangest of places.
Travelling by kayak with nil refrigeration for lots of trips has given me somewhat of a degree in chateau cardboard delights.
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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Friday, Jun 21, 2013 at 19:08

Friday, Jun 21, 2013 at 19:08
I was "forced" to take cask wine to the Bathurst V8 Supercars race last year as the camping rules stated "no glass of any kind allowed". Wishing to comply to the rules and not upset anybody, I was dumbfounded to find we were in the minority at the main camping area with the majority of folk taking their favorite bottles of red or white with them.

Notwithstanding, I sampled a couple of cask wines prior to the trip and determined that De Bortoli 2l cask red was OK, as was Hardy's red in the 3l cask.
That is what we took and that is what we drank.

As for the Quality? - Well, nothing beats the consumption of wine out of a glass bottle and sipped from a glass container, even in the cheaper bottles of red.

The one potential problem with cast wine is the addition of sulphur as a preservative and this can have an impact on the end result if enough is consumed.

I would generally not choose to take cask red on a camping trip as I find it no bother to put the empty bottles back in the carton, until they can be disposed of appropriately.

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Follow Up By: Judes - Friday, Jun 21, 2013 at 19:53

Friday, Jun 21, 2013 at 19:53
Normally we take well protected bottles, but this time it is 6 weeks across Gary Junction Rd and then various Beadell roads so corrugations will be an issue. Can return to bottles once we hit the black top, but then the choice may be limited if we are buying on the road! We'll just have to drink less if the preservatives are a problem. I won't mind but he might!!
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Friday, Jun 21, 2013 at 21:27

Friday, Jun 21, 2013 at 21:27
Judes,
I've carried a lot of wine on Beadells roads....and the casks often leak with the corrugations. My preference these days in to take bottled wine and each bottle is protected by a 1L milk carton - they pack nice and tight into the original cardboard box.
Take a couple of bottles of McWilliams muscat - weighs less and gives you a lot more enjoyment per kg.
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Follow Up By: Nomadic Navara - Sunday, Jun 23, 2013 at 00:44

Sunday, Jun 23, 2013 at 00:44
Quote "The one potential problem with cast wine is the addition of sulphur as a preservative and this can have an impact on the end result if enough is consumed."

So what is the difference between the the sulphur dioxide in bottled and cask wine? I picked several bottles out of my cellar and they all had "preservative 220" on them.

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Follow Up By: Sand Man (SA) - Sunday, Jun 23, 2013 at 09:40

Sunday, Jun 23, 2013 at 09:40
Peter,

I'll answer in the same tone as your followup.

Quote "So what is the difference between the the sulphur dioxide in bottled and cask wine? I picked several bottles out of my cellar and they all had "preservative 220" on them."

Simply the quantity.
My knowledge is however pure hearsay from the manager of a Dan Murphy's store when I was purchasing the cask wine.

Most of the cheaper cask wine has higher levels of sulphur than some "premium" cask wine and most bottled wine according to him.
The result is the sometimes felt headache which can be from the sulphur in the wine, rather than the amount of alcohol consumed.


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Follow Up By: Member - Peter E1 (VIC) - Sunday, Jun 23, 2013 at 12:38

Sunday, Jun 23, 2013 at 12:38
De Bortoli Cab/merlot for us every time.
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Follow Up By: Nomadic Navara - Sunday, Jun 23, 2013 at 23:29

Sunday, Jun 23, 2013 at 23:29
Here is a bit from the Readers Digest Food & Recipes section

"One and a half tablespoons in every 1,300 bottles of wine
In winemaking, addition of preservatives can take place at several stages, from when the grapes have just been picked right through to bottling of the wine. Because the substances are used in such tiny quantities, they are measured in parts per million (ppm). Here in Australia, addition is allowed to the maximum level of 250 ppm for dry wines, up to 300 ppm for sweet wines. This is still a miniscule amount, equivalent to just one-and-a-half tablespoons per 1,300 bottles of wine. By comparison, sulphur dioxide is often used more liberally in preserved fruit such as dried apricots, which are allowed up to 3,000 ppm.

"An interesting test of someone’s perceived intolerance to sulphur dioxide in wine is to ask whether they get the same symptoms from eating dried apricots. If the answer is no, it’s a fair indication that their allergy could be caused by something other than sulphites."
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Reply By: Member - Coldee - Friday, Jun 21, 2013 at 19:33

Friday, Jun 21, 2013 at 19:33
Banrock Station is better than your average Chateau Plastic fare
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Follow Up By: escapesilv - Saturday, Jun 22, 2013 at 14:36

Saturday, Jun 22, 2013 at 14:36
Yes Banrock in my opinion is the best of the 2Lt wines.

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Reply By: Barbera72 - Friday, Jun 21, 2013 at 19:43

Friday, Jun 21, 2013 at 19:43
If you pay close attention to labels you'll find out vast majority of them are not even wine. The "wine" word doesn't even show on the cask. Some of the most popular wine drinks in casks are made of fermented fish products and not grape. Sorry if this probably this is not so relevant with your post.
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Friday, Jun 21, 2013 at 20:11

Friday, Jun 21, 2013 at 20:11
Can you name one of these "fermented fish wines"?

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Follow Up By: Barbera72 - Friday, Jun 21, 2013 at 20:27

Friday, Jun 21, 2013 at 20:27
Sure. I'll get some informations as soon as possible and post here all details for you (BTW they are not "fermented fish wine" but drinks made from fermented fish products). Cask wine from different brands is something they use on my workplace for cooking, therefore my attention of labels since my job includes the making of nutritional panels and details of ingredients for the construction of recipes. The reason the word "wine" doesn't show on some casks is because the liquid was not made from grape. They use only words like "dry white" for example that could make you think you are buying a wine.
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Follow Up By: Bazooka - Friday, Jun 21, 2013 at 20:59

Friday, Jun 21, 2013 at 20:59
Lol. The revelation of the century about to unfold. Your dry white is actually dry whiting and dry red is dry redfin. Probably talking about the process of "fining" which may use fish products.
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Follow Up By: Barbera72 - Friday, Jun 21, 2013 at 21:38

Friday, Jun 21, 2013 at 21:38
Yes a well fish products such fish eggs and bladders are used for fining. Hilarious eh?
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Follow Up By: Bazooka - Friday, Jun 21, 2013 at 23:24

Friday, Jun 21, 2013 at 23:24
Not at all, but the idea that "some of the most popular wine drinks in casks are made of fermented fish products and not grape" certainly is. That will come as a huge surprise for the winemakers no doubt. All this time they thought those little oval green and red things they grow on vines were grapes - turns out they were fish. Anyway time to go and drop a line in, I'm dying for a feed of grapes.
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Follow Up By: Barbera72 - Saturday, Jun 22, 2013 at 09:12

Saturday, Jun 22, 2013 at 09:12
OK that was a bit of an exaggerated post from me. Still, the word "wine" does not appear anywhere on the box and the ingredients are a list of chemicals and fish/egg products. You know witch cask I'm talking about.
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Follow Up By: landseka - Saturday, Jun 22, 2013 at 10:36

Saturday, Jun 22, 2013 at 10:36
Oh don't tell me now that you were wrong...I thought I had found a new source of my Omega Oils daily intake.
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Follow Up By: headbolt - Saturday, Jun 22, 2013 at 11:04

Saturday, Jun 22, 2013 at 11:04
Barbera72 if I bring my own glass and bait can we go wine fishing
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Follow Up By: Lyn W3 - Saturday, Jun 22, 2013 at 15:45

Saturday, Jun 22, 2013 at 15:45
Sounds like a pretty fishy story to me.

I'll have some 64 Tawny Barra Port please
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Reply By: Member - Rowdy6032 (WA) - Friday, Jun 21, 2013 at 20:26

Friday, Jun 21, 2013 at 20:26
Hi

Yalumba Premium Merlot 2L about $12.99.
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Follow Up By: Member - wicket - Saturday, Jun 22, 2013 at 10:31

Saturday, Jun 22, 2013 at 10:31
Agree Yalumba (any variety) is reasonably good, better than Banrock.
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Follow Up By: cookie1 - Saturday, Jun 22, 2013 at 14:08

Saturday, Jun 22, 2013 at 14:08
We did an exhaustive plain cask tasting and the wine that came out in front for us was the Yalumba. We took 12 casks of the Shiraz and a few of Cab Sav on the Canning Stock Route

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Follow Up By: member - mazcan - Saturday, Jun 22, 2013 at 15:02

Saturday, Jun 22, 2013 at 15:02
hi cookie 1
how many liters per 100km's did you achieve
no wonder some people who drive the csr come back and say the track was quiet good
they're that ruddy faced and parabolic they don't even notice the horregations and i'm surprised they don't fall down a well or 2
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Member, SunCoast) - Saturday, Jun 22, 2013 at 17:16

Saturday, Jun 22, 2013 at 17:16
12 casks on one trip???
Lucky you didn't get caught for grog running!
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Follow Up By: cookie1 - Saturday, Jun 22, 2013 at 17:35

Saturday, Jun 22, 2013 at 17:35
There were 3 of us and indeed 2 casks made it back to Adelaide all safe & sound. There was in fact a member of the constabulary with us, provided you are not selling or offering to anyone else then you are quite fine.

We typically have a few wines each noght between three of us so it isn't actually that bad when you break it down - they are only small 2L (I think) casks (not 4L).

We had intended to take more time on the Canning but it was a walk in the park for us so we deviated to do the Red Centre on the way home as well as a couple of other detours so were using about 1 cask every 2 days.

Given we travelled 9000km, had 18L bottled wine + 24L cask = 42L
so we had .0046666666 L per 100km - I think that is quite moderate myself :-)

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Follow Up By: cookie1 - Saturday, Jun 22, 2013 at 17:37

Saturday, Jun 22, 2013 at 17:37
Oh for an edit button - should read .46L per 100KM or just under 2 glasses a day
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Member, SunCoast) - Saturday, Jun 22, 2013 at 17:51

Saturday, Jun 22, 2013 at 17:51
I'm sure you found it a "walk in the park"..... hardly even noticed it at all.
Sorry Cookie, just having a loan of you.
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Follow Up By: cookie1 - Saturday, Jun 22, 2013 at 17:58

Saturday, Jun 22, 2013 at 17:58
2 easy Allan always appreciate a good laugh - that should be what lifes about.

Us and the other boys we were travelling with were in V8 cruisers and to be honest both of us were expecting it to be a lot more difficult. I think the track gods were looking over us apart from some corrugations either side of Kunawarritja, and proper preparation - tyre pressures & 4wd High

We both enjkoyed our time though don't get me wrong

Have fun :-)
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Reply By: Member - silkwood - Friday, Jun 21, 2013 at 21:53

Friday, Jun 21, 2013 at 21:53
I have been taking good quality wine on trips (mainly long distance bushwalks) for years. First, purchase a couple of general cask wines (Banrocks are drinkable, more so around the campfire or after a long walk) and either drink, give away or pour out the wine. Remove cap and wash thoroughly in filtered water. Leave to dry.

Now open a good bottle of your desired plonk. Pour into bladder, cap and open the valve to express ALL the air (okay, maybe pour yourself a small drink). Without air exposure your wine will last easily for a couple of weeks. Never sit atop of a beautiful peak or beside a great trout stream drinking bad wine.

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Follow Up By: Nifty1 - Friday, Jun 21, 2013 at 22:04

Friday, Jun 21, 2013 at 22:04
Now that is pure class. Both the advice, and the way it is expressed.
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Follow Up By: pop2jocem - Saturday, Jun 22, 2013 at 10:27

Saturday, Jun 22, 2013 at 10:27
Actually I have found, after a few years of diligent scientific experimentation, that regardless of the quality of the wine, whether bottle, flagon, cask or whatever the good stuff is in the last half of the container. All the drinker has to do is get through the top half and the flavour improves proportional to the reducing level...hic...(;-)))

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Reply By: Phil B (WA) - Saturday, Jun 22, 2013 at 10:51

Saturday, Jun 22, 2013 at 10:51
Hi everyone,

A bit of the topic of which cask is best and it might be sacrilegious, but I not longer take wine out bush in glass or in casks. After having problems with leaking casks (even more sacrilegious) or storing the glass bottles for later disposal when when empty, I no longer take either bush.

At home I transfer it all into coke/pepsi 600 ml or 1.25 litre plastic bottles and I've never lost a drop since.

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Follow Up By: Axle - Saturday, Jun 22, 2013 at 12:43

Saturday, Jun 22, 2013 at 12:43
Fil,...Tis wot my missus musta ..done,...urp!....fort iwas drinkin bluddy coke!!.


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Follow Up By: Phil B (WA) - Saturday, Jun 22, 2013 at 16:33

Saturday, Jun 22, 2013 at 16:33
Sounds like you must have enjoyed being tricked -lol.

I've sat around the campfire many times sipping away with people thinking I was drinking coke.
Watch what your doing though because if you carry port and muscat as well you need to mark the bottle caps say P for poison err port, M for Muscat and G for grog/plonk.

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Reply By: Jeremy W - Saturday, Jun 22, 2013 at 19:35

Saturday, Jun 22, 2013 at 19:35
I know that this is slightly off topic ( not cask wine) but take a bottle of this :

http://www.hartzbarnwines.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2006-Barossa-Black-Bead-Sparkling-Red-Lagrein.pdf

To celebrate something special on the road ... An absolutely top quality drop.

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Reply By: Echucan Bob - Sunday, Jun 23, 2013 at 14:44

Sunday, Jun 23, 2013 at 14:44
Unless someone has suddenly put decent wine in a cask I think it is better to go without, or have a single malt perhaps.
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Reply By: Dr Hook - Sunday, Jun 23, 2013 at 15:21

Sunday, Jun 23, 2013 at 15:21
Judes: Life is to short for a bad glass of wine! buy good wine (no excuse not to in Australia) and repack it (in 1-litre milk cartons) back into the original carton.
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