Making contact with Outback Stations
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Member - Bill13
Whenever I am planning a trip I use Memory Map and Google Earth to assist me In making decisions of where I travel and overnight stops. As my wife and I love travelling on the back roads we often come across several nice prospective campsites that we would love to stay for the night. Unfortunately sometimes these nice spots which are in off the roadway therefore on private property. I realise just beside the roadway is also maybe private property but discretion can sometimes be used in that case.
Being of the older generation I would not just
camp there uninvited but would like to be able to before hand, get permission of the station owners to do so.
My question is what is the best way of contacting the station owners if you only know the station name? Sometimes the station name is not available either. Is there a government department that has property contact details of freehold and lease holdings?
Just want to do the right thing by all and would appreciate your help
Bill
Reply By: Robin Miller - Friday, Nov 29, 2013 at 10:20
Friday, Nov 29, 2013 at 10:20
It can be hard Bill as often you don't know just what is what , and you can't invest to much into finding out if the suns going down and you need to setup
camp.
My approach is to first make your
camp have as little impact as possible so that if someone comes across you then then have no real axe to grind.
From the other point of view as a property onwer I have found that a simple
sign that has nothing but a name and a phone number on it has been really useful to others.
We regularly get calls from people asking us things because we make it so easy and have ended up with both some new friends from this approach and having to rescue the odd car which I find a lot of fun.
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Reply By: Bob Y. - Qld - Friday, Nov 29, 2013 at 20:25
Friday, Nov 29, 2013 at 20:25
Bill,
The Yellow Pages have listings under "Graziers", that gives all.........
well, most of the stations/properties in that phone area. Maybe a visit to a
post office would give you a start in some areas.
But when you're travelling, not everything goes to plan, and it doesn't take too many "kodak moments" to make you late, or not arriving where you'd originally planned. Agree with Robin that when the sun's falling out of the sky, at a rapid rate, you'll
camp anywhere.
When we lived down the Diamantina, we had about 60kms of public road through the place, and it wasn't unusual to see people camped in off the road(it wasn't fenced), or see the remains of their camps. Didn't worry me(probably envious that they were camping, and not me!) as long as they didn't leave any rubbish, or get up to some mischief. In over 20 years that we were there, would have averaged about 1 call on UHF, or visitor per year, advising of their presence, or asking to
camp.
On most bigger
places, I doubt if it would worry the managers too much, as long as
camp was left clean, and there was no interference with stock, or
infrastructure.
I know on the
Birdsville Track they promote camping at the designated camps, rather than "anywhere", but we camped one night at Moongarra Channels with no dramas, and left nothing but a few tracks the next morning.
Bob.
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Reply By: Motherhen - Friday, Nov 29, 2013 at 23:00
Friday, Nov 29, 2013 at 23:00
Hi Bill
When we are travelling, often there is little indication that we are into a new station other than perhaps a heavier duty fence at the
grid. Some show the station name at the boundary, and just a few add their UHF channel. We would be unlikely to get mobile phone reception even if we knew the station and the phone number. Often it is not clear which of many tracks leads to the
homestead. While as farmers we would be pleased to meet and talk with station owners, I feel this would be an intrusion on their time.
As aforesaid, several stations are likely to be under the one ownership, with no indication which is the 'master station'.
We have seen one or two with a
No Camping sign at the boundary and would respect that. Otherwise,
well out of sight and sound of a
homestead, we have on a few occasions pulled a little way off the road late in the day, and the only
sign of our presence would be the tyre tracks after we have left in the morning. We will not drive after dark in pastoral areas after dark.
Thanks to those station who do not know they have let us sleep on their station.
If wanting to tour on or drive through a station on a private road, finding out how to contact the station and gaining permission (if granted) is part of trip planning. Driving through on public access roads and pulling off a safe distance for the night is something different.
Motherhen
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Follow Up By: get outmore - Saturday, Nov 30, 2013 at 11:41
Saturday, Nov 30, 2013 at 11:41
usually if there active stations at the boundary
grid theres the name of the station and a list of no shooting, no dogs, no camping
and at every track off to the sides signs saying no entry.
thankfully in WA there is an increasing amount of stations passed in and the DEC are opening them up
Credo station near
Rowles Lagoon is but one of many examples
its not only got a care taker but is now the centre for a large study of eucalypts with clean faciltys and accomadation
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Follow Up By: Motherhen - Saturday, Nov 30, 2013 at 11:50
Saturday, Nov 30, 2013 at 11:50
Hi get outmore; Your experiences will be more extensive and recent than
mine, as we have rarely seen no camping on the signs, and I don't recall even seeing station tracks signed no entry, but fair enough if station owners have been caught out with people not doing the right thing.
We once stopped for a morning tea break near a station tank by the road. I was disgusted to see a pile of used 'disposable' nappies and other rubbish including cans in the vicinity of the tank, where it appeared someone had camped.
Usually the country is flat and open so easy to drive a little more than the thirty metre road reserve for privacy without using station tracks.
Mh
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Follow Up By: get outmore - Saturday, Nov 30, 2013 at 16:26
Saturday, Nov 30, 2013 at 16:26
Unfortunatly MH these signs are everywhere around large parts of our state
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Follow Up By: get outmore - Saturday, Nov 30, 2013 at 16:28
Saturday, Nov 30, 2013 at 16:28
try again
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Follow Up By: Motherhen - Saturday, Nov 30, 2013 at 17:10
Saturday, Nov 30, 2013 at 17:10
A sad
sign of the times that landholders have to go this far.
Mh
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Reply By: Member - Bill13 - Saturday, Nov 30, 2013 at 07:05
Saturday, Nov 30, 2013 at 07:05
A big thanks to all who took the time to contribute to this Post. Some excellent suggestions have been made and it is good to see that other travellers have the same concerns as to where they are actually camping on a nightly basis. This practice of leaving
our camp clean and how we found it can only somehow compensate landowners for the others who don't.
As I am planning my trip from
home and trying to make contact with property owners before hand, I do not know if they have the UHF channel posted beside their entrance
gate, but have used the UHF in the past when needed.
The Explorer. Greg. I have looked at your suggestion " contact Agricultural Department/Pastoral Land Dept in state of interest for up to date list.." But have found the site difficult to navigate around and finding a specific property details next to impossible. However perhaps I should try that avenue again as I am sure the info is there.
equinox, Alan, thanks for the Excel spreadsheet of WA. Pity you did not have other states but I have put it aside, as I imagine others have also, for when we are over there next.
ExploxOz Team. Michelle, I now have downloaded the mobile app and will go out for a drive in the country and give the app a workout and see what information it gives.
Hopefully it may have the digital information I require.
Bob Y. Yellow Pages, how good is that. Did not give that a thought and it does give a good but not complete information that is required. Another tool to use and it comes in digital format as
well.
Hopefully this is not the end of this Post and more good ideas and comments will still be contributed.
Bill
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Follow Up By: mike39 - Saturday, Nov 30, 2013 at 11:53
Saturday, Nov 30, 2013 at 11:53
Bill.
One publication I can highly recommend is the Atlas of Qld. and NT Pastoral Stations.
Compled by: Terrance Alick Mapping
Services
PO Box 8
Gracemere
Qld. 4702
Primarily designed for transport
services to and from stations it indexes by name all stations with a sheet reference, airfield long/lat., police, dpi phone numbers and other information.
Hope this of some help.
mike
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