Engineering certificate for seats

Submitted: Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 10:40
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Has anyone had to get an engineering certificate for recaro seats recently. I'm after an approx cost? Was it a pain or relatively easy? I'm in NSW
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Reply By: Mudguard - Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 10:47

Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 10:47
Hi Phil, the seats and the mounts are an ADR item, no cert req
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Follow Up By: phil - Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 11:04

Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 11:04
This is what I thought Mudguard.....but I have heard a mixture of information... Even a recaro distributor said " technically they should be certified by an engineer" if they are non factory item. I particularly don't want the added cost but wonder what would happen if I had a bad accident and hurt someone...
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Reply By: Nomadic Navara - Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 11:28

Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 11:28
There is a very good page on the RMS site - Vehicle Safety Compliance Certification Scheme The links on that can lead you to some good information on your subject.

You could also ring one of their certifying engineers ans see what they have to say - List of Engineers
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Follow Up By: phil - Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 12:10

Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 12:10
Some good reading there Peter D, thanks ,,,I can see Mudguards point... About ADR rules... A little confusing. And can be interpreted many ways ... Obviously most engineers will say they have to be certified as it's money in their pocket. I guess a phone call to the RTA technical line is a sure way to be certain... Thanks again
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Reply By: rumpig - Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 12:15

Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 12:15
if you're using a Recaro base with a Recaro seat i can't see it being a real costly exercise. i know i'm in Qld, but i made my own bases for my front SAAS seats and the engineer charged me something like $120 or $150 to mod plate my vehicle for the seats and going from a 6 seater vehicle to a 5 seater. i then had to visit Qld transport and fill in some paperwork, but no further costs were involved.
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Reply By: Member - Tony (ACT) - Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 12:22

Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 12:22
I had a pair of Recaro's fitted by ARB a so called approved installer. I think that's what is required, "to be fitted by an approved installer"

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Reply By: AlbyNSW - Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 12:46

Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 12:46
Ask the Australian representative for Recaro, I am sure they would be across the issue and give appropriate advice, asking one of their resellers would be a lucky dip in getting the correct answer
Even idol so need certification Recaro would be able to put you in the direction of an engineer who is familiar with their product
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Reply By: CSeaJay - Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 15:29

Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 15:29
Phil

I do not know what the legal requirements are but I have installed a recaro into my 200 LC through ARB some three months ago
A modification certificate was definitely required. The mod plate is poprivited onto my car.
As others said it is simply a bolt - off and bolt - on affair
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The side airbag in the seat had to be connected by soldering the new cables onto the old plug.
Maybe in my case the airbag was the straw that tilted the installation onto a certifiable item
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Follow Up By: Mudguard - Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 16:40

Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 16:40
That's right if its a straight bolt on affair ok but if its integrated into the vehicles safety system you'll need that piece of paper.
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Follow Up By: Ozhumvee - Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 19:23

Saturday, Feb 08, 2014 at 19:23
Any changes to seating require an engineers certificate regardless of whether airbags are involved or not.
I've fitted aftermarket seats to a half a dozen vehicles over the years and all have required certification. Recaro will probably already have certification/compliance for some models if they have supplied them for OEM use.
As you are probably aware the seat and frames on a Recaro are probably ten times stronger than a standard Toyota seat, had a friend have a big prang in his troopy with Recaro's fitted and the seats stayed intact but the Toyota mounts peeled out of the floor.
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Reply By: phil - Friday, Feb 14, 2014 at 18:32

Friday, Feb 14, 2014 at 18:32
Thanks guys, I will buy the seats as they are a good deal, and probably get them certified, to eliminate the risk....
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