New Patrols

Submitted: Saturday, Mar 08, 2014 at 01:45
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My wife & I are thinking about getting a new car. If I had it my way I'd trade in the 80 series & Avalon, and buy a new Patrol.

So yesterday I called up and decided to get a quote. A new Patrol, Automatic, tow bar, bull bar (genuine), rear dust deflector, sandgrabba mats, black duck seat covers, IPF driving lights (free), factory rear diff lock, Grand total of $53,500.

Is there better value than this? I think its great!

I guess I should be asking if Nissan have sorted out their engine issues yet? I've heard blocking the egr valve, oil catch can, bigger zorst will help the life of the engine. Can someone shed light on this?

What would you guy's get if you were getting a new 4wd? I'm a proud Toyota driver but for $20k less than a 70 series you get a very tough and capable 4wd.

Josh
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Reply By: pepper2 - Saturday, Mar 08, 2014 at 08:50

Saturday, Mar 08, 2014 at 08:50
There are fewer catastrophic engine failures in current 3 litre patrols than previously,but they are still being reported.
Fuel consumption,the common rail diesals reportedly use more fuel than the earlier models,my 2007 model auto achived around 6 klm per litre not towing and about 4.5 klm per litre towing small hard floor camper .
Your best source of info is the patrol forum,there are many 1000s of comments ,including many hundreds of owners complaining of excessive fuel consumption.
In my case the dealer was not concerned with my figures.

Resale on 3litre patrols is very low for a large variety of reasons,in comparison have a look at the high resale prices paid for older 4.2 litre patrols.

At the horrible fuel consumption figures i and others report i would have been better to consider the 4.8 petrol.

The model i had is the 4 speed auto ,i think this contributes to the fuel useage.
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Reply By: Tony F8 - Saturday, Mar 08, 2014 at 08:57

Saturday, Mar 08, 2014 at 08:57
Sell the 80 series, may the fleas of a thousand camels infest your nether regions for having such a thought.
Cheers and drive safe.
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Follow Up By: Tony F8 - Saturday, Mar 08, 2014 at 09:22

Saturday, Mar 08, 2014 at 09:22
Ironjosh.
On a serious note, has your 80 failed you, is it still in good condition.
If you have answered no to the first and yes to the second question, why go backwards.
The 80 is the toughest and most capable 4wd in oz, maybe save some money and repower the beast if you need to, fit aftermarket seats if you need to.
I would rather have reliability than looks, particularly when you already have questions regarding it's problems. In 5 years time there will probably not be a great deal in resale on their current reputations.
Cheeers.
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Reply By: Crusier 91 - Saturday, Mar 08, 2014 at 09:31

Saturday, Mar 08, 2014 at 09:31
I have recently met 2 people that have done this with mixed results.
Their wives love the new styled interior, comfort of the new patrol and found it a blessing to trade the 80.
Out on the tracks, the guys wish they never got rid of the 80.
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Reply By: Member - Chris_K - Saturday, Mar 08, 2014 at 09:46

Saturday, Mar 08, 2014 at 09:46
As a Landcuiser person, I'd stick with the Toyota...but that's just me being biased. As mentioned, on the back tracks you may be sorry you got rid of it! If you want good value for money and a reasonable town car as well - the Pajero could also be worth a look? Nice on the blacktop, but needs a bit of suspension work to be a really good bush car.

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Reply By: mikehzz - Saturday, Mar 08, 2014 at 09:48

Saturday, Mar 08, 2014 at 09:48
Seriously, buying a 53K car that you are wondering what you can do to stop its motor from blowing? Granted, the Patrol is a tough rig and better looking, but I think Robin M has the right idea by sticking to and spruiking the virtues of the petrol version. The Patrol diesel's fuel economy and power are not good enough anyway in my opinion. A 3 litre Euro diesel would be putting out near 200kw and 550nm torque while getting 8-9 l/100 km AND not blowing up. However, these problems are why the car is only 53K in the first place.
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Reply By: Alan S (WA) - Saturday, Mar 08, 2014 at 20:27

Saturday, Mar 08, 2014 at 20:27
Josh,
Go the patrol.
Since the crd engine the incidences of engine problems has disappeared. I will be game to say disappeared as they used to be always reported here whenever any one saw a patrol blow a any sort of puff of smoke. And it. Hs been a long time since any reports.
The rate of failure is probably no worst than any other manufacturer.
Don't forget they all have failures, there has been recent threads about a Ranger going through two gear boxes.

I have had 2 patrols and like you have a quote for another. My only complaint is lack of guts towing. I get about 12lt/100 average fuel consumption, but yes if your not carefull you can go through. Lot of fuel.
End of the day my view is $20k can buy a lot of fuel.

Don't let the nay sets put you off.

Alan
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Follow Up By: Member - ironJosh - Saturday, Mar 08, 2014 at 20:41

Saturday, Mar 08, 2014 at 20:41
Well it goes like this- the 80 series is great, but I'm constantly replacing things. It's done 350,000 k's, its gutless, can only tow 2 tonne, needs a paint job badly. Yes, very good offroad and I will say I love the car to bits, but I'm finding myself constantly repairing it.

I fail to see how a new patrol with factory rear diff lock and very good front lsd can be that far behind the 80 series...

As for the questions about the reliability issues- I was talking to a bloke the other day about his 200 series, and he installed an extra fuel filter after the factory one because water in the fuel is a big problem. Need I go into the "lifelong" fuel filter problems with the Hilux. I've come to the conclusion they are all much of a muchness these days.

My Grandfather has had new patrols for 15 years- he's only ever done clutches in the newer ones (from towing and turbo lag)- which is why I'm going auto.

Still thinking about it but good to hear both sides of the story!

Josh
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Reply By: 08crd - Saturday, Mar 08, 2014 at 22:53

Saturday, Mar 08, 2014 at 22:53
Have an open mind, go out and drive everything in your price range, then check the specs.
Then as someone has said, check the price of repowering your 80 series.
As my missus says, put it all down on paper.
What you want to achieve.

It will become obvious, everyone has different requirements. Some want to do all offroad, some want to tow the taj mahal, some want fuel economy. Others want to carry a load of wood in the back, or want to live inner city and go to the 5 star caravan park 60k's out of town.

Work out what you want it to do, then short list all the cars that can do it.
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Reply By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Sunday, Mar 09, 2014 at 08:12

Sunday, Mar 09, 2014 at 08:12
You can do better than buying a Patrol. A lot if choice now or consider a fairly new well loved Land Cruiser. Michael
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Follow Up By: Member - ironJosh - Sunday, Mar 09, 2014 at 08:20

Sunday, Mar 09, 2014 at 08:20
You don't like yours?
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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Sunday, Mar 09, 2014 at 09:24

Sunday, Mar 09, 2014 at 09:24
Love it and had since new,2003! It's got 360,000 and cost nothing other than normal servicing ! It's done heaps of off road and still has the original clutch but it's a 4.2tdi. My next choice would be a Toyota 200 but it's a different league if you get a major problem$$$$$$$! I will probably buy a well loved low k 200 series next if I ever decide to part with my Patrol. Ps, The cost of a brand new crate 4.2 engine is $9000, it can cost more if you stuff a fuel pump and injectors on a 200 series so it's something for me to think about also! Michael
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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Sunday, Mar 09, 2014 at 09:28

Sunday, Mar 09, 2014 at 09:28
Also patrols and land cruisers are not the only contenders but in the big vehicles there is not too much else! Michael
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Follow Up By: mikehzz - Sunday, Mar 09, 2014 at 09:40

Sunday, Mar 09, 2014 at 09:40
A friend's buddy just had catastrophic engine failure in a v8 twin turbo LC at only 160K. Toyota had already rebuilt the motor under warranty due to oil issues. The latest bill $21K...ouch!
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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Sunday, Mar 09, 2014 at 20:41

Sunday, Mar 09, 2014 at 20:41
Don't get me wrong, I love my Patrol, my second new GU 4.2 TD and no problems at all since 1999 over both vehicles but if you are tall, footwell space is very tight and the front seats are ordinary unless they have improved them in the later years. Third row back seats (2) are only good for kids or double leg amputees A highly strung 4 cylinder diesel engine in a 2500 kg vehicle is not my ideal set up. Ride is rough but that comes with solid axle i guess but I'm thinking of a bit of comfort when the time comes so it wont be another Patrol. Michael
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Follow Up By: Member - ironJosh - Sunday, Mar 09, 2014 at 21:25

Sunday, Mar 09, 2014 at 21:25
Isn't the new Y62 IFS? Looks pretty capable?
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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Sunday, Mar 09, 2014 at 22:07

Sunday, Mar 09, 2014 at 22:07
Y62 is petrol only with no diesel in the foreseeable future. Y62 is basically catering for the Arab countries and the USA where petrol rules! Michael
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Follow Up By: Member - ironJosh - Sunday, Mar 09, 2014 at 23:06

Sunday, Mar 09, 2014 at 23:06
petrol power vs diesel reliability vs petrol cheap repair costs vs diesel high repair costs.... I don't see any real advantage either way these days since the price of diesel has sky-rocketed.. At the moment a petrol hilux (for example) would be cheaper in the long run due to cheaper repair costs and less load when towing.... Just a thought.
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Follow Up By: Lyn W3 - Monday, Mar 10, 2014 at 08:15

Monday, Mar 10, 2014 at 08:15
Just remember that the Y62 ONLY runs on Premium Petrol.
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Monday, Mar 10, 2014 at 14:19

Monday, Mar 10, 2014 at 14:19
While I still don't think any of the new offerings stack up well against the 4800's I like, the Y62 is quite interesting, actually using less fuel than the 4800 but its worth noting Lyn that the premium fuel it needs can be the cheapest.

This is because most E10 is actually 95 octane , and average power/fuel loss appears around 3% car dependant.
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Reply By: Member - ironJosh - Sunday, Mar 09, 2014 at 08:31

Sunday, Mar 09, 2014 at 08:31
I never knew Patrol's were so un-liked. Got me thinking to keep the 80 and get the woman a bloody camry!
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Reply By: steamfire01 - Sunday, Mar 09, 2014 at 09:16

Sunday, Mar 09, 2014 at 09:16
Hi Josh
The 4 speed auto Patrol is a nice vehicle and well priced as you said. The old engine problems are a thing of the past
One small word of warning, though, if you're towing is that the auto is only rated to 2,500 Kg while the manual is rated at 3,200 Kg.
Check the sticker inside the back door.

Stay safe, it's a jungle out there!
Regards
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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Sunday, Mar 09, 2014 at 11:21

Sunday, Mar 09, 2014 at 11:21
Maybe I'm too practical for my own good! What would a patrol auto box cost to rebuild if it had a major failure? Michael
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Reply By: Isuzumu - Sunday, Mar 09, 2014 at 18:14

Sunday, Mar 09, 2014 at 18:14
Do your self a favour and go and test drive the new Isuzu MU-X, the LS-T top of the line $48K. You will be very surprised and Isuzu (IUA) look after their customers very very well not like Nissan.
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Follow Up By: Member - ironJosh - Sunday, Mar 09, 2014 at 23:19

Sunday, Mar 09, 2014 at 23:19
That's the same as one of those new Colorado 7's. I don't see me cruising the CSR or OTT in that.
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Follow Up By: Isuzumu - Monday, Mar 10, 2014 at 08:06

Monday, Mar 10, 2014 at 08:06
Don't seem to know what these new vehicles are capable of do you?
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