smokey patrol

Submitted: Wednesday, Oct 30, 2013 at 19:37
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Headaches and heartakes.
Sell it ? reco motor?change oil . Had lots of fantastic advice, thank you.
Nissan dealer had me up for many dollars, Glow plugs , rings, valve seals up to $16,000 to recond motor.From a reco motor coy $7000/
Sold my antique colt gun collection in anticipation of the worst.ie add $35000 to mine to buy another 2nd hand.
Called in at Outback 4WD in bayswater melb vic. They had put in my radio etc but ,never thought of em as mechanics until a guy on another Exp OZ forum mentioned em.
They recokened prob injectors. Booked it in and picked it up yesterday.
3 out of 4 of the glow plugs wernt wurkin.
$278. later starts like a dream and NO BLOODY SMOKE.
I am so happy i might even have it detailed.
cheers ,bruce.
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Reply By: Ross M - Wednesday, Oct 30, 2013 at 20:50

Wednesday, Oct 30, 2013 at 20:50
Doesn't say much for the integrity or capability of the Nissan dealer, but then again it possibly says quite a lot.

A second opinion is also advised for human internals, especially if they smoke too much.
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Reply By: Member - There Yet - Wednesday, Oct 30, 2013 at 21:12

Wednesday, Oct 30, 2013 at 21:12
Hi Bruce,

had a very similar thing happen to us recently. Hubby was driving home from work when our ranger suddenly overheated. Hubby let it cool down as you would normally do and ensured there was enough water in the system. He drove another 10 clicks and it happened again but this time with loss of power. Towed by RACV to nearest service centre. We were charge $125 dollars to investigate and diagnose. Fair enough. Was told that more than likely it would need a new head and caskets, check and inspect injectors and at worst case a reconditioned engine. Estimated cost at 5 to 6k.
Decided to have it towed elsewhere to our local Ford dealer at our cost, and guess what, the only thing that was wrong was that the ERG cooler needed replacing. That was changed for a total of $500 including labour. It sure does pay to get a second opinion.

Cheers Kerry
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Reply By: Brian 01 - Wednesday, Oct 30, 2013 at 21:43

Wednesday, Oct 30, 2013 at 21:43
I would have thought that most mechanics could tell the difference between the blue smoke that indicates valve seals or other major engine woes and the black smoke that results from overfueling when injectors go wrong.
Glow plugs are normally indicated by hard starting especially when cold and black smoke only until the engine warms up.
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Follow Up By: Ron N - Wednesday, Oct 30, 2013 at 22:13

Wednesday, Oct 30, 2013 at 22:13
Brian, it comes back to the fact that so many "mechanics" should never be let loose near a spanner - and so many mechanics of today are merely parts replacers, and their diagnostic skills are zilch.
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Follow Up By: Ross M - Wednesday, Oct 30, 2013 at 22:47

Wednesday, Oct 30, 2013 at 22:47
Ron
My 10 in 100 theory still applies. Maybe ten in one hundred are suited to the task and no more than that can understand mechanical/hydraulic or electrical issues.
Monkeys can be trained to fit parts, ie monkey see, monkey do.
Most mechanics learn the same way.

No insight or depth of knowledge into vehicle systems at all.
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Reply By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Wednesday, Oct 30, 2013 at 22:49

Wednesday, Oct 30, 2013 at 22:49
I feel sorry for Bruce , the 4.2 was 5 grand more than the 3 L . My 4.2 hasn't cost a zac in ten years other than normal servicing and an alternator failure earlier this year. 360, 000 ks and still the original clutch. It's been a terrific vehicle. Nissan backup and service is very poor. Michael
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Follow Up By: Ron N - Wednesday, Oct 30, 2013 at 23:07

Wednesday, Oct 30, 2013 at 23:07
A $16,000 quote to recondition a 3L 4 cyl diesel engine should be referred to the CCC. I can get a 10L Cummins truck engine reconditioned for that kind of money.
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Follow Up By: fence - Thursday, Oct 31, 2013 at 10:21

Thursday, Oct 31, 2013 at 10:21
Michael, it ended up not all bad.
On reflection a 4.2 would have been better but traded my 92. 4.2 for the 3 ltr.
Like you other than the $300 just spent, havnt spent another dollar other than service and tyers and have just hit 200000klms.
Has made me stop and think thoughthat i should now give a bit more thought to out of the normal servicing.
ie will book in for auto tsmission service next week..
thanks all, bruce.
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Reply By: bluefella - Thursday, Oct 31, 2013 at 08:32

Thursday, Oct 31, 2013 at 08:32
That is a bl###y disgrace on Nissans behalf, the blokes told B/S enough to cause him to sell a very prized possession. For a $278 fix.
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Reply By: Farms - Thursday, Oct 31, 2013 at 16:59

Thursday, Oct 31, 2013 at 16:59
Hi Fence,

I can vouch for Outback 4WD. Great advice and service. As Paul says "his guys are mechanics, the Dealers have technicians". I know that I want a mechanic looking at my car.

Regards
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Reply By: Penchy - Friday, Nov 01, 2013 at 08:38

Friday, Nov 01, 2013 at 08:38
Great outcome, good luck getting your guns back.
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Reply By: get outmore - Friday, Nov 01, 2013 at 19:50

Friday, Nov 01, 2013 at 19:50
sorry but his doesnt make sense?

glow plugs not fully working is common and even if they start ok they blow a big cloud of white smoke after a cold start. This quickly stops though as glow plugs only provide intitial heat for starting to be abel to occur and do nothing after the vehichle is started

if your saying your patrol was blowing black smoke even with it fully warmed up

then thats not a glow plug issue no matter what you say fixed it
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Follow Up By: fence - Friday, Nov 01, 2013 at 21:07

Friday, Nov 01, 2013 at 21:07
sorry cobber, this thread was a follow up to a prev one in which i explained that on start up , a big cloud of blue smoke
,I would have been too embarrased to go to van park and start up in mornin and fill vans an tents with smoke which was only on start up .
Prob definately solved by outback 4wd.
Called in today at nissan where was always serviced and not to really stick it up their nose said problem solved for very few dollars.
Their reply was that they did not have the vehicle overnight and do the start themselves as they would have found the problem.
I said sorry but outback 4wd told me problem over the bldy phone.
I am happy so all is well.
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Follow Up By: get outmore - Friday, Nov 01, 2013 at 22:37

Friday, Nov 01, 2013 at 22:37
Ah ok ive had and seen more than a few diesels blow a big class cloud on cold start
Yes any 2 bit mechanic should diagnose it most likely glow plugs
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