MacCoupler

Yes. It is for the green Coleman bottle, net contents of just under .5Kg. Regards G.T.

Yep, like Bill wrote. I have the coupler and a set of the brass caps.

It works brilliantly. Haven't spent $10 on a new Coleman cartridge for over a year :D

Am I able to get a site where I can order one of these from someone please.
Cheers Pete.

Buy on Ebay from MacCoupler direct from memory! Michael

I just bought this one.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/MacCoupler-Propane-Refill-Adapter-for-Small-Coleman-type-Bottles-Mc-Mac-Coupler-/321105105901

Cheers.

Yes thats the one, Just stick them in the fridge for 20 minutes, invert the bottle, screw the empty on, turn the valve on and wait 60 seconds and Presto! Michael

Thanks guys, I was having trouble trying to find it and if I waited for the minister of defence to get back I would have to spend two days trying explain why I should get one.
Pete

Unfortunately mobs like coleman probably have their own special fit canister so you can't buy a decent permanent bottle.

Obviously common sense is needed, inspect the bottles regularly and maybe dispose of them after so many refills or years.

Mine will be carried in the tray of my ute.

Cheers.

Coleman have a gas lead available that attaches to a standard companion bottle.

I've just had a good look at this Gasmate coupler, and the various things it would connect to, and I think a short hose would be required. You know, the type that runs from the gas bottle to a portable BBQ, except the end that would normally go into the BBQ would go into this gadget, and then to the small Coleman bottle.

Try at your own risk, OF COURSE.

I am absolutely certain that 95% of us would not have either the knoweledge, ability nor the equipment to assess the fitness and safety of a gas bottle for refilling although probably 30% think they do and the law and the very large penalties reflects that.

If ya wanted a refillable bottle...well parhaps you should have baught a device that uses one.

NOW what would be usefull would be an properly contrived adaptor that allows a standard format refillable bottle to be used with devices intended for disposable bottles.

cheers

Coleman make an adapter hose about 6' long which does the purpose. I got mine at a shop in Maryborough abt 5 years ago. It's even stamped just for you Bantam as complying to AUS/NZ Standards.

Exactly as it should be.

So why are people so exited about reusing something that is intended for a single use.

cheers

I guess I'm excited about the amount of over-regulation, and the propensity of a "one size fits all" mentality amongst Govt Authorities.

I've cut open numerous "disposable", "one-use" Bernzomatic and MAPP gas canisters (using a safe method - an air chisel) so I could include the steel in an acceptable form in scrap shipments.

In every case, even though the canister was sometimes up to 7 yrs old, they were in perfect condition, internally and externally, and were more than capable of being re-used.

Now, I have a Tyre-dealer mate who got seriously hassled by a machinery inspector over a need for his air compressor tank to be inspected. He told the inspector in no uncertain terms where he could go.
The inspector got exceptionally threatening and told him he'd come back with a warrant, so he could force his way into the premises for air tank inspection.
Tyre mate says, "Fine! While you're at it, I have about 400 UNTESTED and UNCERTIFIED AIR TANKS in my yard, all holding up to 800kPa in pressure at times, and over long periods!"

The inspector went, "Where?? Where??" - and my mate turns around and points out the 400 truck tyres in his yard.

"They're all uncertified and untested, and they all hold exactly the same pressure as my air tank! - and you're happy enough to drive right alongside them for kms along the highway, as they are additionally bashed and thumped, and placed under heavy loading, that DOUBLES their pressure at transient points!!"

He said the inspector turned on his heel without a word, and got in his car and drove away, and never came back.

Now, I dunno about you, Bantam - but I'll take my chances with a teensy little gas canister that I've physically inspected and checked for damage, corrosion and dents - which holds about .5kg of gas at about 600kPa when full - as against driving right alongside a dodgy, damaged semi-trailer tyre, travelling at 100kmh on the hwy.

I know what has the greater ability to burst without warning - and I'd be pretty safe in saying many, many more truck tyres burst each day - in comparison to the number of disposable gas canisters that burst each day.

Yet, tens of thousands of people are risking their lives every day - pumping up truck tyres - standing alongside heavily-loaded hot truck tyres - driving alongside heavily-loaded, spinning truck tyres - and there's not a single regulation to prevent all this potential death and injury??

Sorry but what a complete load of illogically reasoned hog wash.

Truck tyres have nothing to do with gas bottles or air compressors..

Firstly truck tyres and air compressors do not contain flamable gas.

Secondly truck tyres and compressors are specifically designed and fit for the purpose in which they are used....AND they are covered by regulations and work practices appropriate.

As far as risk is concerned, particularly to the general public.

Gas bottles and the carrage of gas containers in vehicles is a risk that has proven to require regulation and every year there are gas fires and explosions due to neglect and people thinking that they personally know better. There are a few spactacular events that get reported in the media and many more that don't.

The single predominating risk from gas containers is leakage of the flamable contents, not the performance of the container as a pressure vessel.

The second predominating risk from gas containers is explosion when the container is exposed to fire.

The durability of the actual pressure vessel is very rarely an issue in recertification of gas continers designed for reuse.

The two predominating issues are the valves & seals and the high temperature pressure relief valve.


These disposable containers will have seals that are designed to reliable for a dozen or so connections and disconnections to the equipment and a few years on the shelf..

The refillable containers have valves & seals that are designed to be relaible over a 10 year period and to be connected and disconnected many many times..


Now back to the matter of compressors and truck tyres.
There are regulations and work practices covering both.

All compressor tanks sold in Australia are required to be manufactured to Australian standards, tested and marked as such.
Compressor tanks over a certain capacity ( the figure illudes me for the moment) are required to be periodically inspected and recertified.

The reason for this is that as the air volume increases, the potential energy contained in that tank increases considerably.
Anybody with an understanding of faiures in high pressure air systems will tell you that rapid release of energy stored in compressed air can deliver extraordinary amounts of instantanious power.

Further compressor air tanks are cycled many times each day and internal corrosion is very much an issue.
If you have a large compressor in your business, you have rocks in your head not to have it inspected regularly.

On the matter of truck tyres.
The truck tyre is specifically designed for its purpose and there most definitely ARE regulations and work practices pertaining to truck tyres.
Every thing about the truck tyre and how it is used is regulated and standardised.

All but the most ignorant, in the heavy transport industry are aware of the basic risks associated with air pressure in truck tyres.
Many would not be aware of the regulations and standards because they will mostly be aplied at a higher level than their involvement with the tyre.

If you are affraid of trucks there are plenty of other things to be affraid of before you worry about a tyre exploding on a truck you happen to be near.

There are not a great number of incidents of truck tyres exploding and harming motorists.
There are plenty of other issues, many of them the motorists fault that happen every day.
In the last month I have seen two incidents where motorists have pushed their luck and been snotted by trucks.

cheers

It sounds like The Bantam is a chicken.

Sounds like the Bantam does not take unnecessary risks.

Bantam is not a Goose ? Nigel may have a headache..:)

Cheers
Greg

Have a look at the home brew shops...perhaps a little large.
Some of the plastic jerries have large openings.
Some of the plastic tanks/bottles that food and chemical products cme delivered in have large screw top openings.

Maybe visit a tank and drum recycler that also handles plasitcs.

cheers

On Ebay it mentions 20,30 40 lb bottles can be used to fill the little canister.

Can a 3kg bottle be used?

Yep, 3kg bottle OK but you would need an additional adapter.

The MacCoupler has a POL fitting to connect to the supply bottle.
3kg bottles have a 3/8 LH fitting, so you would need a 3/8" to POL female adapter.

4kg bottles utilize a POL fitting as standard and is the ideal size to use, bearing in mind you need to invert the supply container to allow the liquid gas to flow into the Coleman bottle.

Pull a shower hat over the top of the open bucket & it will keep out the airborne contamination, which will most land on you while you are showering !

Thanks Sandman

Appreciated.

They were $5.50 in Rays 5 years ago, so looks like they double in price every 5 years, people will look for alternatives at that rip off rate.

Just so people realise Coleman make them as do Companion and Benzo..

Used all and refilled with no issues ...