4.4KVA Generators

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We are looking into buying a 4.4KVA pure sine inverter generator for our caravan. Apart from the well known Honda and Yamaha range at a huge price, I see through research that that there are now many unknown brands on the market which are mostly around the same price and generally appear to be made in the same factory as Honda and Yamaha. Names that I have seen are Fuji, Gen Trax, Tomahawk, Praelia, MTM, to name a few and many more. Has anyone got good experiences / bad experiences with any of these brands. Mostly we will be using solar power, but when free camping, we will need to run convection microwave oven, maybe airconditioning, and of course the brides hair dryer.
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Reply By: olcoolone - Saturday, Jul 13, 2013 at 19:36

Saturday, Jul 13, 2013 at 19:36
I can assure you those generators are not made by Honda or Yamaha...... but they are made in China in factories that are very good at copying.

There are so many companies in China making generators it's beyond a joke.

Have a look....

http://www.made-in-china.com/products-search/hot-china-products/Inverter_Generator.html
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Follow Up By: willo54 - Saturday, Jul 13, 2013 at 20:20

Saturday, Jul 13, 2013 at 20:20
I agree, like a lot of vehicles made today parts and bodies and engines are all made in the same factories but are just badged differently. Thank you for your response
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Follow Up By: olcoolone - Saturday, Jul 13, 2013 at 20:35

Saturday, Jul 13, 2013 at 20:35
Sorry, coming from the automotive industry I have to disagree.... things can look the same or similar but that's where it stops.

Thanks for you reply even that it's a bit sceptical.

Do you really think Honda and Yamaha would take the chance and manufacture something that was to be sold to another company and sold a lot cheaper then there own product..... bit like Coca Coola selling there syrup to a competitor so they can sell it cheaper.

Good luck with your purchase.

BTW what vehicle manufactures make parts, bodies and engines and rebadge them for their competitors?
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Follow Up By: Mark C - Sunday, Jul 14, 2013 at 12:29

Sunday, Jul 14, 2013 at 12:29
Isuzu for holden, Nissan for holden and ford, Toyota for holden just to name a few.
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Follow Up By: olcoolone - Sunday, Jul 14, 2013 at 16:51

Sunday, Jul 14, 2013 at 16:51
Mark it's a bit different with cars..... either the parties involved have a financial interest in each other or they are forced to work together due to government policy or due to financial limitations on both parties behalf.

The last four vehicle manufactures here in Australia all shared manufacturing of parts for each other due mainly to the small market and cost of specific product of small run parts..... but the never shared parts.

All parties involved had equal benefits for working together.

GM had financial interests in Isuzu, Nissan needed Holden to cast 3lt RB engines for the Skyline and Holden used the engine in the Commodre as they needed something urgently, Holden needed a small car so they got the Pulsar again because Holden made the engine..... the reason Holden made the engines was to earn export dollars for Nissan and Holden offsetting there import duties..... Holden got the Corrolla and Toyota needed a bigger car so they got the Commodore, Nissan needed a commercial ute and van so they got the XF Falcons and ford needed a smaller car and they got the Pintara......... most of these dual model deals in Australia came about after the government limited the range of vehicles one manufacture could import in to Australia....... and to offset import duties.

I don't think China has the same restrictions and the financial rewards would make it unviable..... especially with generators.
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Follow Up By: Rockape - Sunday, Jul 14, 2013 at 17:20

Sunday, Jul 14, 2013 at 17:20
Coolone. Great answer.
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Reply By: Lyn W3 - Saturday, Jul 13, 2013 at 19:39

Saturday, Jul 13, 2013 at 19:39
AGR are selling the 4.4 MTM on Ebay for $499 which seems a good deal. Says it has sold over 700 of them.

AGR was on TV the other night as being the largest Ebay seller in Oz with $40,000,000 in annual sales so they must do something right

No affiliation etc etc bought a chainsaw there and am very satisfied
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Follow Up By: willo54 - Saturday, Jul 13, 2013 at 20:22

Saturday, Jul 13, 2013 at 20:22
Interesting, MTM was on my list thank you for the info
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Follow Up By: Motherhen - Sunday, Jul 14, 2013 at 19:14

Sunday, Jul 14, 2013 at 19:14
Yes we purchased the 4.4 MTM through AGR. The genny is quite good for the price, but I would not expect to to last as long as the Honda or Yamaha gennies. Their service was appalling and they did not send in time as stated on their website. I kept asking "When will you send it?" The robotic replies I got over the next week or so only said

"Whilst we usually ship items on the same day as your payment clears, we are unable to guarantee delivery by a certain date as once they leave our warehouse they are entirely out of our hands unfortunately."

Following the television report, a lot was said on the Facebook eBay sellers page, and not all good :O.

Do you really need a 4.4 kva for camping? We have kept the Honda 2 for back up when caravanning, and needed it when the MTM refused to start during the power outages of last winter's storms.

My Fisher and Paykel fridge runs with no problems from the Honda, but would not start on the MTM, although someone in Queensland has a similar fridge and powers their house from the MTM during cyclonic power outages and theirs worked.

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Reply By: Dennis Ellery - Saturday, Jul 13, 2013 at 20:49

Saturday, Jul 13, 2013 at 20:49
Chinese generators, I’ve come across, are not copies or are they from the same factories as the Japanese – I’ve been at caravans shows where the salesmen promote them as copies or being out of the same factory - the specs are not the same and are quite different from a Honda or Yamaha.
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Reply By: HarryH - Saturday, Jul 13, 2013 at 21:16

Saturday, Jul 13, 2013 at 21:16
I just googled AGR generators machinery and came up with this thread from the Whirlpool forum. Id be looking for something else.
http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=agr%2Bgenerators%2Bmachinery&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CCoQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fforums.whirlpool.net.au%2Farchive%2F1283863&ei=_TXhUfGaEoXOiAfX3YEQ&usg=AFQjCNE8wRGjrirtBTRsHLt1cBatdTniqw&sig2=vrcYv2Ae9GpqbObuoyUcPg&bvm=bv.48705608,d.aGc
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Follow Up By: willo54 - Saturday, Jul 13, 2013 at 21:40

Saturday, Jul 13, 2013 at 21:40
very interesting reading Harry. MTM geny might be ok but certainly not sure about AGR. Thanks mate.
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Follow Up By: olcoolone - Saturday, Jul 13, 2013 at 23:30

Saturday, Jul 13, 2013 at 23:30
MTM is the name AGR put on their generators..... there is no such generator manufacture called MTM.

Some don't get it!

BTW it's not 4.4kva, this is from AGR's own web site.....

"This range topping 2013 4400i Series is powered by an advanced 150cc over head Cam 4 stroke engine providing a maximum 3500 Watt output while easily maintaining 3000 Watts;"
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Follow Up By: olcoolone - Saturday, Jul 13, 2013 at 23:37

Saturday, Jul 13, 2013 at 23:37
Opps..... thought they said 4400w not Kva.

So yes 3000w and 3500w.
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Reply By: lizard - Sunday, Jul 14, 2013 at 00:04

Sunday, Jul 14, 2013 at 00:04
Have a Fuji , 4.4 kva (3.7 kva running) - elect start (and remote) .... no problems ......comes with toolkit & spare spark plug .... cost $740 , also have a Honda 2.0 kva (1.8 running) , no problems .... cost $1650
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Follow Up By: willo54 - Sunday, Jul 14, 2013 at 17:54

Sunday, Jul 14, 2013 at 17:54
Thank you for your comment, it is good to hear some one that has had a positive experience with Fuji
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Reply By: Nutta - Sunday, Jul 14, 2013 at 21:20

Sunday, Jul 14, 2013 at 21:20
I'd buy 2 ryobi 2kva's from bunnings and link them up, $800 each, ryobi has come a long way in the last few years.

They also come with a 3 year warranty, straight back to bunnings with a receipt for a newie.
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Reply By: Adam H - Monday, Jul 15, 2013 at 09:50

Monday, Jul 15, 2013 at 09:50
My father inlaw recently purchased one of the cheap 4.4 kva gen from fleebay to run his air conditioner in his van it did the job at the expense of the peice and quite of the camp sight. When it idled you could hardy hear it but once the airconditioner was turned on,OMG the noisiest thing I have ever heard my ears were ringing once it was turned off.
So they seam to work and do the job that is excepted of them, but god they are noisy.
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Follow Up By: willo54 - Monday, Jul 15, 2013 at 17:14

Monday, Jul 15, 2013 at 17:14
Do you know what brand and what size was it, 2KVA, 3.5KVA, or 4.4KVA?
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Follow Up By: Adam H - Monday, Jul 15, 2013 at 17:57

Monday, Jul 15, 2013 at 17:57
it is defiantly a4.4KVA i will have to find out about the brand will let you know.
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