Speedo re-winder fined

Submitted: Wednesday, Sep 18, 2013 at 12:50
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It looks to me like the NSW laws regarding speedo re-winding need some upgrading - particularly with the number of dodgy Middle-Eastern scammers involved in the car industry in the SW Sydney region.

This bloke (below) sold 13 cars over 2 years with re-wound speedos on all 13 vehicles. He got fined $31,762 - and the Fair Trading Commissioner says it's unfortunate that there's no jail term in the penalty for speedo re-winding.


I think there needs to be some penalty upgrading here. I was under the impression that there was a 6 mth jail term for speedo re-winding in W.A. - but a quick check of the W.A. Motor Vehicle Dealers Act 1973, under Section 45, shows that the maximum penalty is $50,000 - and no jail penalty here, either.

At a mere $31,762 penalty for 13 cars (some of which were luxury cars), this represents a financial penalty of $2443 per car that he sold.
I personally reckon he could more than likely have made a lot more than $31,762 profit on his scamming - thus meaning he's still in front. Where's the real deterrent in this penalty? Don't forget, this is only 13 vehicles that they could identify - it's likely there were more they didn't find.

Caveat Emptor if you plan on buying anything from a Middle-Easterner in SW Sydney.
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Reply By: Lyn W3 - Wednesday, Sep 18, 2013 at 13:38

Wednesday, Sep 18, 2013 at 13:38
Thought it was an odometer not a speedo?

Rewinding a digital odometer is pretty hard, has a friend who used to wire in a switch on the sensor lead and could turn the odometer on or off by simply flicking a switch on the dash. (not in this country BTW)
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Follow Up By: Ron N - Wednesday, Sep 18, 2013 at 13:54

Wednesday, Sep 18, 2013 at 13:54
Lyn - Yes, you're 100% technically correct - odometer it is.

I was under the impression that odometer rewinding on digital instruments was difficult, if not impossible.

However, there's nothing to stop a scumbag such as the bloke above from buying an instrument panel from a wrecked vehicle with a lower reading, and installing it in the high-km vehicle.
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Follow Up By: Ross M - Wednesday, Sep 18, 2013 at 14:59

Wednesday, Sep 18, 2013 at 14:59
Because the digital odometer is only a counting device, if you have the access code to the EPROM it can be reconfigured with whatever reading you desire. There are many in the world who a specialize in electronic code and program stealing, crooks who want to can get access to the gear and make money. Indian, Chinese and European hackers do it all the time. Sorry if I missed out any deserving ethnic group.

ECU data access is done by most aftermarket electronic analysing crowds and they make fault finding gear. Odometers are small fry.

Ross M
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Follow Up By: Member - Wamuranman - Wednesday, Sep 18, 2013 at 21:18

Wednesday, Sep 18, 2013 at 21:18
Yes Ron N is correct ...that is what they do.
It may be illegal to wind the odometre back but its apparently not illegal to change the instrument cluster.
I am currently wrecking a car and the second thing to sell was the instrument cluster. It didn't dawn on me at first why anyone would want that part as its not normally something that gets damaged. Anyway its too late now...for $50 someone has probably got their car for sale with a lot lower Kms on it.
If you buy any vehicle s/h make sure its got logbooks and the servicing Kms correlate with the odometer.
I have a hunch that changing the instrument cluster is widespread.

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Reply By: Barbera72 - Wednesday, Sep 18, 2013 at 17:04

Wednesday, Sep 18, 2013 at 17:04
Damn ethnic groups ;-)
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Follow Up By: Barbera72 - Wednesday, Sep 18, 2013 at 17:07

Wednesday, Sep 18, 2013 at 17:07
(dodgy ethnic haker groups)
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Reply By: Shaker - Wednesday, Sep 18, 2013 at 17:23

Wednesday, Sep 18, 2013 at 17:23
My brother had a mechanical repair workshop & he was constantly being asked by private individuals who could wind back their odometers prior to trade in!

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Reply By: The Bantam - Wednesday, Sep 18, 2013 at 23:12

Wednesday, Sep 18, 2013 at 23:12
I don't know about other states, but in QLD every time there is a major transaction or rego transfer on a vehicle the odometer reading is required.

I'd say there is a fairly good chance of getting caught then.

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Follow Up By: Ron N - Wednesday, Sep 18, 2013 at 23:22

Wednesday, Sep 18, 2013 at 23:22
Bantam - Yes, that's the case in W.A. as well. The authorities like to keep track of vehicle kms for statistical purposes, and they also keep track of odometer-fiddlers that way, as well.
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Reply By: Alloy c/t - Thursday, Sep 19, 2013 at 09:08

Thursday, Sep 19, 2013 at 09:08
So its only people of 'Middle Eastern' origin that wind / fiddle / recalibrate odometers ???
No Arthur Dayly's ? No Australian car salesman has ever wound an odometer back ?? Or is it that just haven't been caught recently ?? A racist post if ever seen one [ Moderators feel free to go to town ]....
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Follow Up By: Ron N - Thursday, Sep 19, 2013 at 11:41

Thursday, Sep 19, 2013 at 11:41
Alloy - Please advise why NSW had to initiate a "Middle Eastern Crime Task Force in 2003, with a strength of 280 officers, to try and counter the explosion in Middle Eastern crime in SW Sydney - when according to you, SW Sydney is a hub of law-abiding Middle Easterners, and an area that every suburb in Australia needs to emulate, such is its outstanding peacefulness?

Maybe you need to get your head out of your arse and stop supporting the Leftie brigade that believes that every criminal immigrant from lawless, ruthless countries that have largely self-destructed, is a huge asset to Australia. Yes, I'm sure we all aspire to see Australia turn into another Lebanon.

Maybe you need to read Tim Priests book, "To Protect and Serve" - about the real policing situation in SW Sydney that the public rarely hears about, because of PC.
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Follow Up By: The Bantam - Thursday, Sep 19, 2013 at 11:56

Thursday, Sep 19, 2013 at 11:56
Unfortunately reality is not politically correct.


There have always been certain ethnic groups that are over represented in certain illegal activities.

Unfortunately that is a fact of life...ignore it at your peril.

The ethnic groups in question change over time, and vary by location.

At the moment there are some particular problems with "middle eastern gangs", particularly in the south.

Pick almost any ethnic group you like....some where sometime they have been clearly identified as being conspicuosly involved in systematic crime.

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Follow Up By: Shaker - Thursday, Sep 19, 2013 at 12:11

Thursday, Sep 19, 2013 at 12:11
Recently there was a well publicised case of a prestige car yard selling millions of dollars worth of vehicles on consignment & not paying the owners, all the accused are from the Middle East as reported here .....$15m Luxury Car Scam

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Follow Up By: Ron N - Thursday, Sep 19, 2013 at 12:53

Thursday, Sep 19, 2013 at 12:53
Several points to ponder;

People love to quote statistics - and they produce figures that show that Middle Easterners do not feature any more highly in crime than any other group.

The 1st point is that the Lebanese of SW Sydney specialise in "victimless" crime. That is, crime that isn't listed in official Police statistics - car insurance fraud (staged prangs), carjackings, car theft, car rebirthing.

The insurance company pays out, the Police never find out who did it, the crime is not listed in any statistics. Your 'Cruiser is whipped off the street, totally vanishing from existence. It goes in a seatainer and ends up in the ME where it's resold, no questions asked.
Your vehicle loss only shows up as one of 20,000 cars stolen, and one of the 10,000 never recovered.

The 2nd point is - Police don't care, it's a victimless crime - and no one particular group, is ever identified as specialising in high-value car theft to overseas destinations.
Customs can only check about 10% of seatainers, and Police never check on Lebanese-owned factory units where cars are slipped into seatainers.
The Lebanese provide some forged paperwork, let a Customs Forwarding agent and Mainfreight do all the work for them, and bob's your uncle.

When a Lebanese is caught for a car-related crime, no-one is allowed to ask his ethnicity, because you aren't allowed to identify people by their cultural groupings.
However, if you ask who he identifies with, he'll proudly claim Lebanese ancestry and cultural ties. He spends a lot of time in Lebanon or ME countries, doing "deals". He has dual nationality, and despises Australian culture as "weak".

None of this is recorded anywhere, as it's not allowed, because it might interfere with the progression of "multiculturalism" - that famous policy that thinks allowing the immigration of vast numbers of unchecked criminals from violent lawless countries into our society, will promote a peaceful, cohesive society in the future.

The authorities always try to cover their arses by presenting nice figures and trends that usually hide the real problems.

The last point is the Middle Easterners make a point of blending in by Anglicising their names, so they can no longer be identified by cultural groupings.
This is done on purpose to keep a low profile, not because of any real wish to fully assimilate as an Australian, nor obey basic Australian laws that have been designed to promote a law-abiding, peaceful, and cohesive society.

The only law these people are taught is the law of Allah. They are taught that Allahs laws are superior to all man-made laws - and that man-made laws are to be ignored.
The Imam is the local authority, not the Police or other Govt authorities - thus we have the stage set for continuous criminal activity, corruption, and continuous disruption of our peaceful society.

You can call me a bigot, a racist, divisive, or any name you like. But I'm realistically pointing out a bigger problem that people in power conveniently choose to ignore - because of a fear of facing condemnation for trying to prevent major problems that have caused other formerly prosperous law-abiding societies to dissolve into civil war.
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Follow Up By: Alloy c/t - Thursday, Sep 19, 2013 at 14:35

Thursday, Sep 19, 2013 at 14:35
The point of contention is that it is NOT only people of 'Middle Eastern' origin who commit /are criminals and it is racist to assume so , what about our own home grown , why is it necessary to label odometer tampering as a 'Middle Eastern' or illegal gambling as 'Vietnamese' or 70s drug growers as Italian Mafia ,,,,, look at Australias history from day one , a country build on criminal labour by criminals of all countries and religions and yet WASPs still remain racist ,,,
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Follow Up By: Aussi Traveller - Thursday, Sep 19, 2013 at 15:06

Thursday, Sep 19, 2013 at 15:06
Ron N

It begs the question, how do you know so much about how these people do business ??

Are you perhaps connected ??

Just asking Phil.
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Follow Up By: Alloy c/t - Thursday, Sep 19, 2013 at 15:48

Thursday, Sep 19, 2013 at 15:48
Ron N , a point you make is one of the biggest loads of B/S Iv'e ever heard on this forum , that being that people of 'Middle Eastern' decent anglicise their name so that they can no longer be recognised in their cultural grouping ,, all through history people have changed their name to aid assimilation into the mainstream culture of the country they now live in , next you will tell us that Dr.Martin Luther King's family always had the surname of King or that Italians /Poles /Cheks/ Russians / Welsh / Indian etc only anglicise their names to hide criminal activity ?
Could it be that people of a different ethnicity change their name so that the racist WASP can actually pronounce the name !!
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