Looks are in the eye of the beholder i know!

Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder!

Axel could not agree more and yes the 200 series is lacking behind the Nissan in a lot of areas namely refinement.

If only the Nissan came out with a (decent) diesel then it would be a real threat.

They could of done more with the 200 but then it would of started trading on Lexus's toes I suppose.

I reckon Nissan could make a real killing in the 4X4 market now by putting a decent diesel in the current vehicle and keeping it at a reasonable price. Run it side by side with the new model.

Proper 4WD!

Axle,
their design team modelled them on a pregnant cane toad. Excellent job they did I think.

I was all set to buy a new patrol, till I saw the fuel economy.

No way.
Bought a prado instead.
Cheaper with better fuel economy and turbo diesel.

Sorry nissan, not till I see a 4.5 tdi.

I can't see why Nissan can't user a 3rd party diesel engine manufacturer such as Cummins. Their 6.7 litre twin turbo diesel as used in the Dodge Ram would suffice.

"Starting in 2007, a single 6.7 liter Cummins diesel was available, producing 350 hp.
As of 2009, the 6.7 liter Cummins diesel used in Dodge pickups with standard exhaust brake capability had 350 hp and 650 lb-ft of torque with best-in-class low-end torque; it had a 5/100 limited engine warranty and was the cleanest engine in the Heavy Duty segment. A six-speed automatic with two overdrive gears had better launches and gas mileage, and let drivers manually choose gears. Remote start became available. Payload was up to 5,130 lb, with 16,850 lb of towing capacity."

Here is a link about the engine:
http://www.dieselpowermag.com/tech/dodge/1002dp_6_7l_cummins_diesel_engine/viewall.html

Surely the Nissan dealer network gives feedback to headoffice...Australians want the optioon of a big turbo diesel in the new Patrol!

Both Nissan and Toyota should be offering a 3.0 L six cylinder turbo diesel option. The 4.5 L diesel is just too big and heavy for most people's needs. The 3 L diesel seems to be the sweet spot for diesels with many pulling around 600 Nm of torque. If Audi BMW Mercedes Porsche and Land Rover can do it - why can't the Japs? A 200 or 76 series with a high tech 3L donk would be a very attractive car. The V8 puts me off completely.

Bob

Hi Axle, Give me my old Paj anyday over either of them! I rekn they both look like tug boats! It's the trouble with all newer cars, no character. Just my two bobs!

What concerns me is companies building cars that use too much fuel. Forget about things like cost of ownership. With fuel supplies definately decreasing, and they will run out, we can prolong the inevitable by using cars that have the same power and torque, longer service cycles yet use half the fuel. Surely Nissan can build a car that ticks those boxes? People should also think of these issues when they decide to service their cars every 5k instead of 10k. It means they are plowing through oil reserves at twice the rate. There is no doubt that reliability suffers when you pump more power out of a smaller motor, but there are long term benefits to the community as a whole that would make it worthwhile. It would also help the image of the 4wd community. Driving big gas guzzlers is no longer being thought of as acceptible behaviour especially when there are viable alternatives.

You’d buy a 4WD because it looks pretty?
I go the other way mate - performance before beauty any day.
Now for women that’s another story – a bit of a toss-up I suppose.

Nothing beautiful about this.

Cheers Dave

I'd be happier with a biggish diesel thanks.

Kind regards

The one dealer for Alice Springs gives Toyota and Nissan a bad name.....and he does Holden too.....

Parts are super expensive, service is pretty poor..guys booking their cars in to get work down only to find parts were not available and have to be flown in after the car has sat at the dealer for the day....you'd think the peckerheads would organsie the parts BEFORE the job (take a deposit for the parts who cares)

Must say the bush is Toyota territory, the D4D V8 is the benchmark....

Pete

Hmmm, think I might stick with my old 75 series with the 1HD-FT engine. Or maybe I should buy one of them ex army Landrovers with the 3.9 lt Isuzu donk.
On second thought maybe I should get maybe 3. 2 for spares (;=))

Cheers
Pop

The new patrol has grown on me and yes I believe it crushes the 200 in all ways but of course the lack of a diesel option.
honestly the 200 is awful in looks, totally out of date....and those stupid pansy looking taillights.....anyway the 200 is NOT the best far ! from it. totally over rated and honestly why does one need a V8 ??????? simply put its NOT practical.
With the prices on these mammoths they are only available for the more money than brains gang, those who insist on putting themselves onto financial disaster to get one or the one eyed sheep who insist on paying totally unrealistic over inflated prices on used vehicles.
Its only because the Toyota cost so much initially that the resale appears so high. Honestly why would any one with a brain pay $50k plus for a used 4wd with over 100000kms on it ???????common sense certainly doesn't prevail.....
anyhow.....
There are plenty of other makes and models of 4wd that have just as good or better ability. simple as that.
i have owned Toyotas and will never....NEVER again. The brand is tarnished by ignoramous dealers....Typical drop kick attitude. Service is definitely NOT premium,
just as big sheisters as most dealers I have dealt with.
I worked for a Japanese components suppliers for holdens and truly they are a nasty, ignorant, unlikable, arrogant people. They are also dodgy corrupt as they come and certainly DO NOT echo their high quality, technological status.
Just because a someone might be number one in sales, DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE THE BEST IN QUALITY.
I just get so frustrated when people so called swear and plug a brand to try and justify their reason for blowing so much cash on that product.

I may be wrong here.

We use a roof top tent that extends over the rear of the car a couple of meters when open. The area behind the car is then enclosed with an annex. Giving us a good private enclosure that uses the rear lower tailgate as a kitchen bench and table in bad and windy weather.

This system than we like does not work on a 200 series as the wind deflector on the top part of the rear door stops it from being fully opened when the tent is folded out over it. We need the rear door open when the annex on our roof top tent is set up.

From what I have seen of the new Patrol, and I don't dislike the plasticy look, the same problem would exists with it. But like I said up front I may be wrong because I have not seen a side on photo of the car with the door open. It doesn't look like the old barn doors and that makes me think that it would be a problem to us as is the Toyota 200 series.

The beauty is in the eye of the beholder otherwise we would all be driving the same car for the same job.

Some even like Alpha Romeos!! Well I had to pick something other than the popular cars talked about in this thread. Okay??

Phil