Tyres for Little Sandy Desert

Submitted: Tuesday, Feb 10, 2004 at 16:33
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I am off on a 27 day tagalong throgh the desert . I am not allowed to go with the current tyres I have , because they puncture too easilly . The trip leader suggested
Bridgestone Dueller 661 or Coopers .
I have a turbo diesel Landcruiser so there is no split rims made for my car because it has a different offset to the normal 100 Series . So , that leaves me to find a tyre that will fit on a 16 x 8 inch wheel that is EXTREMELLY puncture resistant .
I am looking at the Coopers range of 10 ply LT tyres . or the 10 ply Bridgestone 661 .
I am worried because someone told me that the LT tyres are very hard to get off the rims if you want to replace a tube . Is this true ??
Does anyone have any ideas or advice .
Thanks a lot ,
Mike
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Reply By: Eric from Cape York Connections - Tuesday, Feb 10, 2004 at 16:55

Tuesday, Feb 10, 2004 at 16:55
Mick All tyres are hard to get on and off rims what I did is take the wheel of my truck and get the tyre plyer set and practice taking the tyre of and then put it back on again.
The first time I did it it took 2.5 hours from go to wo. I know thats a long time but now I can do it in about 45mins from go to wo.
Dont try practicing on the same tyre each time because the bead will have then de cracked and thats cheating.
Another thing I found was read the instructions that come with the kit as my wife said thats why they put them in the kit.

All the best
Eric

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Follow Up By: GOB member vic - Tuesday, Feb 10, 2004 at 17:13

Tuesday, Feb 10, 2004 at 17:13
goodday eric
i am sorry and i know our women folk know every thing but i must dispute this attiitude as you only read the instructions when all else fails

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as i am having trouble sizing the picture
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike W (NSW) - Tuesday, Feb 10, 2004 at 20:33

Tuesday, Feb 10, 2004 at 20:33
Eric ,
Thanks for your info . Your right , it's no use getting out there and finding I can' work the tyre plier set . I am like you , I find it a challenge to try everything beforte you read the destructions . My wife likes to point that out .
Mike
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Reply By: Member - Wayne - Tuesday, Feb 10, 2004 at 18:07

Tuesday, Feb 10, 2004 at 18:07
Mike

A friend of mine tried a set of Coppers only lasted about 1800 klm that was only one trip.( across Australia and back) He had above average puntures compared to the rest of the convoy. He has now gone back to BFG, I am sure he is running 16x8 rims and has no problem obtaining a tyre to fit. If you are not running split rims tubes are not required. I have crossed the Simpson a few times now and have had no problems running 32x11.5x15 at about 20psi.

Wayne
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike W (NSW) - Tuesday, Feb 10, 2004 at 20:37

Tuesday, Feb 10, 2004 at 20:37
Hi Wayne ,
Thanks for the answer . I have BF Goodrich All terrain A/T and I thought I had bought tough tyres . The guy said that last year one of his tagalongs had had 14 punctures on his BFG - in that same time the other 8 cars had had 8 between them . He had to fly in a new set to fit on this guys wheels .
Regards ,
Mike
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Reply By: ianmc - Tuesday, Feb 10, 2004 at 18:12

Tuesday, Feb 10, 2004 at 18:12
Did the Simpson 2 years ago on 30x9.5's with fairly light sidewalls on about 20psi fairly lightly laden, via the French Line. Not a nick for the whole trip.
Think your tour leader is a bit picky or trying to cover every thing that could happen but you can NEVER be 100%.
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Reply By: Voxson (Adelaide) - Tuesday, Feb 10, 2004 at 18:36

Tuesday, Feb 10, 2004 at 18:36
Hi Mike... Sounds like your trip leader needs to settle down a bit....He sounds a little picky....I run 6ply tyres and in 60,000kms have only had one flat because i wasnt watching a branch in a creek bed.....
10-ply tyres are harder to work with whilst changing...... I am sure one complete normal spare and 2 casings would see any trip out....
What tyres are you running?............___________________________________
Simpson trip 05/04 then turn left at Birdsville to Darwin via Lawn Hill etc
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike W (NSW) - Tuesday, Feb 10, 2004 at 20:30

Tuesday, Feb 10, 2004 at 20:30
Hi ,
Thanks for the answer. The car came with Dunlop Grand Trek but I changed to what I thought was a tough tyre - the B.F.Goodrich All Terrain A/T in 275 / 70 R16 .
The tour leader said that he had a guy used these last year and he had 14 punctures . In that time the other 8 cars had only 8 between them . He had to fly in a new set of tyres and fit them in the desert . Now he bans the Goodrich on his trips .
Maybe I will just have to take two spares and a puncture plugging kit.
Maybe I could take a spare tube in case this fellow can take the tyre off the rim .
What do you reckon ? ,
Mike .
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Reply By: Jimbo (WA) - Tuesday, Feb 10, 2004 at 18:50

Tuesday, Feb 10, 2004 at 18:50
Mike,

I agrre with all your replies so far - particularly Eric's about practicing. Only thing I have to say different is to suggest "Beadbreaker" instead of"Tyrepliers" as it is much easier, simpler and quicker to use.

After only one or two practices you can have a tubeless tyre completely off a solid rim in about 20 mins.

Good luck and enjoy your trip.Cheers, Jim

"Lead, Follow.....or get out of the way!!"
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Follow Up By: Jimbo (WA) - Tuesday, Feb 10, 2004 at 18:52

Tuesday, Feb 10, 2004 at 18:52
P.S. That's with LT tyres - mine are BFG AT KO's, and that is the sort of time I take.Cheers, Jim

"Lead, Follow.....or get out of the way!!"
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike W (NSW) - Tuesday, Feb 10, 2004 at 20:42

Tuesday, Feb 10, 2004 at 20:42
Jim,
Thanks for your info . I have noted "Beadbreaker"
Regards ,
Mike
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Tuesday, Feb 10, 2004 at 20:38

Tuesday, Feb 10, 2004 at 20:38
funny aint it, some people SWEAR by Coopers and have 80,000+ klms fault free...
funny aint it, some people SWEAR by BFGs and have 80,000+ klms fault free...

then there are some that have 1800klms with squillion flats with Coopers.. Worst of the convoy
then there are some that have 1800klms with squillion flats with BFGs.. Worst of the convoy

Ive heard nothing good about BFG KM/KO's
Ive heard lots good about Coopers...
Ive heard little at all about Bridgestones

Do a search of the archives, there should only be 2093402389402940293402394 matches to this one...

Then there was the 4 cars in our club that did a trip with tires GIVEN to them by coopers to test on a remote trip, He had least flats of all of them. Theres another thread on it elsewhere.

Good Luck
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Reply By: Member - Mike W (NSW) - Tuesday, Feb 10, 2004 at 20:44

Tuesday, Feb 10, 2004 at 20:44
Truckster,
Thanks for the reply . Actually I have never been on the forum before and am a bit overwhelmed by the response . It' great .
Mike
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Reply By: uther - Tuesday, Feb 10, 2004 at 21:00

Tuesday, Feb 10, 2004 at 21:00
mike ...I run Toyo "open country".... have tried and beaten them on all sorts of terrain..........on a hilux with a load... just can't beat em. I think people get sort hung up over tyres... I've spoken to people who have been across simpsom desert, gibb river , anne bedall , etc and never even had a problem with tyres. I think a little touch of reality is needed. Even the worst tyre today is still "stacks" better than one made 20yrs ago....if ya know what I mean. Don,t let this bloke spook you...Uther
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Reply By: Outnabout David (SA) - Tuesday, Feb 10, 2004 at 21:34

Tuesday, Feb 10, 2004 at 21:34
Mike,

Don't worry about getting new tyres unless they are worn out get a new trip leader!

Most tyres are OK for the desert out of the well known brands and as you will read everyone swears by their favorite and hate the others with a passion. Ther is no reason why a properly inflated tyre for the use it is getting should not get through pretty well unscathed.

The BFG's with a spare or two should have no problems with a safety seal kit should be plenty enough to get through most obstacles you will encounter plus care! lokk what you are driving on and avoid stakes etc.We have so little time to enjoy our land
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Reply By: Member - StevenL - Tuesday, Feb 10, 2004 at 23:50

Tuesday, Feb 10, 2004 at 23:50
Interesting.

There are a couple of people on this thread advocating practice with beadbreaker/tyre pliers while on another nearby thread (10437) people are talking about the damaging effect of tyre tools on the bead wire leading to safety issues and saying that tyres that are changed with tryepliers are now stuffed and only good for getting to the tyre dealer for a replacement.

StevenLPlaydoe GXL TD Manual
It's on order, Delivery in April '04.
This pic will have to do till then. Can't wait!!!
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Reply By: Member - Bernie. (Vic) - Tuesday, Feb 10, 2004 at 23:59

Tuesday, Feb 10, 2004 at 23:59
Hi mike
as David said get a new trip leader
Important to know where your wheels are as any tyre can be staked if you are not carefull.
Have used BFG A/T through Hattah, Sunset, Big Desert, Little Desert, Wyperfield, Nyngat & all the Border track, some of which have lots of stakes & mallee roots.
Yes we did have punctures myself 1 & a F250 TC had 2 it was much wider than anything else on the trip so only ever had 1 wheel on the track proper, most of the (12) vehicles had BFG A/T or M/T.
Run the apporiate (spelling) tyre pressure to suit the conditions and keep the weight down.

I wonder is this one of those tag alongs that goes flat out & uses 50PSI in tyres ?

Cheers
Prado TD Auto
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Follow Up By: Jimbo (WA) - Wednesday, Feb 11, 2004 at 00:51

Wednesday, Feb 11, 2004 at 00:51
"I wonder is this one of those tag alongs that goes flat out & uses 50PSI in tyres ? "

I think you may have just hit the nail on the head with this comment Bernie
Cheers, Jim

"Lead, Follow.....or get out of the way!!"
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