Tuesday, Nov 19, 2013 at 21:21
Hi Frank,
I have just gone through a thorough cleaning of my camper 120l
water tank.
I have been attempting to clean it on numerous occasions.
My problem was a persistent brown water contaminant that I just couldn't flush out in the normal way. I believe the tank may have been filled at some stage with muddy river water.
My final solution was to drop the tank so I could invert it in all directions.
I discovered this tank also had internal baffles.
Following a vigorous flush, I added a couple of cups full of household bleach, filled the tank fully and left it to stand overnight. (eg about 12 hours). The tank was left standing on one end, with the filler inlet and the drain and breather outlets uppermost.
I emptied the tank, filled it with clean water and emptied it again.
I again filled the tank, this time adding 1/2 packet of baking (bi-carb) soda to the water and again filled it. This was to neutralise the bleach taste.
Emptied it again and filled and flushed it again before re-installing it into the camper.
Filled it a final time and the water is now running clear and tastes normal.
I think the main problem with camper/caravan water tanks is the inability to completely flush it via the normal drain outlet, which is both small and not necessarily at the absolute bottom of the tank.
By being able to invert the tank after its removal, I could empty it completely via the larger filler inlet which was now at the absolute bottom. This allowed all deposits to be flushed out as much as the bleach could remove. The tank could be manually shaken about as the water (and therefore the weight) was reduced.
I would not recommend anything else but normal household bleach to use, after I did some considerable research on the web.
I used White King Regular bleach and two cups was a little more than was recommended for the 120 litre tank, but still within an acceptable limit.
Anything stronger could affect the stainless steel surface and seams and welds, etc.
I think the task is worth the effort, especially if, like my case, you can remove the tank.
It is not a simple job, but reassembly was assisted in my case by the use of a trolley jack to help locate the tank back into its recessed compartment.
Having only completed the job the weekend before last, I have yet to run the taps to
check water quality for a final time but I am confident that I have been able to fully recondition the tank back to an acceptable water quality standard.
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Follow Up By: Member - Frank P (NSW) - Wednesday, Nov 20, 2013 at 14:57
Wednesday, Nov 20, 2013 at 14:57
Thanks Bill.
"Anything stronger [than bleach] could affect the stainless steel surface and seams and welds, etc."
I thought stainless was pretty impervious to most things like harsh cleaners, eg caustic soda, acids (both within reason of course - not too strong) Am I wrong?
I know there are different grades of stainless. I don't know what the tank is, but there are absolutely zero signs of rust or corrosion or discolouration on the outside - unlike my Chinese-made SS BBQ - so I'm reasonably confident that it is good material. External seams are rolled and welded, which I see as another indication of quality.
I just wish I hadn't been so rash in deciding to use it as a
grey water tank. What a waste :-(
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Ron N - Wednesday, Nov 20, 2013 at 16:54
Wednesday, Nov 20, 2013 at 16:54
Frank - Stainless is not impervious to most things. Chromium, nickel and molybdenum are added to steel to make stainless steel, and the chrome content varies according to the stainless grade (304 stainless = 18% CR, 8% Ni - and 316 stainless = 16% Cr, 10% Ni and 2% Mo).
Chrome and nickel are dissolved by weak solutions of hydrochloric and sulphuric acid. When these acids are used to clean stainless, you can produce hexavalent chromium during the chemical reaction.
Hexavalent chromium is nasty stuff, it's carcinogenic, so you want to avoid it, at all costs.
Thus, if you use bleach initially, you get get rid of the bugs and the grease.
You then flush with water and clean out all the bleach/grease/bugs residue.
Then clean the tank with some citric acid, which then cleans any rusty spots or other alkaline chemical deposits - and citric acid will also assist in neutralising remnant bleach.
Then flush the tank again with clean water and add a moderate strength solution of sodium bicarbonate, which will neutralise any acidity left by the citric acid, and also "oxygenate" the tank, as sodium bicarbonate is a strong oxidising chemical, and an excellent health tonic in the body as
well.
Sodium bicarbonate is used medically to remove many toxins from the human body, and you can't harm yourself with it.
Cheers, Ron.
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Follow Up By: The Original JohnR (Vic) - Wednesday, Nov 20, 2013 at 21:35
Wednesday, Nov 20, 2013 at 21:35
Ron, interesting what you are saying about using weak acid solutions against stainless finishes. It makes me think that the items of stainless in our dairy plant would have been made porous years ago. Used plenty of quite concentrated acids, including the ones you quote, nitric too and phosphoric acid at high concentrations. Talking 304 grade here though. I don't think that moderate concentrations for the few minutes of cleaning would trouble 304 or 316 grades would worry the stainless tank.
Rusty spots are common in stainless welds and in some walls, but we found best polished. In the tank Frank is talking about, the visibility I expect it not to be an issue. Stainless is the front one isn't it Frank? Are you taking it off to clean it out?
With the dairy plant it was always suggested not to have the water too hot with the newer chemicals. 70° C is good to avoid cooking on the fats, but you do want to be able to flush it out after. Not always easy to get that with modern HWS systems!
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Follow Up By: Member - Frank P (NSW) - Wednesday, Nov 20, 2013 at 21:48
Wednesday, Nov 20, 2013 at 21:48
Hi
John,
Yes, it's the front one. I had the 120 litre rear plastic tank installed and decided to retain the front one, re-plumbed as a
grey water tank. Now thinking about restoring it to drinking water standard and installing the Group's
grey water tank in the A frame.
I will be removing it for agitation and easier inspection.
Cheers
Frank
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Follow Up By: Ron N - Wednesday, Nov 20, 2013 at 22:12
Wednesday, Nov 20, 2013 at 22:12
JohnR - No, you're right, short periods of acid contact aren't going to worry the stainless steel too much.
I was just concerned about the creation of by-products from the acid treatment that could be hazardous.
Surprisingly, in many instances, a weak acid will etch a metal faster than a strong acid. The characteristics of acids change with strength levels. Strong acids can actually be oxidising agents, against all initial thoughts.
Here's a webpage about stainless steel descaling and pickling (cleaning) after fabrication. The article is quite extensive, and goes right through to consumer care and cleaning of stainless steel, offering a wide range of stainless cleaning options.
Sodium tri-phoshate rates a mention, it's the common constituent of laundry powder. Oxalic and phosphoric acid also come in for mentions, but each chemical provides a solution for different problems.
Cleaning and Descaling Stainless Steel
Cheers, Ron.
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