Did you know - fined more than $300 - parked next to yellow line

Submitted: Saturday, Oct 26, 2013 at 19:12
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I did not know this.

Parking next to a yellow line.

Hmmm

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Reply By: Ron N - Saturday, Oct 26, 2013 at 19:46

Saturday, Oct 26, 2013 at 19:46
Phil - An unbroken yellow line at the road edge - meaning no stopping - has been part of the nationwide Australian Road Rules in every state for about 4 or 5 yrs.

However, the penalties vary substantially from state to state, and the penalties are often very well hidden in other state legislation.

In W.A., the penalty for the offence of stopping at an unbroken yellow line, is one Penalty Unit ($50).

Page 62 of the W.A. "Drive Safe" Drivers Handbook clearly outlines that stopping is forbidden on a kerbside unbroken yellow line.

http://www.transport.wa.gov.au/mediaFiles/licensing/LBU_DL_B_DriveSafePart3.pdf

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/wa/consol_reg/rtc2000113/

I'll wager that 100% of motorists only know about 75% of all the road rules. You only have to see the number of people who regularly flout or break road rules to realise that a sizeable number are ignorant of a lot of the important road rules - and a small number don't give a rats rectum about knowing any of the important road rules.

Cheers - Ron.
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Follow Up By: Ron N - Saturday, Oct 26, 2013 at 19:48

Saturday, Oct 26, 2013 at 19:48
Sorry - forgot to note that the relevant section in the last link is Section 142.
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Reply By: Ron N - Saturday, Oct 26, 2013 at 20:08

Saturday, Oct 26, 2013 at 20:08
The relevant NSW legislation is Section 169 of the NSW Road Rules 2008. The penalty in NSW definitely is 20 PU ($300).

Road Rules 2008

Note that "No Stopping" signage can still apply - even though there is no yellow line (Section 167)

Note also, that "No Parking" signage can also apply where there is no yellow line - or where a yellow line has just ended (Section 168).
Many people regularly get caught when they're only looking for a yellow line, they see it end, and they think they're right to stop and park. You have to look for signs as well.
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Reply By: Ron N - Saturday, Oct 26, 2013 at 20:40

Saturday, Oct 26, 2013 at 20:40
The relevant VIC legislation as regards no stopping on an unbroken kerbside yellow line, is Section 169 of the VIC Road Safety Road Rules 2009.

The penalty for stopping on a unbroken kerbside yellow line in VIC is 3 Penalty Units.

However .. Victoria doesn't believe in the standard $50 PU, and likes to inflate the value of 1 PU annually.

Currently, 1 PU in VIC is $144.36, and this will be reviewed upwards again on 01/07/2014.

Thus, a 3 PU offence in VIC will cost you $433.08.

Now I know why I like living in W.A. [;-)

Road Safety Road Rules 2009
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Follow Up By: The Bantam - Saturday, Oct 26, 2013 at 21:59

Saturday, Oct 26, 2013 at 21:59
Yeh ya got that right.

Remember the best thing about victoria is the road heading north.

The second best thing about victoria is the road heading west.

cheers
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Reply By: Member - PJR (NSW) - Saturday, Oct 26, 2013 at 20:55

Saturday, Oct 26, 2013 at 20:55
Thanks Ron

Personally I just won't park there. Not interested in how many points as I have never lost any.

I was wondering how many others did not. It was a surprise to know that it even existed. What have we got to do. Do an exam each year.

Red is a colour that would tell me not to park there but not yellow. Strange.

I hope others know about it now and don't get booked.

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Follow Up By: Ron N - Saturday, Oct 26, 2013 at 21:20

Saturday, Oct 26, 2013 at 21:20
I don't know of any parking offences where you can lose points. You only lose demerit points when you're actually driving or "in charge" of a vehicle.
In some states, being "in charge" of a motor vehicle merely means you only have to sit in the drivers seat with the engine running.

I'm not sure if you got confused with the major difference between a "Penalty Unit" (PU), and a demerit point.

One PU is a statutory amount for a fine under any relevant legislation.

Demerit points are allocated to you for specific offences, and after incurring 12 DP's within 3 yrs you automatically lose your licence.

Cheers, Ron.
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Follow Up By: Bazooka - Saturday, Oct 26, 2013 at 23:02

Saturday, Oct 26, 2013 at 23:02
Thanks Phil I wasn't aware of it. We're conditioned to red paint and signs for no-goes as you say.
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Follow Up By: Nomadic Navara - Saturday, Oct 26, 2013 at 23:43

Saturday, Oct 26, 2013 at 23:43
The motor traffic regulations have not had money values for fines for particular offences for some years now. All offences have a number of penalty units assigned to them. That makes it easier to index the penalties each year, they don't have to amend the regulations each time they wish to increase the fines.
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Follow Up By: Ron N - Sunday, Oct 27, 2013 at 00:10

Sunday, Oct 27, 2013 at 00:10
Nomadic Navara - Then how do you explain the NSW cost of $286 for a standard "no-stopping-on-the-yellow-line" infringement, and $304 for a NSOTYL infringement near a school? - when the legislation says 20 Penalty Units? - with 1 PU currently being $110?

As I understand it, there's a whole list of on-the-spot "infringement" fines in NSW - and probably other states as well - that do not relate to the PU's in the legislation. As I read it, the stated PU's in the relevant legislation refer to maximum fines allowed by the courts.

In W.A. the $50 penalty unit appears to be applied to fines, as per the legislation PU's. For example, the fine for speeding by up to 9kmh in W.A. is 1.5 PU's and the fine is actually $75.
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Follow Up By: Member - PJR (NSW) - Sunday, Oct 27, 2013 at 07:20

Sunday, Oct 27, 2013 at 07:20
Well that shows that to keep up to date one must be booked more often. A PU Is that pronounced a PEEUUU. As in bad smell? This is another first.

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Follow Up By: olcoolone - Sunday, Oct 27, 2013 at 08:39

Sunday, Oct 27, 2013 at 08:39
I have always known it to be no parking since I learnt to drive...... there are so many road rules that we the drive are meant to know but it's funny how a court has to make the decision in many of these rules.

Some in power say that if you don't know all the rules you should not be driving....yeah right!
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Follow Up By: Ron N - Sunday, Oct 27, 2013 at 13:20

Sunday, Oct 27, 2013 at 13:20
Olcoolone - W.A. was probably the last state to use yellow lines for parking, and it was only introduced across the state here, in the last few years. Can't recall the exact date, but it was only about 5 yrs ago.

Prior to that, signage was the only indication. The authorities in W.A. went on a big advertising binge to notify people about the introduction of yellow lines.

I can remember when I lived in Sydney in 1970 for a short period, being surprised at the use of yellow lines.

I don't think we'll ever know the full extent of every rule and regulation involved in driving - but it would help if the authorities made all the information available in one comprehensive booklet or online file.
As it is, one has to try and find the relevant legislation for the rules - and the penalties are often in a different Act or Statute from the Road Rules Act or Statutes.
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Reply By: Ron N - Saturday, Oct 26, 2013 at 21:06

Saturday, Oct 26, 2013 at 21:06
There appears to be an interesting angle in NSW road traffic offence laws. The statutory 1 PU in NSW is actually $110 (currently), not $50, as in W.A.

That is the value of 1 PU as applied under the NSW Criminal Laws and Acts.
So .. it appears that there are statutory values assigned to specific NSW traffic and parking offences.

However, it appears that if you go to court, the PU's specified in the relevant NSW Act or Section then apply.

On that basis, it appears if you elect to argue your case in court against a "No-Stopping-on-the-yellow-line" infringement notice, you are then liable for a possible maximum penalty of 20 PU = $2,200!

Here's more road rules and penalties you never knew about ... [:-(

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Follow Up By: OutBack Wanderers - Saturday, Oct 26, 2013 at 22:48

Saturday, Oct 26, 2013 at 22:48
The driving on high-beam is interesting, how many vehicles have you seen driving on one headlight on high beam because the other headlight has blown, I reported to Taree police, 14 vehicles whilst coming home and asked them to do something.

"Oh, we don't have the resources, they said. Whats so hard in sitting on side of road pulling in those driving on one head light.

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Follow Up By: Ron N - Sunday, Oct 27, 2013 at 00:28

Sunday, Oct 27, 2013 at 00:28
Not enough money in it, OW - catching speeders is easier. I'd like to see penalties for badly adjusted lights ramped up, and more checks done.
In France, the fine for badly adjusted lights is around $800.
Even the penalty for driving around without lights on is pathetic.
I nearly collected a bloke in my driver doors one night, when I pulled out from a T-junction, and this totally-unlit car appeared not 50M away!!
He suddenly switched on his lights when about 20M away, and frightened most of my previous meal out of me. Talk about a "brown corduroy trousers" moment.
I don't need to share the road with dangerous imbeciles who don't make a firm habit of switching their lights on, as soon as they get into the drivers seat and fire up.
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Follow Up By: Member - PJR (NSW) - Sunday, Oct 27, 2013 at 10:24

Sunday, Oct 27, 2013 at 10:24
Was it daylight? If so then get your eyes tested Ron.

Please lets not get into a "not again" revenue raising and lights on all the time discussion. Please NOT.

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Follow Up By: Echucan Bob - Sunday, Oct 27, 2013 at 11:16

Sunday, Oct 27, 2013 at 11:16
Ron,

from your link:

Are you annoyed by drivers who use foglights in clear conditions – or in daylight? In NSW it’s a $99 ticket and in Victoria it’ll cost you $141 to use a foglight “unless in fog or other hazardous weather reducing visbility”.

Where I live, it seems you must have your foglights on all the time as part of some display ritual (look at me, I'm a tosser and I have a car with foglights!). I'd say the coppers aren't booking them, going by the numbers.



Reversing a vehicle “further than is reasonable” is a $141 fine in Victoria – and reversing along a one-way street is a ticket in both states ($232 and two demerit points in NSW), because you’re still travelling the wrong direction even if the car is pointing the right way.

The cynic in me says there are whalloppers who'd book someone backing into a parking spot in a one way street if they had it in for them.

Bob
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Follow Up By: Ron N - Sunday, Oct 27, 2013 at 13:06

Sunday, Oct 27, 2013 at 13:06
Phil - It certainly wasn't daylight when I nearly collected the bloke with no lights on - it was in a relatively-poorly-lit part of the city, adjoining Hyde Park - and it was 10:00PM!
There's an old shop building right on the corner that prevents you from seeing very far up the road to your right. I most certainly looked to my right, and pulled out carefully, and I was nearly in the middle of the T-junction when I suddenly spotted him - and he was doing 60kmh with no lights on!!


Bob, I certainly am annoyed by people who have their fog lights, whether it's day or night. They're blinding.
I'm also pretty sure that most of those people have no idea how blinding their fog lights are, whether it's day or night.

Fortunately, W.A. police are right down on fog-light users when there's no fog about - and make a point of booking people using them when it's not necessary. I've noticed a big decline in the number of people using them unnecessarily in recent times.

I use headlights on low beam at all times, even in daylight, and it's a safety tactic recommended and approved by W.A. police.
With the number of grey, charcoal, and dark silver cars around nowadays, they can blend all too easily into the road.

I once had a smash-repair bloke bend my ear for 10 mins about how the majority of the cars he got in for smash repair, were those colours.
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Follow Up By: Member - PJR (NSW) - Sunday, Oct 27, 2013 at 14:15

Sunday, Oct 27, 2013 at 14:15
I missed a word "night" Oops my error

Mate It's not worth getting upset. Nothing is worth it. I don't like some things either, but that is the way things go. Even sitting behind slow cars. Ah well.

Catchya

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Follow Up By: Echucan Bob - Sunday, Oct 27, 2013 at 15:31

Sunday, Oct 27, 2013 at 15:31
Ron

Ah yes, the bitumen coloured car. Frankly, when overtaking you need to see about a kilometer down the road. Some cars are almost invisible due to blending in with the road. They might as well smear them with hotmix and call them stealth cars!

Bob
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Reply By: SDG - Saturday, Oct 26, 2013 at 21:59

Saturday, Oct 26, 2013 at 21:59
Recently went to Canberra, the main drag area. Had trouble finding a park until one pulled out, and I went in. Got out and it was a red zone from memory. Had a look at the sign expecting a limit and it was a loading zone. Got out quick. I did not want a ticket. What surprised me, was that every red zone had cars parked in it. At least thirty that I saw. Do those in the ACT not know there rules, or just not care?
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Reply By: Lyn W3 - Sunday, Oct 27, 2013 at 09:27

Sunday, Oct 27, 2013 at 09:27
It's a pretty standard law around the world.
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Follow Up By: Member - bbuzz (NSW) - Sunday, Oct 27, 2013 at 09:57

Sunday, Oct 27, 2013 at 09:57
Well, there you go.

I am going to have to keep my eyes peeled as I have never seen a yellow line painted like they do in England. I would assume that I would know what it meant if I did see one.

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Follow Up By: KevinE - Sunday, Oct 27, 2013 at 13:49

Sunday, Oct 27, 2013 at 13:49
The yellow lines have meant no parking/stopping here (SA) for over 40 years.
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Follow Up By: Steve M1 (NSW) - Sunday, Oct 27, 2013 at 18:30

Sunday, Oct 27, 2013 at 18:30
I don't know if it is still the case but in the Uk, they used to run a TV campaign if new laws were brought in and would also run a campaign for issues that needed highlighting, like looking out for cyclists and blind spot issues. I don't know about other staates but NSW certainly don't do anything of the sort and it seems these rules are brought in by stealth. I wonder why?

In Victoria, they have factored in a $38 million increase in revenue from speed (safety cameras LOL) cameras for 2014 which they are installing in increasing numbers. If they were really concerned about road safety, they would publicise areas of concern and bring them to the public's notice through media.
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Follow Up By: Ron N - Sunday, Oct 27, 2013 at 20:42

Sunday, Oct 27, 2013 at 20:42
Steve - You're spot-on on all points, and what you say is just plain commonsense.
However, as they say, common sense isn't so common any more, and certainly not in Govt Depts and Road Safety authorities.
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Follow Up By: Steve M1 (NSW) - Sunday, Oct 27, 2013 at 20:56

Sunday, Oct 27, 2013 at 20:56
no mate - they're more interested in ar$e covering and keeping the gravy train going. Public service is a long way down the list.
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Reply By: Penchy - Monday, Oct 28, 2013 at 13:07

Monday, Oct 28, 2013 at 13:07
Due to their location, common sense tell me not to park there. They're not there for artistic merrit!
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Reply By: Alloy c/t - Monday, Oct 28, 2013 at 18:23

Monday, Oct 28, 2013 at 18:23
I'm waiting for the wet season / or any decent rain so that when the road closed signs go up out our way with the new signs telling that "failure to obey this sign will in cure a fine of a minimum of 25 penalty units " ....we finally may stop the Richard Craniums ripping up our roads ......1 x penalty unit now equals $125.oo
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