Time for a new rubber....well 4 of them

Submitted: Tuesday, Jul 16, 2013 at 13:36
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Hi Guys,

I have a 200 series landcruiser with Grandtrek AT22's 285/65R17 116H tyres. It is now almost time from some new rubber and in searching the web there is not a big range of tyres out there.

Most of my driving is on road towing a camper trailer with some off road as well. Probably around 10% off road as this car is also my daily drive to/from work.

The tyres I'm considering are:
Pirelli Scorpion Verde All Season XL
Bridgestone D683
Yokahama Geolander AT/S G012
or possible put 3 Grandtrek AT22's on again with the spare (which has never been used).

For me, the AT22's have been very good with great on-road grip in both wet and dry conditions and have not let me down, so far, when off road which has mainly been on sand, gravel and general dirt.

I'm interested in what tyres other 200 owners have on their tyres. Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Regards,

Sn00py2
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Reply By: steved58 - Tuesday, Jul 16, 2013 at 15:06

Tuesday, Jul 16, 2013 at 15:06
I have a 100 series with at22s on it I found them good enough price wise to put them on again round oz plus the cape no problems still look good no cuts etc grip well good all round especially if you are mainly on the blacktop like me they are reasonably quiet as well
Steve


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Follow Up By: Member - Sn00py2 (NSW) - Wednesday, Jul 17, 2013 at 08:09

Wednesday, Jul 17, 2013 at 08:09
Thanks Steved,

I have no problems with the AT22's, they grip well and if I stick with them then I only need to buy 3 as the spare has never been used.

All the best,

Sn00py2
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Follow Up By: Les - PK Ranger - Wednesday, Jul 17, 2013 at 19:54

Wednesday, Jul 17, 2013 at 19:54
I've had a great run from the at22s as well, even surprised me in mud last weekend (first time in mud / clay on them).

Yes, if you've been happy with the at22s, why not fit them again, but this time do a 5 wheel rotate at each service, that way they can all be worn out evenly, then look at upgrading tyre options next time.

I will be looking at going to 31s in Pro Comp ATs next time . . .
http://www.procomp.com.au/Default.asp?MenuId=MLS_PC_TYRE

The Extreme ATs also look like a good compromise to going to full on muddies.
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Tuesday, Jul 16, 2013 at 15:45

Tuesday, Jul 16, 2013 at 15:45
I run the Bridgestone D697 in 285/70R17 so they are a bit taller than standard. Haven't had them long enough to pass a good comment but if they go for 100,000k like my D694's did, I'll be happy. A smidgeon more noisy than the Grandtreks, but a more aggressive tread.
If you want the Grandtreks again, there's often people wanting to get rid of them to fit more aggressive tyres. Keep your eye out for them on Ebay, Gumtree and Landcruiser forums like LCOOL.
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Follow Up By: Member - Wamuranman - Tuesday, Jul 16, 2013 at 20:43

Tuesday, Jul 16, 2013 at 20:43
Yes I like the LT D697's ...getting some fitted end of this week. I like the deeper tread but they are supposed to be quieter than the ones they replaced.


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Follow Up By: Member - Sn00py2 (NSW) - Wednesday, Jul 17, 2013 at 08:13

Wednesday, Jul 17, 2013 at 08:13
I like the look of the D697's, they have a higher load raiting 1400kg compared to the AT22's at 1250kg however the speed rating is 180kph compared to 210kph. Although I don't plan on exceeding either of these speeds, I am concerned that if an accident occurs the Insurance company may reneg due to the lower speed rating on the tyres.

The D694's were a great tyre, I had them on my 100 series and they grip and last a long time.

Regards,

Sn00py2
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Wednesday, Jul 17, 2013 at 23:31

Wednesday, Jul 17, 2013 at 23:31
Snoopy - check the laws. Speed ratings on the placard are irrelevant. In Australia there is a blanket rule that tyre speed ratings have to be no less that 140kph. A bit of common sense!
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Reply By: Member - Alan H (QLD) - Tuesday, Jul 16, 2013 at 15:48

Tuesday, Jul 16, 2013 at 15:48
Replacement Tyres

You may one among among these choices

Alan
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Follow Up By: Member - Sn00py2 (NSW) - Wednesday, Jul 17, 2013 at 08:20

Wednesday, Jul 17, 2013 at 08:20
Thanks Alan, I have been searching the LCOOL site also.

As mentioned in my original post, my short list is Scorpoins, D693's, Geolanders and AT22's and wanted to get the view of ExplorOz members on these tyres. Also, if anyone has any other suggestions to add to the list.

At this stage my preference, in order, is Scorpions, AT22's, D693's and Geolanders although I am still not fully decided.

All the best,

Sn00py2
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Reply By: TerraFirma - Tuesday, Jul 16, 2013 at 18:53

Tuesday, Jul 16, 2013 at 18:53
I love the Pirelli Scorpions, I went from Cooper ATR's to the Scorpions and what a difference. Amazing tyre, quiet, comfortable, awesome grip , I have them on 2 different vehicles.
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Follow Up By: Member - Sn00py2 (NSW) - Wednesday, Jul 17, 2013 at 08:22

Wednesday, Jul 17, 2013 at 08:22
Hi TerraFirms,

Thanks for this feedback. I like the look of the Scorpions. What sort of klm's have you got out of them and what are/have you had them fitted to?

Regards,

Sn00py2
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Follow Up By: TerraFirma - Wednesday, Jul 17, 2013 at 12:06

Wednesday, Jul 17, 2013 at 12:06
Have them on a Hilux 17" Rims and 200 Series Cruiser. My previous set on the Hilux achieved approx 60,000Kms , only done around 20,000 on the 200 so far.
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Follow Up By: Member - Sn00py2 (NSW) - Wednesday, Jul 17, 2013 at 12:47

Wednesday, Jul 17, 2013 at 12:47
Thanks TerraFirma.

Appreciate your feedback.

Sn00py2
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Reply By: Ross M - Tuesday, Jul 16, 2013 at 21:06

Tuesday, Jul 16, 2013 at 21:06
Sn00py2
So you are getting 4 new rubbers with tread on them.
Being a Toyota does that mean, "Oh What a Feeling" 4wd style?
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Follow Up By: Member - Sn00py2 (NSW) - Wednesday, Jul 17, 2013 at 08:24

Wednesday, Jul 17, 2013 at 08:24
Hi Ross,

Don't you just hate it when that "Oh what a Feeling" turns into OMG when its wet and slippery and your rubber lets go.

Thanks for the input, I'm still smiling......

Sn00py2
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Follow Up By: olcoolone - Wednesday, Jul 17, 2013 at 08:24

Wednesday, Jul 17, 2013 at 08:24
Me think you have been hanging around truckstop too much! LOL
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Reply By: 08crd - Tuesday, Jul 16, 2013 at 23:41

Tuesday, Jul 16, 2013 at 23:41
It depends what you are after, value for money, longivity, quietness, off road ability, puncture resistance, load carrying capacity or street cred
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Follow Up By: Member - Sn00py2 (NSW) - Wednesday, Jul 17, 2013 at 08:33

Wednesday, Jul 17, 2013 at 08:33
Hi 08crd,

I supose that in order of importance I am looking for:

On road ability in both wet and dry - most important,
Quality and reliable/known brand, - proven tyre with no issues,
Puncture resistance - don't like patching tyres unless necessary,
Load carrying capacity - car tents to be heavily loaded most of the time,
Able to handle gravel, sand and bush tracks - keep me happy
Quietness - keep the wife happy,
Longivity - don't want to replace them too often,
Value for money - important in this day and age but you only get what you pay for and quality costs money.

In short, I am after the lot :)

Regards,

Sn00py2
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Reply By: 08crd - Wednesday, Jul 17, 2013 at 09:50

Wednesday, Jul 17, 2013 at 09:50
I use Hankook RF10's and I will be putting them on again. However if I was doing a lot of bush work, I'd probably opt for BFG's
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Follow Up By: Member - Sn00py2 (NSW) - Wednesday, Jul 17, 2013 at 13:01

Wednesday, Jul 17, 2013 at 13:01
Hi 08crd,

I've had a look at the Hancok site and I can't find a 285/65R17 tyre. When you put in this size, a lot of tyres come up but when you look at the sazes available the 285/65R17 is not listed. Looks like their search function does not work...:(

Regards,

Sn00py2
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Follow Up By: 08crd - Wednesday, Jul 17, 2013 at 14:12

Wednesday, Jul 17, 2013 at 14:12
Someone mentioned tread depth and I was sure I'd recorded it when I bought the tyres, so I dug out reciept.
Purchased 23/07/2010 cost $1140 for 5 or $228 ea fitted.
Vehicle odo 54,570 klm tread depth 9.5mm

Today 17/07/2013 tread depth 6.5mm, vehicle odo 94,678 klm.

Most of the K's have been towing caravan, bit of offroading in the Pilbara, which supprisingly didn't rip the lugs off. Appears to be a good allround tyre for my applications.

I'm not sure about availaility in 285/65 x 17, mine are 265/65 x 17
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Follow Up By: Member - Sn00py2 (NSW) - Wednesday, Jul 17, 2013 at 20:34

Wednesday, Jul 17, 2013 at 20:34
Looks like between 80-90,000 klms for a set. Now that's impressive.
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Follow Up By: 08crd - Wednesday, Jul 17, 2013 at 20:59

Wednesday, Jul 17, 2013 at 20:59
Yes, I've been impressed, I don't think they are super robust construction like the BFG's. But they were about $150 cheaper per tyre, which over 5 was $750, not to be sneezed at.
However the main reason I bought them was, the guy I buy my tyres through recommended them.
He said the 'Overnighters' running out of Leonora say they are brilliant.
Well like I said, I will definately use them again and I have no loyalty to any tyre.
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Reply By: guy007 - Wednesday, Jul 17, 2013 at 11:05

Wednesday, Jul 17, 2013 at 11:05
Hi Snoopy,
Have just returned to Mudgee after 13500 K round trip to Broome and back. Apart from the blacktop the trip included the Plenty Highway (before the graders) Gibb River Rd (after rain) and then to the Roper Bar ,Limmen Bight to Borroloola and then over the Savannah to Kingfisher Camp and Adel's Grove. About 5000k dirt in all.
Some of the dirt was cut up badly and we were towing a 3 tonne van. Before the trip fitted Bridgestone AT D697s in the original size 285/65/17 and they were brilliant. Tread depth after the trip was still at 11mm with no cuts and no punctures. Could not be happier.
If you are tempted to fit larger tyres ie 70 aspect they are much taller and will affect your fuel use accordingly.
regards
Guy
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Follow Up By: Member - Sn00py2 (NSW) - Wednesday, Jul 17, 2013 at 12:46

Wednesday, Jul 17, 2013 at 12:46
Hi Guy,

The D697's look to be a great tyre and the reports are all positive. My only concern is with Insurance and the lower speed rating however I understand that there is some exemption for 4WD's as long as the speed rating exceeds 140kph. I will have to check this out further.

I had the D694's on my previous 100 series and they were a great tyre.

Thanks again,

Sn00py2
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Follow Up By: guy007 - Wednesday, Jul 17, 2013 at 16:26

Wednesday, Jul 17, 2013 at 16:26
Hi Snoopy,
Have a look on the Bushtracker forum for an in depth discussion on tyres for your 200.
There is a photo of the difference between Bfg and the Duelers in the thickness of the steel belts. Very interesting reading.http://www.bushtrackerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=770


regards
Guy
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Follow Up By: Member - Sn00py2 (NSW) - Wednesday, Jul 17, 2013 at 21:03

Wednesday, Jul 17, 2013 at 21:03
Hi Guy,

Lots of interesting reading. Still no decision yet but will keep the AT22 as a spare and get 4 of something. The D697's seem to have the preference so far.

Regards,

Sn00py2
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Reply By: allein m - Wednesday, Jul 17, 2013 at 13:17

Wednesday, Jul 17, 2013 at 13:17
This bridgstone tire report on utube might be interesting to you


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFPKdpLpBss&list=PLCAC10A1CC0C93134
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Follow Up By: Member - Sn00py2 (NSW) - Thursday, Jul 18, 2013 at 08:31

Thursday, Jul 18, 2013 at 08:31
Thanks Allein,

I've watched the video's. Lots of good information.

Regards,

Sn00py2
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Follow Up By: allein m - Thursday, Jul 18, 2013 at 12:18

Thursday, Jul 18, 2013 at 12:18
Utube has come a long long way in the past 2 year
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