GXL UZJ200R Wagon Petrol why so cheap

Axle, I was looking at a 1990's model Lexus on carsales - asking $6,000. It was $150,000 new!!!

GULP!!!.



Merry Xmas


Axle.

Unlike my Torana I sold many years back for $900, and have seen similar now a days advertised $50 000 plus.

personally Id say a Falcon and a UZJ200 are so far at the opposite ends of the market in terms of buyers that Im astonished anyone would draw a comparison?

Your easily astonished then Fisho. LOL

It is just a further example of how depreciation is a major consideration when buying new. All of the larger vehicles such as the OP was asking about will lose 20K in a short few years of them being bought new and so it goes on down the ladder. The more it costs the more you lose.

I would suggest that the Honda mentioned above by Axle may be at the other end of the scale and the falcon somewhere in the middle in terms of vehicle size.

If resale value is not a consideration when buying then there are plenty of good second hand buys out there in vehicles that have plenty of life left in them.

I am wondering what my mates new VDJ 200 VX will be worth in 5 years.
He paid around 110K for it I think. Great way to throw money away.

Merry Xmas to you and your family and all the best for the New Year Fisho.

Cheers, Bruce

The "large car" market as you are describing it has 2 extremes.
SUV's which are more popular than ever, and large sedans/SW's such as commodore/falcon-we know whats happening there.
This is all seperate from depreciation. The HDJ100 is the penultimate demo of this.
Merry xmas to you also Bruce! ??

"Great way to throw money away"

Please don't fall into the trap of thinking that everyone is in the same circumstances as yourself.

For many of us depreciation is a god send!

Would you like to donate $$$ to the ATO to pass on to the long term unemployed to urinate it against a wall, or would you rather use it to buy a new car?

For me, its a no brainer! ;)

Gotta agree Kevin, most of the other ways to use your money so that the ATO don't get it have been shut down.

Troopcarriers aren't 200 series.

Even so, at $17,000 it must have been ex mining or have some issue. That's about half the going rate for private. Hardly representative.

Mate I am fully aware the troopcarrier is not a 200 series. I have owned a 200 seiries. Thats why I said 200 series in ALL its forms....meaning all current models Toyota produce with the V8 diesel engine.
NO it was not a mining vehicle. It was from a surveying business. Other than a slight dent in rear door it appeared to be in good condition. Engine ran smoothly and no smoke.
That price is fairly typical of auction prices albeit a bit lower than normal. They usually go for low 20's at the auction I go to in Brisbane although its a small sample ...generally only 1 to 3 V8 diesel Toyotas per auction. At this auction as far as I know none of the vehicles are mining vehicles. Its just a small auction yard.
The point I make is still valid. I have been tracking 200 series etc prices for a number of years. My observation is they fall significantly in value once they are out of warranty (factory or extended). This is just becoming apparent now as 5 to 6 years has expired since model release and many with 5 yr extended warranty are now coming on to the second hand market.
Cheers

Troop carriers are 70 series, NOT 200 series. Please check this for yourself.

Boobook what part of my previous reply do you not understand. I said its not a 200 series. If it makes you happy please delete all references I made to the "200 series (in all its forms)" in your mind and replace with "all model Toyotas with V8 diesel engine".
I was just being generic in my terminology. Consider the point I have raised rather than being pedantic about the terminology.

Sorry it's just very difficult to understand the point you're making with the incorrect model numbers and reference to a 70 series price as representative of a low value on a 200 series. It's just not clear to me what your point is as a result. Doesn't matter.

Wamuranman,, One small criticism about a toyo vehicle with the V8 diesel, gives BooBook a Spaz attack,..God I know!!, ..lol.

Cheers Axle

Only Ill informed ones Axle.

Here we go agin....... It seems every 200 series is a lemon, how wrong can one be. I seems people make comments that they have no idea or understanding of or first hand knowledge but the have heard about them.

Nearly all problems showed up in the warranty period and were addresses under warranty.

It never seem to amaze me those who own 200 series most have only ever heard about these so called problems and have not seen the problems on their own vehicles.

Four words..."Envy, tall poppy syndrome.

Btw...". Our Landcruiser has had only one warranty issue over 2.5 years and that was the inside blower fan that had a little squeak every now and again, or new 12mth old Ranger has had 5 claims.

Before making comments it pays to look at the corresponding vehicle specific forums where real owners hang out and not rely on he says she says of the World Wide Web.

Why is when some one mentions 200 series these urban reliability myths always appear.

“Here we go agin....... It seems every 200 series is a lemon, how wrong can one be. I seems people make comments that they have no idea or understanding of or first hand knowledge but the have heard about them.”

Olcoolone, have you had too much to drink over Xmas? What a weird and ill-informed comment to make, especially if your comments are directed at myself! I never said anything at all about the 200 series being a Lemon, but you obviously know the vehicle better than I do so if that if your opinion I will pass on that one. I do have first hand knowledge of the 200 series as I purchased one brand new and owned it for 3 years. If you care to actually be informed about others and the substance to their comments please read my Thread #100045
“Why I sold my 200 series” from earlier this year. This thread received 25 Replies, 58 Follups and almost 6,000 views.


“Nearly all problems showed up in the warranty period and were addresses under warranty.”

My comment has nothing to do with any problems that showed up or did not show up under warranty. My comment was based on my own observations and talks with buyers (I go to vehicle auctions regularly). The point is there is a perception in the market (and that perception could be right or wrong) that the V8 diesel Toyotas could be very expensive to repair outside warranty so accordingly the sale price is marked down. Some people would prefer to buy a 10 yr old 100 series than a 7 year old 200 series. Fact!


“It never seem to amaze me those who own 200 series most have only ever heard about these so called problems and have not seen the problems on their own vehicles.”
Four words..."Envy, tall poppy syndrome.”

What would I be envious of you Olcoolone? As stated above in my Followup 2 of 8 above I have owned a 200 series. In 2014 I am buying a new Silverado which IMHO is bigger and better than a 200 series. What a stupid comment that is Olcoolone. Perhaps you are envious that I was able to sell my 200 series for a good price whilst it still had 2 years extended warranty left on it. It is worth significantly less now that it was 12 months ago.

“Btw...". Our Landcruiser has had only one warranty issue over 2.5 years and that was the inside blower fan that had a little squeak every now and again, or new 12mth old Ranger has had 5 claims.”

Your point being…..?????

“Before making comments it pays to look at the corresponding vehicle specific forums where real owners hang out and not rely on he says she says of the World Wide Web.
Why is when some one mentions 200 series these urban reliability myths always appear.”

Olccolone…wrong, wrong, wrong… again! I am a member of LCOOL forum and have spent hundreds of hours over the past 6 years reading about the 200 series You are the one who is ill informed and has not done your homework…else you would not have made such stupid comments based on incorrect assumptions.

Its not a stupid comment...... your the one who bought up the

"Buyers are mostly aware of the big risk of massive repair bills outside of warranty should something go wrong (eg leak in steering rack etc etc etc)."

and im just responding.


What's the etc, etc, etc and don't you think every vehicle ever made can also have these problems?

Why did you bring up the subject of massive repair bills?

Of course a new Silverrado may be better in some instances but these instances where it may be better for you may not be better for another.

I logical thinking a 200 series is no more expensive to repair than any other vehicle and a hell of a lot cheaper then a Silverado.

"I logical thinking a 200 series is no more expensive to repair than any other vehicle and a hell of a lot cheaper then a Silverado."

Please provide proof of that blanket statement Olcoolone. I doubt that you can. I can import parts for the Silverado straight from US landed here cheaper than Toyota parts. Even the oil filters etc that I can buy straight from Performax at Gympie and they are cheaper than the equivalent part for the 200 series.
You are clutching at straws as you have been proved wrong and won't be a man enough and accept it. Your comments are studpid as I have proved the assumptions you made about myself and about my observations are incorrect. For example you inferred I don't own a 200 series or not part of the Locool forum. I have owned a 200 series and am a member of the LCool forum. WRONG on both counts. Need I go on.

What part of my comments about repair bills don't you understand Olcoolone? I think its pretty clear. As I move around auction houses I hear time and time again about the concerns people have about possible high repair bills after warranty on the 200 series. They are not my concerns ...they are comments I hear from others. That's why these vehicles are marked down at auction if they have no warranty. If you disagree with them that's fine. This thread is about why second/hand 200 series are selling so cheap. I shared my experience as to why that is. If you don't like it well that's fine ...but don't continue to shoot the messenger.

I look forward to your documented proof as questioned above re the Silverado. Please provide asap.

This thread is about why second/hand 200 series are selling so cheap.

No Wamuranman this thread is about a PETROL 200 series is so cheap, my opinion is that anyone that buys a petrol 4WD deserves to get their pants pulled down on resale, By the way I have had my 200 series now for 13 months, I have flogged it for 50,000 km mostly on dirt since I bought it second hand and it runs like a dream, I have serviced it my self at little cost, it is by far the best Cruiser I have owned and I have had a few, in fact we are selling the Colorado for another 200 because neither of us can go back to driving a 3lt any more.

People on this forum need to just chill out, no wonder all the characters from the past have left, Just sayin.
Phil.

Yes you are correct Phil...strictly speaking the thread is about the petrol 200 series. But nevertheless broadening comments to include both Petrol and diesel may still be helpful as there is strong cross correlation obviously between the 2 models.

I agree Phil that peoiple should chil out...but even more importantly they should get their facts correct before making outlandish comments that are based on incorrect assumptions. Is it too much to ask that people who respond do so after they have accurately read and understood the reply or followup they are responding too ?And why make stupid generalised assumptions that someone is envious of them. That is plain stupid. I am interested in intelligent and informed debate on issues....that should not be too much to ask for. But it appears that it is.

PS By the way I have never ever criticised the 200 series diesel. In fact in my original thread I said it is the by far the best Landcruiser I have ever owned. I still hold that view.

What ever I say your going to come back defensively, if you can source parts direct and you can do the work yourself of course it can be cheaper then the average joe can just the same the same as I can through our own workshop.

If you didn't have this option then it would be a different story.

Some stuff out of the states is cheaper but freight is the killer so I would say you argument is not valid.

It's good to see you have priced every part and compared it to Toyota...... Now you have haven't you!

I could rattle of parts and repair costs for many vehicles we see coming through our workshop and the cost of the repair in some cases is mind boggling.

The figures I see are figures from day to day running our own workshop, not from he says she says........ Most who bitch about price don't know what they are on about and the auction hunters looking for a cheap buy to make a profit on will always whinge and bitch about price...... Just the same as used car sellers.

Out of all the manufactures I find Toyota to be one of the cheaper ones for spare parts. Denso are starting to offer their range of direct fit parts at reduced costs through wholesales, theses parts are the same as Toyota fit OEM. One that comes to mind is landcruiser steel rims at $100 per rim from Toyota, a Holden Commodore steel rim for a VE is $265 from Holden.

Australia is more expensive for spare parts then most other parts of the world mostly due to volume and the lack of grey market Parallel importers.

Most who have something fail on their vehicle will not and do not compare it to another vehicle manufacture, we have people coming into our workshop who when given the price they say "that's expensive" and when challenged of how much did you think it would be they reply "oh i don't know but it sound dear".

People set an unjustified price in their own head and then complain with no real comparison or knowledge of what it should cost or cost on another vehicle.......people don't compare apples to apples.

Dealing with the general public everyone is an expert and knows everything, you would swear some are long term professionals in the same field...... They even know stuff I have never known about before and in most cases can tell be how to do the job blind folded or in their sleep, it's hard dealing with experts day in and day out.

We even get customers telling us we are ripping them off because 10 years ago they had similar work done on their Falcon and it was a lot cheaper....... Or the classic one "you only did it last year" ..... Looking back on our system we find we did it 6 years ago and they still don't believe us...... Yes people have short memories and up logical ways of thinking.

It's totally pointless arguing. Facts change, definitions bend, memory fades between posts. Redefinitions occur on the fly. It's like grabbing jelly.

Olcoolone I am only defensive when you make blanket generalised comments without substaniating them. That is what irks me. Also when you claim my comments are based on the fact that I am envious of you. I found that insulting.

Your last followup has a lot of good and relevant comments in it from your first hand experience in your workshop. Thank you for that.

No I have NOT compared every spare part of the Silverado with that of a 200 series. Nor did I say I have. But I have compared the most common used parts ...filters (oil. air, fuel). They are the main ones that interest me in the short term.

Two years ago I bought a second spare for the 200 series before our outback trip. I paid (from memory) over $225 for a new steel rim after ringing many Toyota spare parts dealerships. Its good to see they have come down to $100 as you say.

Cheers

Every thing people post on forums can only be taken with generalised comment followed by a generalised response.

To many take their limit experience as a blanket response and think everything they experience is going to be experienced by everyone else.

No vehicle is good or bad or any cheaper or dearer for parts or labour, most who can afford a Bentley can afford the costs and someone who owns a Great Wall is going to be more money aware then the Bently owner.

If you can not afford a particular vehicle running and main trance then look for something cheaper.

We have people who come in with a 10 year old car and expect repair costs to be on par to the vehicle cost......when you inform a customer with a $1500 VT Commodore repairs are going to be $2000....... Their comment is it's dearer then the car and not worth it, we advise them if they have a spare $20-30000 to spend on something better then the repairs are not worth it BUT if they can only afford a $3000 car then the repairs are worth it. So many do not think logically or know how to.

Lucky light vehicle customers only relate to 20 percent of our work, the rest is between heavy vehicle, heavy plant and mining.

It's getting to a point where most repairers are starting to think it's not worth working on anything 10 years old or older as many will not spend the money.

Btw we have steel rims on our 200 for 2.5 years and there was plenty mentioned about pricing on Lcool.

As for being envious...... It was a generalised blanket comment as every time a post comes up regarding something to do with a 200 series there is alway a load of comments made by people who will never own them repeating comments they heard that in most case are not true or have limited substance.

The 200 are very reliable And have been in the market place for 6.5 years........ The same comments were made about the 80 series and the 100 series that have been shown to be untrue.

The Hilux was another one that suffered this forum fate, the Hilux is coming up to 9 years old in current form And has shown over that time to be very reliable with limited problems.

End of the day Toyota do build good reliable vehicles that stand the test of time.

Thankyou debaters, we've had about enough and so has the OP. Perhaps you could take your headbutting off line.

The Modsquad

The people vote is what counts and I can't believe there are so many WRONG new car buyers out their who don't know what they are doing.

2012 sales figures - Toyota 200 series 10892 - Nissan Patrol 3207

2013 sales figures......
April - Toyota 200 series 926 - Nissan Patrol 136
May - Toyota 200 series 845 - Nissan Patrol 201
June - Toyota 200 series 767 - Nissan Patrol 183
July - Toyota 200 series 686 - Nissan Patrol 198
August - Toyota 200 series 822 - Nissan Patrol 119
September - Toyota 200 series 838 - Nissan Patrol 118
October - Toyota 200 series 640 - Nissan Patrol 136
November - Toyota 200 series 554 - Nissan Patrol 153

Some more information.......
Secondhand with between 60000-130000 kilometers
Toyota 2008 200 series GXL sell for $55000-$72000 - new $81000.
Nissan 2008 Patrol series ST sell for $25000-$35000 - new $54000.

Looking at these figure the Patrol has a worse resale value then the 200 series - Information from car sales.com.au

I still can't believe how many stupid new car buyers there are out there and figures don't lie........ Must be like the stupid people who voted Liberal in hey!

All new vehicles loose money and it doesn't take a Rhodes Scholar to understand that.