NSW and Bullbars - Fines etc

Submitted: Thursday, Feb 19, 2004 at 20:25
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ya better check out ur bullbars, i read in the paper that they're gonna bring in a $225 fine with 3 license points for "unsafe" bullbars and other illegal protrusions...

if ur booty-fab bar doesn't meet the standards, that's a bit of a hit to take that many points
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Now who decides what is safe and whats not???

one bloke mentions
"my cruiser got defected for sharp edges on the standard rear bar.
I was like, 'the bar is standard mate, take it up with toyota' "
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Reply By: Member - Jack - Thursday, Feb 19, 2004 at 20:30

Thursday, Feb 19, 2004 at 20:30
I'd love to believe it was a safety issue - but then we have (1) hospitals in crisis, (2) Redfern, (3) stupid Land Taxes ..... and Bob Carr is event thinking of declaring my front lawn a National Park.
: )
Jack No trees were harmed in the making or sending of this message.
However a great number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Thursday, Feb 19, 2004 at 21:09

Thursday, Feb 19, 2004 at 21:09
exactly.

Redfern is going to be rebuilt out of the ATSIC budget isnt it?
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Follow Up By: ThePublican - Thursday, Feb 19, 2004 at 21:27

Thursday, Feb 19, 2004 at 21:27
Truckster [vic] the real one ??? Redfern Wont be rebuilt out of the ATSIC budget at all ,,,, It will be financed from YOURS and MINE and all taxpayers resourses,,,,,mores the pity,,,, in the words of Lang Hancock ,"give our aboriginals all the land that they demand,,give them ALL of of western Australia if need be,,give them all the "because im black " 'rights ' just put a bloody big fence around it and let them live as they did in 1770,,,20yrs no longer a problem....
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Thursday, Feb 19, 2004 at 21:30

Thursday, Feb 19, 2004 at 21:30
Atsic get their coin from us anyway .. :( Its a no win for us situation anyway you look.
I like the bloke that wants to bulldoze it, then ship them all back to Walgett... They wanted their land back, let em live on it.
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Follow Up By: Member Colin - NSW Bungendore - Thursday, Feb 19, 2004 at 22:15

Thursday, Feb 19, 2004 at 22:15
Apart from the saftey issue related to BULL bars - what has any of the rest of this post got to do with this forum ?

Lets keep subject matter to the site title - ExplorOzSubaru Forester
"size isn't everything"
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Thursday, Feb 19, 2004 at 22:36

Thursday, Feb 19, 2004 at 22:36
Col,
The fact that the Gov wastes money on bull bleep is part of the arguement, then to pay for that they have to rip off the tax payers with other Non Taxes... We are gettin shafted... since they cant ban bullbars, lets kill them off with some bollox rule that we can exploit at will...

This fine is one of those "innocent" non Taxes that we are going to get raped for.

Now again, who decides what is an unsafe bullbar? The cops who have quotas to fill? or common sense? You tell me.
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Follow Up By: Member - Eskimo - Friday, Feb 20, 2004 at 08:25

Friday, Feb 20, 2004 at 08:25
colin
any thing typed on here is legitmate
if you dont like it ...dont read it!
this is site full of information and not all of it has to be about 4wd and or exloring oz.
As i have said in an earlier post...if you learn just one thing today (and it doesnt have to be about Exploreoz or 4wd) then the day hasnt been a loss!Wow, am I cute! The extra long legs are built-in prevention against ducks disease. Great looks and a real goer. Doesnt waddle along like some.
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Follow Up By: Mad Dog Morgan (Geelong) - Friday, Feb 20, 2004 at 13:03

Friday, Feb 20, 2004 at 13:03
Yeah kewl and of course we read stuff everyday we don't like but how the hell are we supposed to know we don't like it without reading it. BEAM ME UP SCOTTY


Hooroo
Ray
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Reply By: Member - StevenL - Thursday, Feb 19, 2004 at 22:20

Thursday, Feb 19, 2004 at 22:20
Hey Truckster,

I can just see Toyota giving me a Factory bullbar that does not meet regulations. The lawyers would have a field day on that one after the fact.

Retrospective legislation is always tricky, it is difficult to take away what you already have as opposed to not allowing future entitlement (I can just see the current crop of MPs giving up their 51% taxpayer subsidised super scheme).

You can only comply with the regulations in effect at the time.

StevenLPlaydoe GXL TD Manual
It's on order, Delivery in April '04.
This pic will have to do till then. Can't wait!!!
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Thursday, Feb 19, 2004 at 22:41

Thursday, Feb 19, 2004 at 22:41
Steve...
It was a rear bar, and as I said, its up to interpretation... Whose is what I wanna know.
They can say your headlights arent good enough if "THEY" want.... "THEY" can do pretty much what they like to issue you with a fine, like the spashing mud on someone waiting for a bus ??? $125!!

On another subject, talkin to a bloke at Wandin in the Paj club, his Mighty playdoe blew the complete front end and transfer case under 30,000klms! CV's C&P the lot..

$20,000 repair bill..

he got Warranty, but he traded it in the day he got it back! Dont blame him.. BUt he got a 3.0 GU!!! Talk about from the pot into the fire...
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Follow Up By: Member - StevenL - Thursday, Feb 19, 2004 at 22:59

Thursday, Feb 19, 2004 at 22:59
Truckster,

Your views on the 3.0 Nissen product are well known. Lots of luck to your friend on that one!

I'll take the punt on the Prado. I have a friend who is very happy and given that they are selling well over 1,000 a month I'll go with the flow!

Did you do the trip to Cameron Corner? How did it go?

StevenLPlaydoe GXL TD Manual
It's on order, Delivery in April '04.
This pic will have to do till then. Can't wait!!!
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Follow Up By: Nomad - Friday, Feb 20, 2004 at 00:23

Friday, Feb 20, 2004 at 00:23
Yeah Truckster give a break on the 3lt Patrol. I've got one. A 2000 model. Done 70,000K and hasn't even burped. Got an extended warranty for $900 (about the cost of a major service). If they will warrant my vehicle for 5 years/150,000k then I'm happy.
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Reply By: ThePublican - Thursday, Feb 19, 2004 at 22:26

Thursday, Feb 19, 2004 at 22:26
Colin in reply to what has Redfern got to do with so called unsafe bullbars,,, the people whom WE pay to protect and serve our communal interests NEEDED but did not have bullbars on their vehicles to protect them from the Redfern wildlife.,,,
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Reply By: Member - StevenL - Thursday, Feb 19, 2004 at 22:51

Thursday, Feb 19, 2004 at 22:51
If you want to relate the Redfern issue back to Bullbars and 4WDs in general then perhaps you should look at what happens "up north". I have been to an aboriginal mission and seen something to break my heart. A row of rolled, bent or otherwise bleep ed Toyotas - none with more than 10,000km on the clock sittng in the paddock rusting away and paid for by you know who - you!

Its is the same with boats on the beach. There is that much money going around that these things are used until they are stuffed - no maintenace or care - and then left on the side of the road or on the beach. Then the guverment provides a new one!

Meanwhile I am paying tens of thousands in tax to keep this going.

The indiginous culture may have problems and i am all for helping out BUT while I see my tax dollars being wasted like this it does dull my enthusiasm!
Playdoe GXL TD Manual
It's on order, Delivery in April '04.
This pic will have to do till then. Can't wait!!!
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Follow Up By: Nomad - Friday, Feb 20, 2004 at 00:26

Friday, Feb 20, 2004 at 00:26
Don't want to get into a coloured fight here Steve, - but I gotta agree with all your saying mate. Two rules in this country, - one for them and none for us.
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Follow Up By: Member - Bradley- Friday, Feb 20, 2004 at 09:22

Friday, Feb 20, 2004 at 09:22
Yeah , a mate of mine was flying charters out of Kunanurra at the top of wa, all the pilots up there do a few low passes when they see a car stationary on the side of the road, a lot of the time they are new toyos that have been driven until they run out of fuel, then left with the doors open and abandoned. They can call some people who pay well for the location and come and give them a good home ( if you know what i mean) He also had to do many charters in a twin engine lasting hours, to deliver a carton of ciggies - yes all willingly paid for by the taxpayers rulers. Fair ol eyr opener goin on up there...Just killin time till easter...............go and play in the dirt, instead of workin in it......
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Follow Up By: Willem - Friday, Feb 20, 2004 at 12:06

Friday, Feb 20, 2004 at 12:06
That's the way the system works......if you don't like it then go and live somewhere else.....our tax dollars pay for lots of things most of them positive stuff. All you can do if you do not underdstand the indigenous culture is to laugh about what is perceived by some of us as their funny ways....everybody is different....whitefellas do some pretty stupid things as well......
Willem
Out on the Gibber
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Follow Up By: Rojac - Friday, Feb 20, 2004 at 12:58

Friday, Feb 20, 2004 at 12:58
The problem is the government which continually panders to this minority group rather than have them assimilate into society just like everyone else from other countries have had to do.

Their argument about "our land" and the stolen generation, well you notice that there is only interest in land with either pastoral or mineral values, you dont see a rush for marilinga and as far as the stolen generation its probably a good thing as it gave the stolen few a chance of education and a means to break out of the environment.

Its unfortunate that there are no role models for them to look up only white blacks that have a chip on their shoulders and only propagate the vicious circle.

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Follow Up By: Willem - Friday, Feb 20, 2004 at 13:17

Friday, Feb 20, 2004 at 13:17
Rojac....you have a narrow view most likely fired by print and electronic media. As I said in this threas...That is the way the system works.....Like it or lump it !!!!!!!Willem
Out on the Gibber
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Follow Up By: Rojac - Friday, Feb 20, 2004 at 13:22

Friday, Feb 20, 2004 at 13:22
Willem

My narrow view is the reality of the matter...... and yes i am afraid that we all have to like it or lump it!!
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Follow Up By: Willem - Friday, Feb 20, 2004 at 13:32

Friday, Feb 20, 2004 at 13:32
It is YOUR reality Rojac...........Willem
Out on the Gibber
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Reply By: Rojac - Friday, Feb 20, 2004 at 14:06

Friday, Feb 20, 2004 at 14:06
Willem

What lala land do you live in, one that all things are equal and fair, where there is no discrimination, no abuse, no drug problem, no crime where a fair days work deserves a pair days pay, then go on living in your ideal world but please do not read the papers, the news as there may be items which may disappoint you.

all the best
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Follow Up By: Willem - Friday, Feb 20, 2004 at 19:28

Friday, Feb 20, 2004 at 19:28
Rojac,

Leave your racist sentiments for other forums not here on EO. I am not living in lala land but object to you putting your extreme views on this, which for all intents and purposes, is a four wheel drive, camping and travel forum. You do not know who you are conversing with. I may be an indigenous person or have indigenous family. I do not appreciate your extreme views relating to indigenous matters. Apart from that those views have nothing to do with this forum.

Take note StevenL and Truckster(Vic)Willem
Out on the Gibber
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Follow Up By: ThePublican - Friday, Feb 20, 2004 at 21:11

Friday, Feb 20, 2004 at 21:11
Willem,, all your posts , all your advise , is and has been taken for what it has been relevant to,, Your opinion on all matters are and allways will be taken as 1 mans opinion,, be they right or wrong ,, black , white , or brindel we are ALL entitled to our own thoughts on any and all, yes this forum is 4x4 biased, YET the overall purpose is to promote the exploration of this country of ours be it in Redfern or on the Birdsville track,,,, Willem be you black , yellow ,white , red , dalmation,, you cannot condone the behavior of the youth and {SOME} adults of Redfern.
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Follow Up By: Willem - Friday, Feb 20, 2004 at 21:17

Friday, Feb 20, 2004 at 21:17
The Publican

You missed the point, mate.Willem
Little Dip Cons Park S.A.
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Follow Up By: ThePublican - Friday, Feb 20, 2004 at 21:28

Friday, Feb 20, 2004 at 21:28
Willem,, I got the point , just seems some cant or will not live and let live to the rules/ laws to benifit ALL Australians be they any colour of the rainbow.
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Follow Up By: Willem - Friday, Feb 20, 2004 at 21:44

Friday, Feb 20, 2004 at 21:44
The Publican,

The point I am making is that one should keep political, religious and racist views away from this forum. All kinds of bigotry exists in peoples minds and while there is free speech in this country and while we operate as a perceived democracy, I am of the opinion that what has been said about indigenous people within this thread is not necessary on this forum !!!

Willem
Little Dip Cons Park S.A.
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Friday, Feb 20, 2004 at 21:51

Friday, Feb 20, 2004 at 21:51
What am I taking note of? The fact that if I disagree with something I have to Lump it?

the only people who could not be pi$$ed off with the way things are all for one and not equal, is someone who is on the lucky side of the coin.

Freedom of speech is dead. Happened to a bloke at work, he was called a White *#$(#*&$(#$& and called the other person something, guess who won?

yes I am sick of it. And yes me, and others are allowed a point of view too.
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Follow Up By: ThePublican - Friday, Feb 20, 2004 at 22:27

Friday, Feb 20, 2004 at 22:27
Willem ,, I thoroughly agree that racism and differing religious veiws are not really viewpoints that should be disscussed on this forum,,however 1 thread can and often does lead to an interpolated veiwpoint,,,,, we can all thank whomever god we do or do not follow, that we have that privledge,,,
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Follow Up By: Eric from Cape York Connections - Saturday, Feb 21, 2004 at 14:36

Saturday, Feb 21, 2004 at 14:36
Willem I think you should read answer id 47439 4 of 4 and see what this fellow said in part, of things that he wasnt interested in .

Makes interesting reading dosnt it.

All the best
EricCape York Connections
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Follow Up By: Eric from Cape York Connections - Saturday, Feb 21, 2004 at 14:46

Saturday, Feb 21, 2004 at 14:46
It will de easier to find by going to post 10661 its the 17th heading down it is reply 4 of 4 answer id 47439.
Cape York Connections
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Reply By: Nomad - Friday, Feb 20, 2004 at 23:12

Friday, Feb 20, 2004 at 23:12
Hey Willem

I'm sure your a very nice bloke. Never met you but you gotta be nice.

However mate, DO NOT tell me to go live somewhere else if I don't like the system. Just because it's the system does not make it true and correct. I was born in this country as was my Mum & Dad and their Mums and Dads and their Mums and Dads.

If I don't like the system then it's my right to complain and do everything in my power (legally) to have the system changed. We might have lived off the shep's back for many years Willem, but that does not mean I have to follow blindly every inane idea that some self-centered, money grubbing pollie comes up with. Their agenda is for themselves and their club. Not for you and me. Willem mate, get your head out of the desert sands. Their is a huge amount of inequality in this country. Maybe once it was against the indigenous people but now it's is defenitely against us.

Tell me mate, why should and indigenous person have the right to charge people for driving down"his" road. If I tried that in reverse I'd get locked up. But nothing happens to them.

Sorry Willem. I'm sure you're a well meaningbloke. But you hit a raw nerve.

Time for another beer.
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Follow Up By: Barry F - Saturday, Feb 21, 2004 at 11:13

Saturday, Feb 21, 2004 at 11:13
Obviously you havn't been to a national park or on a tollway yet ?
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Reply By: Diesel1 - Saturday, Feb 21, 2004 at 10:46

Saturday, Feb 21, 2004 at 10:46
I think this thread got a bit out of line, but reading some of the remarks from members has convinced me of one thing - I will not become a member. I have worked in the outback for a lot of years and some of my best mates are indigenous Australians and always will be. I have seen what white European assimilation has done to the traditional owners of this country and it is not good.

I agree with Willem on this issue - keep your rascist remarks off this forum.

Diesel1
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Follow Up By: Barry F - Saturday, Feb 21, 2004 at 11:18

Saturday, Feb 21, 2004 at 11:18
ME TOO! Nothing ever changes when it comes to racism in this country and it bleep 's me to tear's there is good and bad on both sides get over it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Follow Up By: Barry F - Saturday, Feb 21, 2004 at 12:01

Saturday, Feb 21, 2004 at 12:01
Please don't generalise this is a good web site. Barry. (ps Not everyone's perfect !)
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Follow Up By: Eric from Cape York Connections - Saturday, Feb 21, 2004 at 14:38

Saturday, Feb 21, 2004 at 14:38
My wife said she was. And I wasnt to forget it.Cape York Connections
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