105 series cruser or 2012 hilux diesel which to keep n which to sell

Forgot to mention on the injector issue prices have dropped dramatically, injectors can be bought now for around $390 as I just priced some for a friend. Whilst replacing them with labour is a near $2000 job it's not the $4000 it used to be. The newer injectors are diamond tipped and promise to be more robust is what I am told.

Diamond Tipped??????

Do they cluster the diamonds and spray fuel between the gaps pr do they DRILL HOLES in the diamond and spray through the holes?

It will be very interesting to hear about diamond tipped injectors and how they are made with diamond tips.

Sounds impressive. Now every girl will love your injectors.

Gday Ross
It's called "DLC" diamond like coating.

Thanks Muzbry for assisting Ross. I detected some sarcasm so it's always nice when someone else knows what they are talking about..! LOL

Keep up, Ross! - I know it gets harder and harder for us oldies to keep abreast of developments! - technology moves faster and faster every year! [;-)

DLC (Diamond-Like Carbon) coatings have been in use for at least 10 yrs and are appearing everywhere in new engine designs.

PVD (Physical Vapour Deposition) and PACVD (Plasma-Assisted Chemical Vapour Deposition) processes are crucial to the design of most high tech stuff today - and play a big part in reducing wear and providing substantial increases in durability.

The processes and materials can be used to greatly improve the durability of current design components as well, that are under extreme stress. The uses of these coatings range from machine tools right through to earthmoving machinery components, and vehicle engines.

Here's one crowds write-up on their processes, the materials they can coat with, and the actual uses.
It's fascinating stuff, heavy reading, and often a little overwhelming.

Coated components - greater performance and reliability

Cheers, Ron.

Wow Ron it certainly looks like the future, coatings to increase durability, performance and anti-friction etc. With Common Rail injectors failing it's hard to get a straight answer on the cause, some mechanics say they carbon up, other say fuel issues, water etc. Can't beat the old mechanical injectors as you can service them easily and affordably but common rail delivers a better combustion.

Terra Firma - Without a doubt, water and contaminants in the fuel are the biggest single cause of diesel fuel injection troubles.
With the extremely high pressures of injection with common rail, any problems with previous injection designs are magnified.

I also strongly suspect that Toyota dropped the ball on the quality of their injectors on their common rail diesels, in the period from around 2002 to 2008.

When Toyota went ahead with their greatly increased production levels in this period, they put production numbers in front of quality levels.

To meet vastly increased production targets, many outside suppliers were tasked with ever-increasing numbers of components supplies, and with this vastly-increased number of components required (and probably new suppliers as well), QC got left behind in the rush.

Toyota have admitted this, in a statement and apology by the CEO of Toyota, and they have set about lifting their game, back to the normally-high level of quality we always expected from Toyota.

Yes, common rail delivers a great result in efficient fuel burn, along with the staggered injection of electronic injectors - however, if you do not have fuel that is sparkly-clean, and which meets the tighter parameters of the common rail injection, then you will definitely develop serious injection problems with CR in a very short space of time.

I firmly believe that the high CR injection demands require some additional lube added to the fuel, and additional filters in the fuel line. Neither of these are a big investment as compared to the cost of a CR injection system failure or damage.

It's a very hard decision to have to make, the cruiser is in very good condition and drives as new, I've spent around 15g in accessories over five years with the intention to drive it forever and the hilux appeared but has been heavily modified with around 50g worth of gear added to make more robust, I never regret decisions but selling either could be my first!

Jacent


Forgot to add that the cruiser due to its age and mileage has already depreciated a lot. The depreciation on the Hi-lux will be a lot more.

jacent I owned a dual cab Hilux for 6 years from new until the start of this year and they are a very good versatile vehicle and would happily purchase one again. As others have said they are both different purpose vehicles so difficult to compare. I would say after you have driven it the 1000k the decision will be a lot easier as to what suits you best.
Good luck with it

Hi jacent
just a thought sell both and get a newer (_______________)insert car of choice patrol cruiser vw bt or what ever
You sound a bit like me not happy with standard so you can start to modify and tinker with the low km current shape.
Personally I would be looking at a 200 series Cruiser as an upgrade

Cheers Michael

So the thinking is to sell the cruiser, the hilux is new, only just clicked over 1500km, I feel the cruiser would be a more hard core 4by but I guess I need to look at practicality and long term and with $53000 of accessories the hilux is very tempting. So I worked out I have around $22ooo new price, worth of accessories on the cruiser obviously not worth that now but do ppl sell their car with everything fitted or remove things like winches and sell separately?