Looks are in the eye of the beholder i know!

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But I reckon that new Patrol is one beautifull machine!, ..Makes the 200s Toyo look a bit average in my opinion.

Cheers Axle.
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Reply By: Member - Rob D (NSW) - Friday, Jul 12, 2013 at 17:21

Friday, Jul 12, 2013 at 17:21
Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder!

If you relax at a faster pace you can get more relaxation in for a given time.
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Reply By: olcoolone - Friday, Jul 12, 2013 at 17:29

Friday, Jul 12, 2013 at 17:29
Axel could not agree more and yes the 200 series is lacking behind the Nissan in a lot of areas namely refinement.

If only the Nissan came out with a (decent) diesel then it would be a real threat.

They could of done more with the 200 but then it would of started trading on Lexus's toes I suppose.
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Follow Up By: Axle - Friday, Jul 12, 2013 at 17:42

Friday, Jul 12, 2013 at 17:42
G/Day Mate,

The motor options are their let down at the moment,..But Man! that V8 Pedo runs like a swiss watch

Cheers Axle.


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Follow Up By: AlbyNSW - Friday, Jul 12, 2013 at 18:11

Friday, Jul 12, 2013 at 18:11
Plus Toyota have not had to do more due to a lack of competition and nothing has changed with Nissan's lack of a diesel option
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Follow Up By: olcoolone - Friday, Jul 12, 2013 at 18:38

Friday, Jul 12, 2013 at 18:38
Toyota are behind the eight ball with the competition from Audi, BMW, Jeep, Landrover, Range Rover and now Nissan...... even the Asians are knocking on their door.

It's part to do with Toyota's and the Japaneses arrogance.
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Follow Up By: AlbyNSW - Friday, Jul 12, 2013 at 18:56

Friday, Jul 12, 2013 at 18:56
Yes agree for metro vehicles, I was more referring to outback touring and Nomad tug type vehicle which I still think they have little competition but yes the Euro stuff is all over them tech wise
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Follow Up By: DiscoTourer - Friday, Jul 12, 2013 at 22:06

Friday, Jul 12, 2013 at 22:06
Olcoolone is spot on. Toyotas arrogance to their faithful followers is disgraceful.

It was only a few years ago when Mr. Toyoda (spelt correctly) was asked the question who they benchmarked themselves to....."ourselves" was his reply. Arrogance in its purest form. They should use the Europeans and in particular the Germans as their benchmark. They are fast becoming dinosaurs....which will be a shame.

If it ain't broke....break it. You need to move forward and not sideways.

Brett...
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Follow Up By: Off-track - Friday, Jul 12, 2013 at 23:03

Friday, Jul 12, 2013 at 23:03
Well I guess if you are the number one global auto manufacturer you probably wont want to benchmark the second place holder unless you want that title.

They are number one for a reason because more or less they supply what the majority want. The stronger other manufacturers get then they will or at least should adjust what they offer. Personally I would like to see them offer more optional extras as standard like a lot of the other manufacturers but I guess there's nothing in it for them until their slice of the market is threatened. Maybe soon it will.
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Follow Up By: garrycol - Friday, Jul 12, 2013 at 23:47

Friday, Jul 12, 2013 at 23:47
Sorry mate - Toyota is not number 1 - number 3 behind GM and VW.
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Follow Up By: AlbyNSW - Saturday, Jul 13, 2013 at 06:21

Saturday, Jul 13, 2013 at 06:21
Discotourer I don't think it is fair to say that Toyotas arrogance to their faithful followers is disgraceful, if the product they are selling is not up to standard you believe it should be, then shouldn't you be saying the Toyota followers are stupid?
If you were Toyota and were happy with the way your business was going why would you change it? I bet companies like Mitsubishi would give there left knacker to be able to have that sort of market presence, they offer massive warranties, more inclusions and heavily discount their product in a bid to get a bit of Toyota action.
Whether Toyota is better or not is irrelevant, if they are achieving their sales and profit targets they are a successful business.
I would like some of the other companies to give them a bit of a rattle so we as consumers get a better choice and value for money.
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Follow Up By: Off-track - Saturday, Jul 13, 2013 at 10:16

Saturday, Jul 13, 2013 at 10:16
might want to check your sources garrycol

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Follow Up By: Off-track - Saturday, Jul 13, 2013 at 10:25

Saturday, Jul 13, 2013 at 10:25
Agree Alby, so even though they may be #1 in volume doesnt necessarily make their vehicles the best. As a business though they clearly are doing things smarter than the rest as they are selling more than the rest so until they are challenged (which they will soon enough) their current business model is a winner.

Hilux is maybe a good example where they probably need to pull their finger out.
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Follow Up By: DiscoTourer - Saturday, Jul 13, 2013 at 11:24

Saturday, Jul 13, 2013 at 11:24
AlbyNSW,

Never said Toyota owners are stupid...best to reread what I said.

I said Toyota was arrogant.

I have owned a 200. After purchasing and being guaranteed the oil consumption had been fixed, the motor was stripped down twice, and still had soot all over my back door after the second guaranteed fix. I had enough and took a big hit with its sale. Toyota expected me to put up with it...that's arrogance.

Brett
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Follow Up By: AlbyNSW - Saturday, Jul 13, 2013 at 13:16

Saturday, Jul 13, 2013 at 13:16
Discotourer I know you did not call Toyota owners stupid but was I was saying is that if Toyota is that far off the mark as you have said then it's buyers must be stupid for buying them ie blame the buyers not the seller. From Toyotas point of view if people are buying the product they are making, be it good or bad then why would they change? It is the sales figures or lack of, that brings about a change in attitude and product.
Sorry to hear of your bad experience with the 200. The Disco has a nice motor in it.

Off- track yes they do have a good business model running at present, much to my frustration as it would be great to see them under a lot more pressure so that we the consumer can benefit from more options.
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Reply By: Notso - Friday, Jul 12, 2013 at 18:26

Friday, Jul 12, 2013 at 18:26
I reckon Nissan could make a real killing in the 4X4 market now by putting a decent diesel in the current vehicle and keeping it at a reasonable price. Run it side by side with the new model.

Proper 4WD!
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Follow Up By: olcoolone - Friday, Jul 12, 2013 at 18:33

Friday, Jul 12, 2013 at 18:33
Don't think that will happen.......Australia is the only market the old series 5 is still made for.
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Follow Up By: disco driver - Friday, Jul 12, 2013 at 18:38

Friday, Jul 12, 2013 at 18:38
Nah, A proper 4WD has no frills.
A Landrover Defender is a PROPER 4WD, open the doors and hose it out and it's clean. It doesn't need any suspension lifts, big exhausts, big wheels etc to be capable of tackling anything in this country.

Disco.
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Follow Up By: Notso - Friday, Jul 12, 2013 at 18:53

Friday, Jul 12, 2013 at 18:53
I didn't notice too many frills on the old Nissan. Mind you, it did have indicator lights and stuff ljke that, does a Defender get those? Of course I'd forgotten that Tata motors in India owns em now so maybe not!:-)
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Follow Up By: Axle - Friday, Jul 12, 2013 at 19:07

Friday, Jul 12, 2013 at 19:07
Notso the new defender coming out has got the mechanical arm, remember them?, Don't have to buy bulbs reliable as the dude driving the truck....:)))).

Axle.
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Follow Up By: Notso - Friday, Jul 12, 2013 at 19:46

Friday, Jul 12, 2013 at 19:46
I loved that ratchet hand throttle on the old military drovers, thats something else we could have back.
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Reply By: Rockape - Friday, Jul 12, 2013 at 19:14

Friday, Jul 12, 2013 at 19:14
Axle,
their design team modelled them on a pregnant cane toad. Excellent job they did I think.


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Follow Up By: Rockape - Friday, Jul 12, 2013 at 19:27

Friday, Jul 12, 2013 at 19:27
P.S. Axle,
my dad bought one of these. What was he thinking.

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Follow Up By: Axle - Friday, Jul 12, 2013 at 19:36

Friday, Jul 12, 2013 at 19:36
HaHaHa, ....Maybe RA!,....But the whole lot of em resemble a cane toad!..lol.

Cheers Axle.
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Reply By: briann532 - Friday, Jul 12, 2013 at 19:36

Friday, Jul 12, 2013 at 19:36
I was all set to buy a new patrol, till I saw the fuel economy.

No way.
Bought a prado instead.
Cheaper with better fuel economy and turbo diesel.

Sorry nissan, not till I see a 4.5 tdi.

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Follow Up By: Axle - Friday, Jul 12, 2013 at 20:05

Friday, Jul 12, 2013 at 20:05
The Patrol needs more than a 4.5l diesel, to compliment its size, maybe a 6.5L..As long as its up to date Tech wise and can get 16-18L /100k

Cheers Axle.
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Follow Up By: Member - Boobook - Tuesday, Jul 16, 2013 at 06:36

Tuesday, Jul 16, 2013 at 06:36
In a caravan mag about a month ago they did a side by side tow test of a 3 ton van.

Patrol 32.4l/100km
200 18l/100km

The decision would be easy if you were towing. At 32l/100km outside main cities $1 will of fuel won't even get you 2 kms in the Patrol.

If you are talking about looks, then that looks like a bloody expensive fuel bill.



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Reply By: Member - Wamuranman - Friday, Jul 12, 2013 at 20:24

Friday, Jul 12, 2013 at 20:24
I can't see why Nissan can't user a 3rd party diesel engine manufacturer such as Cummins. Their 6.7 litre twin turbo diesel as used in the Dodge Ram would suffice.

"Starting in 2007, a single 6.7 liter Cummins diesel was available, producing 350 hp.
As of 2009, the 6.7 liter Cummins diesel used in Dodge pickups with standard exhaust brake capability had 350 hp and 650 lb-ft of torque with best-in-class low-end torque; it had a 5/100 limited engine warranty and was the cleanest engine in the Heavy Duty segment. A six-speed automatic with two overdrive gears had better launches and gas mileage, and let drivers manually choose gears. Remote start became available. Payload was up to 5,130 lb, with 16,850 lb of towing capacity."

Here is a link about the engine:
http://www.dieselpowermag.com/tech/dodge/1002dp_6_7l_cummins_diesel_engine/viewall.html

Surely the Nissan dealer network gives feedback to headoffice...Australians want the optioon of a big turbo diesel in the new Patrol!

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Follow Up By: Axle - Friday, Jul 12, 2013 at 20:36

Friday, Jul 12, 2013 at 20:36
That's my drift as well for this vehicle Wamuranman.


Axle.
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Follow Up By: Member - Wamuranman - Friday, Jul 12, 2013 at 20:58

Friday, Jul 12, 2013 at 20:58
I agree Axle.... what an awesome vehicle it would be with a big diesel. I have been a toyota man almost all my life but would be tempted to go with the new Nissan if it had a big diesel in it. Cummins have a good reputation and would add even more marketing power to their Patrol if they put a 6.7l cummins in it.

There is a growing demand for big tow vehiclesas caravans get bigger and heavier and the retiring baby boomers are more affluent than any previous generation. Sales of Ford F350, Chev Silverado and Dodge Ram are booming by all accounts. There is a company at Brendale that has just built a big factory in Thailand (I think) to convert Dodge Rams to RHD and will be selling them brand new in Australia. Nissan need to shake themselves up and have a good look at what the market in big 4X4 is doing. They might get a surprise.
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Follow Up By: Lyn W3 - Saturday, Jul 13, 2013 at 06:57

Saturday, Jul 13, 2013 at 06:57
Drove through Gympie the other day and noticed that Performax had at least a dozen new trucks available including Chevy, GMC, Toyota Tundra and Dodge. Never seen that many there, wondering if they are doing more or the market has slowed, I would imagine that there is a big price rise coming with the falling Aussie dollar.

New Dodge Ram

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Follow Up By: Member - Wamuranman - Saturday, Jul 13, 2013 at 08:13

Saturday, Jul 13, 2013 at 08:13
I think they always have a lot there Lyn.
In a big shed down the back they have about 80 new ones for conversion.
I went to see them not long ago. I think sales are quite strong as there is a wait to have a conversion done on your own vehicle if you bring it in yourself.
My preference is still the Silverado with the Isuzu V8 TTD and Alison 1000 transmission - an awesome combination.
Just got to get the funds together....LOL.
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Reply By: Echucan Bob - Friday, Jul 12, 2013 at 21:13

Friday, Jul 12, 2013 at 21:13
Both Nissan and Toyota should be offering a 3.0 L six cylinder turbo diesel option. The 4.5 L diesel is just too big and heavy for most people's needs. The 3 L diesel seems to be the sweet spot for diesels with many pulling around 600 Nm of torque. If Audi BMW Mercedes Porsche and Land Rover can do it - why can't the Japs? A 200 or 76 series with a high tech 3L donk would be a very attractive car. The V8 puts me off completely.

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Follow Up By: Member - Captain (WA) - Friday, Jul 12, 2013 at 21:28

Friday, Jul 12, 2013 at 21:28
Been there done that. Had a GU 3.0L TD and guess what, after a Twin Turbo V8 who would want to go back to a GU 3.0TD?

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Follow Up By: Axle - Friday, Jul 12, 2013 at 21:31

Friday, Jul 12, 2013 at 21:31
The Trouble is Bob, You have a 3L screamer that in many models and brands does the job brilliantly, But to tow on a regular basis there is a different slant on things depending on weight etc,etc,. There is still no substitute for cubic ins and low revs for reliability in a engine doing hard work over a period of time INMHO.

Cheers Axle.
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Follow Up By: DiscoTourer - Friday, Jul 12, 2013 at 22:19

Friday, Jul 12, 2013 at 22:19
I have had 3.5 tonne behind my two V6 turbo diesels for more than 50000kms (thats attached). Other times we head away with 2.5 tonnes of offroad trailer. Does not raise a sweat and craps all over my previous 200 series for economy. 16-16-5 litres per 100 with 3.5 tonne....the 200 did not come close. They don't need to rev hard, and they don't feel the weight anymore than my 200 did. Feels no different. The V6 does it just as easy, and if fuel consumption is anything to go by...easier.
Without a trailer attached they perform better than my 200 ever did too.
Modern diesel will get smaller, be more powerful, and significantly more economical....that's the future whether we like it or not.

Brett....
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Follow Up By: Axle - Friday, Jul 12, 2013 at 22:29

Friday, Jul 12, 2013 at 22:29
Fair enough Brett, .....I wonder what brand will win in the end?...Lol.
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Follow Up By: DiscoTourer - Friday, Jul 12, 2013 at 22:38

Friday, Jul 12, 2013 at 22:38
Maybe the Chinese Axle lol
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Follow Up By: Axle - Friday, Jul 12, 2013 at 23:07

Friday, Jul 12, 2013 at 23:07
Oh for sure!!!, Their Winning with everything else in this country!\

Axle.
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Follow Up By: Member - Captain (WA) - Friday, Jul 12, 2013 at 23:23

Friday, Jul 12, 2013 at 23:23
Well there are certainly several contenders when looking for a new 4x4 wagons that can tow a half decent load. Factor in your personal requirements and the choice will be narrowed down - I know I was left with the RR, D4 and 200. Any would have done what I wanted, and the Brits certainly had more bang for buck in the feature department.

But the killer for me was resale and unfortunately thats where the Tojo cleans up. As much as I would have liked to buy a D4 or RR, the history of resale is so stacked in the Tojo corner that it sealed the deal. And it becomes a self-forefilling prophecy that few want to get off the roundabout of proven resale.

I have no doubt that many 4x4's are initally better value for money than a Tojo - the Chinese are a great example. But over "whole of life" ownership, well Toyota have the runs on the board. Would love it to be different, but that would be changing the course of history - maybe in the future.... :)

Cheers

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Follow Up By: AlbyNSW - Saturday, Jul 13, 2013 at 06:33

Saturday, Jul 13, 2013 at 06:33
Captain you have nailed it on the head.
I have owned more Landrover/ Rangerovers than Toyotas and will never say a Toyota is better but will say it is the easiest to get serviced and the cheapest to own with its resale values.
I have been smashed with resale values of the LR products compared to Toyota. Just the same would buy one again
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Follow Up By: pistol - Saturday, Jul 13, 2013 at 09:36

Saturday, Jul 13, 2013 at 09:36
Captain, you are 100% right, once you have had the 200 series nothing comes close to it, as much as people would like to say, but most people who tow caravans like myself need power and 200 has all the good things that go with safe towing and reliability. I think that will raise some blood pressures
Sorry

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Follow Up By: olcoolone - Saturday, Jul 13, 2013 at 10:06

Saturday, Jul 13, 2013 at 10:06
Have to agree, after driving other brands through work and having driven a late model Patrol of a friend; you realise how good the 200 series is.

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Follow Up By: cookie1 - Sunday, Jul 14, 2013 at 08:05

Sunday, Jul 14, 2013 at 08:05
After suffering a financial hit after my clutch went in the new 2009/2010 GU Patrol, I got the 200 GX, well Nissan will never see another dollar of mine until they attend to their poor attitude to servicing us clients.

It always amazes me that they spend huge dollars on marketing to get the business but then once you are there, and I owned 5 Patrols, they treat you with contempt.

just my 2c

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Reply By: Scotts Paj - Saturday, Jul 13, 2013 at 10:49

Saturday, Jul 13, 2013 at 10:49
Hi Axle, Give me my old Paj anyday over either of them! I rekn they both look like tug boats! It's the trouble with all newer cars, no character. Just my two bobs!
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil 'n Jill (WA) - Sunday, Jul 14, 2013 at 11:29

Sunday, Jul 14, 2013 at 11:29
4.2L turbo diesel just slots in nicely thank you very much, great work horse - who cares about what they look like....

Works for me too - cheers, Phil
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Reply By: mikehzz - Saturday, Jul 13, 2013 at 15:09

Saturday, Jul 13, 2013 at 15:09
What concerns me is companies building cars that use too much fuel. Forget about things like cost of ownership. With fuel supplies definately decreasing, and they will run out, we can prolong the inevitable by using cars that have the same power and torque, longer service cycles yet use half the fuel. Surely Nissan can build a car that ticks those boxes? People should also think of these issues when they decide to service their cars every 5k instead of 10k. It means they are plowing through oil reserves at twice the rate. There is no doubt that reliability suffers when you pump more power out of a smaller motor, but there are long term benefits to the community as a whole that would make it worthwhile. It would also help the image of the 4wd community. Driving big gas guzzlers is no longer being thought of as acceptible behaviour especially when there are viable alternatives.
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Follow Up By: olcoolone - Saturday, Jul 13, 2013 at 17:06

Saturday, Jul 13, 2013 at 17:06
If the big supermarkets lowered there profits down and supported more local small businesses we would have lower unemployment and less small business going bust.... I have nothing against the big chains make good profit but they have to also understand the small business people also have to make good profits for the benefit of all Australians now and into the future.

I think the government has to have a real hard look at the monoploy these two big plays control and manipulate to there advantage.

I suppose it is no different the the Rothchilds holding the monopoly with finance back in the early 1900's and before them the Nights Templars.

Maybe it the way of the world and we have to get use to it...... all I can say is thank god these two current day players offer fuel discount vouchers so us who want a gas guzzler can do it economically and the sooner Supercheap becomes part of the Coles or Woolworth family the better, we will be able to buy discount oil aswell.

BTW this post has got as much to do with the new Nissan Y62 as yours did but it makes interesting reading.
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Follow Up By: mikehzz - Saturday, Jul 13, 2013 at 18:32

Saturday, Jul 13, 2013 at 18:32
Maybe it was a bit too hard too understand? Nissan only releasing the new Patrol in a gas guzzling petrol version when other manufacturers can make really economical and powerful diesel cars. I think it's actually environmentally irresponsible of them. If you need anything else explained I'm happy to do it.
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Follow Up By: olcoolone - Saturday, Jul 13, 2013 at 19:49

Saturday, Jul 13, 2013 at 19:49
No it's called running a business properly..... make what the market wants.

The Y62 Patrol was never designed for the Australian market.... it was Nissan Australia who thought it would be good to get.

Overseas there is still a bigger market for upmarket big HP petrol 4x4's then there is for diesels.
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Reply By: Dennis Ellery - Saturday, Jul 13, 2013 at 20:17

Saturday, Jul 13, 2013 at 20:17
You’d buy a 4WD because it looks pretty?
I go the other way mate - performance before beauty any day.
Now for women that’s another story – a bit of a toss-up I suppose.
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Reply By: Dave(NSW) - Sunday, Jul 14, 2013 at 01:45

Sunday, Jul 14, 2013 at 01:45
Nothing beautiful about this.

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Reply By: Member - Beatit (QLD) - Sunday, Jul 14, 2013 at 20:31

Sunday, Jul 14, 2013 at 20:31
I'd be happier with a biggish diesel thanks.

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Reply By: Sandman - Sunday, Jul 14, 2013 at 20:51

Sunday, Jul 14, 2013 at 20:51
The one dealer for Alice Springs gives Toyota and Nissan a bad name.....and he does Holden too.....

Parts are super expensive, service is pretty poor..guys booking their cars in to get work down only to find parts were not available and have to be flown in after the car has sat at the dealer for the day....you'd think the peckerheads would organsie the parts BEFORE the job (take a deposit for the parts who cares)

Must say the bush is Toyota territory, the D4D V8 is the benchmark....

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Follow Up By: KevinE - Monday, Jul 15, 2013 at 08:10

Monday, Jul 15, 2013 at 08:10
That same dealer has a Toyota dealership close to me. We're looking for a 2nd hand late model 4WD wagon as a 2nd vehicle ATM & went in there for a look; their prices were ridiculous when compared to similar vehicles elsewhere.

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Reply By: pop2jocem - Monday, Jul 15, 2013 at 20:34

Monday, Jul 15, 2013 at 20:34
Hmmm, think I might stick with my old 75 series with the 1HD-FT engine. Or maybe I should buy one of them ex army Landrovers with the 3.9 lt Isuzu donk.
On second thought maybe I should get maybe 3. 2 for spares (;=))

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Follow Up By: Rockape - Wednesday, Jul 17, 2013 at 17:45

Wednesday, Jul 17, 2013 at 17:45
Pop,
stick to the 75 series. The defender would be to sophisticated and high tech for you. Then again, I could see you moving up to an International Scout or Austin Champ with the Rolls Royce engine.

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Reply By: coonick - Wednesday, Jul 17, 2013 at 08:44

Wednesday, Jul 17, 2013 at 08:44
The new patrol has grown on me and yes I believe it crushes the 200 in all ways but of course the lack of a diesel option.
honestly the 200 is awful in looks, totally out of date....and those stupid pansy looking taillights.....anyway the 200 is NOT the best far ! from it. totally over rated and honestly why does one need a V8 ??????? simply put its NOT practical.
With the prices on these mammoths they are only available for the more money than brains gang, those who insist on putting themselves onto financial disaster to get one or the one eyed sheep who insist on paying totally unrealistic over inflated prices on used vehicles.
Its only because the Toyota cost so much initially that the resale appears so high. Honestly why would any one with a brain pay $50k plus for a used 4wd with over 100000kms on it ???????common sense certainly doesn't prevail.....
anyhow.....
There are plenty of other makes and models of 4wd that have just as good or better ability. simple as that.
i have owned Toyotas and will never....NEVER again. The brand is tarnished by ignoramous dealers....Typical drop kick attitude. Service is definitely NOT premium,
just as big sheisters as most dealers I have dealt with.
I worked for a Japanese components suppliers for holdens and truly they are a nasty, ignorant, unlikable, arrogant people. They are also dodgy corrupt as they come and certainly DO NOT echo their high quality, technological status.
Just because a someone might be number one in sales, DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE THE BEST IN QUALITY.
I just get so frustrated when people so called swear and plug a brand to try and justify their reason for blowing so much cash on that product.

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Follow Up By: Member - Boobook - Wednesday, Jul 17, 2013 at 16:07

Wednesday, Jul 17, 2013 at 16:07
Slow down, you are hyperventilating. LOL
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Reply By: Member - PJR (NSW) - Wednesday, Jul 17, 2013 at 17:40

Wednesday, Jul 17, 2013 at 17:40
I may be wrong here.

We use a roof top tent that extends over the rear of the car a couple of meters when open. The area behind the car is then enclosed with an annex. Giving us a good private enclosure that uses the rear lower tailgate as a kitchen bench and table in bad and windy weather.

This system than we like does not work on a 200 series as the wind deflector on the top part of the rear door stops it from being fully opened when the tent is folded out over it. We need the rear door open when the annex on our roof top tent is set up.

From what I have seen of the new Patrol, and I don't dislike the plasticy look, the same problem would exists with it. But like I said up front I may be wrong because I have not seen a side on photo of the car with the door open. It doesn't look like the old barn doors and that makes me think that it would be a problem to us as is the Toyota 200 series.

The beauty is in the eye of the beholder otherwise we would all be driving the same car for the same job.

Some even like Alpha Romeos!! Well I had to pick something other than the popular cars talked about in this thread. Okay??

Phil
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