The dangers of winter diesel

Submitted: Saturday, Jul 27, 2013 at 13:45
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Has anyone read the above artical in the "snowy river echo" essentially a local mechanic advises that the anti waxing/anti gel constituent has been removed from alpine diesel resulting in diesel becoming solid in temperatures below minus 4 deg c,if accurate this would pose enormous problems for diesel powered equipment and vehicles.
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Reply By: garrycol - Saturday, Jul 27, 2013 at 13:51

Saturday, Jul 27, 2013 at 13:51
Don't believe eveything you read - more likely vehicles coming to the region from areas where winter diesel is not needed and arriving in the mountains with normal diesel in their tanks and suffering the consequences.

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Follow Up By: Member - Allan L2 - Sunday, Jul 28, 2013 at 08:24

Sunday, Jul 28, 2013 at 08:24
Spot on, I have to agree with you Garry. If you are visiting & staying overnight in Alpine areas make sure you top up with local diesel. Try to arrive with a relatively low tank level so as to top up with the maximum amount of alpine fuel. Remember, the locals drive diesel powered vehicles & don't have problems. I have been staying in the Adaminaby, Jindabyne, Thredbo area during mid winter for many years & as yet not experienced any problem. I have known of many that have had trouble & most have arrived from lower altitudes & generally further north west & not topped up locally.
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Reply By: Nomadic Navara - Saturday, Jul 27, 2013 at 14:20

Saturday, Jul 27, 2013 at 14:20
ere is a bit on diesel fuels. The standards for Oz diesel are in this link. Scroll up to see what the terms mean.

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Follow Up By: racinrob - Saturday, Jul 27, 2013 at 17:53

Saturday, Jul 27, 2013 at 17:53
In May earlier this year we overnighted at Wallabadah south of Tamworth NSW, it got so cold during the night it froze the water in our caravan's water pipes. Around 8 o'clock the next morning I fired up my old 75 series LandCruiser with a fair bit of white smoke but it did start whereas a couple of late model diesel Pajero's would not. The Pajero drivers rang the NRMA in Tamworth who advised them to wait until mid morning when the temp had risen a bit and try again, evidently common rail diesels don't like the cold with normal diesel fuel.

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Follow Up By: pepper2 - Sunday, Jul 28, 2013 at 08:07

Sunday, Jul 28, 2013 at 08:07
peter thankyou for your thoughtful reply
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Reply By: Ross M - Saturday, Jul 27, 2013 at 17:50

Saturday, Jul 27, 2013 at 17:50
If it hasn't got the anti waxing.gelling agent then it isn't Alpine Diesel. What else makes it ALPINE.
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Reply By: Witi Repartee - Saturday, Jul 27, 2013 at 19:51

Saturday, Jul 27, 2013 at 19:51
Can't see any link to the story above. Would be handy. Cheers
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Reply By: Smiley Bill - Saturday, Jul 27, 2013 at 20:32

Saturday, Jul 27, 2013 at 20:32
Hi all,

Alpine diesel is normal diesel mixed with Heating oil.

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Follow Up By: The Original JohnR (Vic) - Sunday, Jul 28, 2013 at 13:04

Sunday, Jul 28, 2013 at 13:04
Heating oil is diesel mixed with a small percentage of kerosine.
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Reply By: pepper2 - Sunday, Jul 28, 2013 at 08:07

Sunday, Jul 28, 2013 at 08:07
thankyou for your replies
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Reply By: cookie1 - Sunday, Jul 28, 2013 at 09:35

Sunday, Jul 28, 2013 at 09:35
I'm going to the Vic High Country in November and should arrive there from Adelaide on the one tank then top up locally, the question is though, given that I take 270 +litres in my tanks is there a problem if I run Alpine Diesel once in a warmer climate, start heading home back to Adelaide?

I have a 200 GX Cruiser if that makes a difference

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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Sunday, Jul 28, 2013 at 10:28

Sunday, Jul 28, 2013 at 10:28
do you need to put 270 litres of Alpine in? Given it is likely dearer than summer fuel anyhow?
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Follow Up By: cookie1 - Sunday, Jul 28, 2013 at 10:41

Sunday, Jul 28, 2013 at 10:41
Thanks for that - it is more of a comment than answering my question but there you go...

No I don't to fill all the way up, but then I try to support the locals where I can, I also don't know how much fuel I will use whilst in the area

I still want to know if the Alpine / Winter Diesel will present any issues in the warmer areas - appreciate an answer instead of comments please

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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Sunday, Jul 28, 2013 at 11:11

Sunday, Jul 28, 2013 at 11:11
Sorry for commenting. Short term no problem. Long term the fuels lubricity/thickness will be lower than summer fuel when used at higher ambient temps and is similar to using the cold weather engine oils in desert heat
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Follow Up By: cookie1 - Sunday, Jul 28, 2013 at 12:00

Sunday, Jul 28, 2013 at 12:00
Thanks for that, so in essence if I ran it on one tank it shouldn't be an issue but long term wouldn't be good as I would think that it may have insufficient lubricity during hotter weather- this of course is a mute point if they have changed the fuel by November.
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Follow Up By: garrycol - Sunday, Jul 28, 2013 at 12:51

Sunday, Jul 28, 2013 at 12:51
Sorry Cookie - this is a forum you have to take the relevant with the not so relevant.

But - no there is no issue using alpine diesel in warmer areas. The alpine additive is really just a variation of diesel (kero, heating oil or some other similar substance) anyway and just stops it waxing and burns along with normal diesel. I don't know where fisho got his information on lubricity from but I doubt there is an issue - afterall vehicles permanently using alpine for 6 months of the year in the mountains do not seem to have an issue.

Alpine would have probably stopped by November anyway.
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Follow Up By: cookie1 - Sunday, Jul 28, 2013 at 13:33

Sunday, Jul 28, 2013 at 13:33
Thanks garrycol,

yep understand that it's a forum but I have a tendency these days to not put up with irrelevant almost smart ass comments. The way I see it is - would I say that in the front bar of a pub with the guy stood in front of me :-)

I stopped coming to this forum some time ago due to some people just being pretty non-constructive, rude & offensive but have come back and think that it seems to have changed for the better

If I can't comment on someones thread in a positive manner then I just leave it alone

Having said that I do appreciate the later comment / answer and undertsand that the original comment probably wasn't meant to be clever, just didn't answer my question

I appreciate the majority of people on this forum and find it worthwhile coming on and having a look around

no offence intended to anyone

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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Sunday, Jul 28, 2013 at 17:41

Sunday, Jul 28, 2013 at 17:41
mmm-dont know how you'd interpret my first comment as being "clever" but anyhow.
Garrycol-is diesel fuel the only mineral oil whose viscosity doesnt change with large temperature variations?
Note I didnt say it was "insufficient", just lower.
Why dont they just supply "alpine" fuel everywhere, rather than just in certain areas?
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Follow Up By: Honky - Sunday, Jul 28, 2013 at 20:41

Sunday, Jul 28, 2013 at 20:41
Saw kero at $2.50 per litre at a BP Pump is probably why it is not added all year around.
Also talking to my Father in Law who used to work on Commercial ships and Kero was the mast dangerous fuel to pump onto a boat as it would heat up. It is also abrasive.

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