80 series cold starting sytem, is it needed? its fallen apart and cant

Submitted: Thursday, Feb 06, 2014 at 20:23

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Member - Geoff 17

Hi All
The trusty old 80 has a problem the cold starting system bolted on the side of the injector pump. It developed a nasty rattle and found the shaft holding the linkage brackets is badly worn and the linkage brackets slots have worn almost round allowing the shaft to rotate and then it not sitting in the right spot in the pump and then coming into contact with ? and vibrating.
Diesel bloke recons don't need them in Aussie??? But will it lead to tears if we just plate over it as he suggests and one day in the snow she no start?
No parts in Australia available (havnt tried wreckers, but like needle in haystack I guess)

Regards
Geoff

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Reply By: John and Regina M - Thursday, Feb 06, 2014 at 23:40

Thursday, Feb 06, 2014 at 23:40

You don't trust your diesel bloke?
You're asking for specialised advice on a general exploring Aus forum?

Hmmmmmm

I'd go with the expert.

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Follow Up By: Member - Geoff 17 - Friday, Feb 07, 2014 at 16:45

Friday, Feb 07, 2014 at 16:45

Hi John
Take your point but have often got some great advice from forums, the issue is the diesel bloke cant answer the question if it will ever give issues in snow or frosty situations, other wise he is confident will be no issue.

Regards;Geoff

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Reply By: Malcolm 02 - Friday, Feb 07, 2014 at 00:07

Friday, Feb 07, 2014 at 00:07

When I worked on a NT mine we occasionally had problems with the same linkage, we removed it with no further problems. I cant advise on the colder southern states though but I would tend to agree with the advice of your mechanic.

Mal

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Follow Up By: Member - LeighW - Friday, Feb 07, 2014 at 09:33

Friday, Feb 07, 2014 at 09:33

If left parked overnight in the snow then it might be an issue, do you leave it parked in the snow though?

You could always pour boiling water over the engine if desperate.

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Follow Up By: Member - Geoff 17 - Friday, Feb 07, 2014 at 16:39

Friday, Feb 07, 2014 at 16:39

Hi
we rarely get to the snow.
We live in desert with winter lows of minus 4 or 5 at worst.
I guess that's my worry, if went fine mostly but then caused issues in extreme cold.
My diesel bloke now found bits over seas Nippon denso for $540, so ???
The trouble I think started a couple of years ago we found the nut had come off and I added another thinking all was well but I think the linkages + shaft must of worn while nut was off for unknown time and now its just got worse to the point where the shaft is allowed to twist to an incorrect position due to the wear.
regards'Geoff

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Reply By: Member - PJR (NSW) - Friday, Feb 07, 2014 at 10:20

Friday, Feb 07, 2014 at 10:20

I'd go wtith the mechanic. Try the wreckers.

We had a lot of ice on the car one morning in Alice Springs. How cold does it get in the deserts.

Go with the mechanic mate.

Phil

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Reply By: pop2jocem - Friday, Feb 07, 2014 at 11:33

Friday, Feb 07, 2014 at 11:33

Not sure how cold it would need to get to need the extra start up fuel but I am pretty sure that as long as your glow plugs if it a 1HZ or the "toaster element" in the air inlet manifold if a 1HD (TURBO) is working you won't need it.
As far as getting parts, did you go to a fuel injection specialist or a general diesel mechanic. Not trying to cast any aspersions but I was not aware that you could not get parts now for those pumps.
Extreme cold starting could be taken care of with an aerosol can of Aerostart or one called Start ya Bastard. Be very careful not to get too carried away with how much you use. A short sniff is all the engine would ever need unless another problem is present.

Cheers
Pop

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Follow Up By: Member - Geoff 17 - Friday, Feb 07, 2014 at 16:59

Friday, Feb 07, 2014 at 16:59

Hi Pop
Yes it is a Turbo one.
Diesle bloke is injection specialist, he is chasing Nippon Denso parts from suppliers, which also have Toyota parts # cross references which I can locate on the Toyodiy site, but when I spoke to Toyota they said that model parts listing for Australia shows no parts only option = New pump.
He kind of recons its there to meet emission levels as much as cold starts????
Not sure, wont know until it causes and issue I guess. Kind of like to keep all things as per std, but if not needed = waste of $
regards
Geoff

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Follow Up By: pop2jocem - Friday, Feb 07, 2014 at 20:24

Friday, Feb 07, 2014 at 20:24

Hi Geoff,

I have one of those 1HD-FT engines in my old ute. I haven't even connected the "toaster element" in the inlet manifold to the wiring harness. It starts fine even in cold weather. Not sure about snowy weather though...lol I avoid that like the plague. I thought the aneroid setup on top of the pump did all the emission control, smoke minimisation stuff and the extra startup fuel was taken care of by the bits that have failed on yours but my memory....well, let's just say "she ain't what she use to be".
Good luck mate, hope you find the parts, might need some myself if I keep the old girl long enough.
Hmmmm wonder if a juiced up 1HZ pump would do the job????

Cheers
Pop

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Follow Up By: Member - Geoff 17 - Sunday, Feb 09, 2014 at 16:27

Sunday, Feb 09, 2014 at 16:27

Hi Pop
I don't know enough about the pump and its working and so would say you may well be right.
Maybe the bit I have issues with are more important for cold starts than your toaster element ???
I wonder if the older 2 H and 12 HT motors have same kind of set up?
Still me confused, $540 sound a lot but not if she gets stuck some where cold as!

regards
Geoff

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