Nissan Patrol Probs

Submitted: Monday, Sep 15, 2014 at 14:02
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Hi All, Hopefully this the right spot for this issue - if not I'm someone will let me know. My daughter has a Nissan Patrol 2003 manual with 180,000km. She has had it for just over a year. She works in remote SA (APY Lands) as a teacher. She rang last night to say the "engine " warning light came on and the vehicle would not go over 80Kms an hour( limp mode?) It rectified itself a short time later. Any clues as to what this would be about? I will be up there at the end of this week but I,m not a mechanic. I would guess some diagnostic machines will be required to see what the problem might be. Any advice/comments/suggestions gratefully received.
Many Thanks
Bruce
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Reply By: Member - Alan H (QLD) - Monday, Sep 15, 2014 at 14:32

Monday, Sep 15, 2014 at 14:32
Is it a 3 litre one?

Alan
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Follow Up By: BassetBruce - Monday, Sep 15, 2014 at 16:25

Monday, Sep 15, 2014 at 16:25
yes. It is the 3.0L diesel. should have put that in.
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Bruce
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Reply By: Member - mechpete - Monday, Sep 15, 2014 at 14:34

Monday, Sep 15, 2014 at 14:34
when the light comes on , it logs a fault code relating to the part of the engine management system where the problem could be .
you need a scan tool to read the fault code
cheers mechpete
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Follow Up By: Member - bbuzz (NSW) - Monday, Sep 15, 2014 at 14:52

Monday, Sep 15, 2014 at 14:52
Is this one of those situations where the battery could be disconnected for a short period, and then reconnected to reset the ECU?

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Follow Up By: BassetBruce - Monday, Sep 15, 2014 at 16:30

Monday, Sep 15, 2014 at 16:30
Thanks machete. I figured it would need some sort of professional to sort it out with the right equipment.Lets hope she can get it to Adelaide in the next holidays to get it sorted. There will be no one north of Pt Augusta with the right equipment I figure.
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Follow Up By: BassetBruce - Monday, Sep 15, 2014 at 16:33

Monday, Sep 15, 2014 at 16:33
oops, my apologies its mechpete not machete! Didn't check the auto correction on PC. My apologies.
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Reply By: Hairy (NT) - Monday, Sep 15, 2014 at 16:29

Monday, Sep 15, 2014 at 16:29
Gday,
Sorry, but if you do a search on 3.0lt TD Nissan youll find more info than you probably want.
And its probably all bad.

Cheers
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Reply By: Bearded Fish - Monday, Sep 15, 2014 at 18:05

Monday, Sep 15, 2014 at 18:05
Bruce my 03 patrol did the same thing. I was told it could be a boost problem so I fitted a boost gauge and found it was spiking at around 25psi ( bad )! I then fitted a Dawes and needle valve making boost control a manual operation. Done around 20,000km since and has had no further problems. Note.....May not be your fix. Kevin
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Follow Up By: BassetBruce - Monday, Sep 15, 2014 at 18:14

Monday, Sep 15, 2014 at 18:14
Thanks Kevin, all ideas are welcome. if she can get it to Adelaide at the next school hols I will pass on all these thoughts to whoever looks at the car. Your previous experience and fix with the same model car will be invaluable I reckon as a starting point for the mechanic.
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Bruce
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Reply By: Motherhen - Monday, Sep 15, 2014 at 22:46

Monday, Sep 15, 2014 at 22:46
Hi Bruce, ours has sometimes had the engine light come on, and 'runs rough'. It has been in very wet weather each time and seems to be related to the moisture. It has always self rectified quite quickly. This has happened only three times in over ten years. Was there weather wet at the time?



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Follow Up By: Crusier 91 - Tuesday, Sep 16, 2014 at 07:32

Tuesday, Sep 16, 2014 at 07:32
Wet weather in remote SA?

Don't think so.
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Follow Up By: BassetBruce - Tuesday, Sep 16, 2014 at 08:17

Tuesday, Sep 16, 2014 at 08:17
Thanks Motherhen - I don't think the weather was wet but I will check.They are about to get into their brief rainy couple of months but I don't think Its arrived yet. This did rectify itself quite quickly it seems as well. Good to hear some reassuring news that it doesn't necessarily mean a catastrophic issue.
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Bruce
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Reply By: freedomseeka - Tuesday, Sep 16, 2014 at 08:20

Tuesday, Sep 16, 2014 at 08:20
Hi Bruce. Have a read here: http://www.patrol4x4.com/forum/diy-modifications-accessories-40/nads-step-step-guide-102148/
Not sure I would be driving it too far without a diagnosis of the problem. Chances are that it may blow in the middle of nowhere.
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Follow Up By: BassetBruce - Tuesday, Sep 16, 2014 at 11:40

Tuesday, Sep 16, 2014 at 11:40
Thanks freedom seeker. Checked the site out. Informative. She may have to chance the drive. She is due back in Adelaide for the school hold. She is 1000km north of Port Augusta and I think diagnostic equip is thin up there. We will all cross fingers , toes etc and hope she can get the vehicle back without a massive incident!!
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Bruce
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Reply By: PeterInSa - Tuesday, Sep 16, 2014 at 14:51

Tuesday, Sep 16, 2014 at 14:51
I agree with freedom Seeker re [Chances are that it may blow in the middle of nowhere.] A tow job would be very expensive,( if not covered by RAA/NRMA etc) plus the cost of fixing up the vehicle. To me you could be virtually writing off the vehicle if this happens.

I ( if it were my daughter) would try and get a loan of a scan tool/cable and post it( insured) up to her and have a mechanic step her thru what is involved to do the scan.

Peter
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Reply By: pepper2 - Tuesday, Sep 16, 2014 at 15:31

Tuesday, Sep 16, 2014 at 15:31
Bruce a scangauge costs under $200 delivered to your place or her place.
Takes a few minutes to learn how to do a scan.

Plugs into the on board diagnostic port that is at the bottom of the steering colum (same as plugging a wire to your computer).

Install the gauge , read what the code is if any then put the code into google to see what it relates to.
Eg ...enter ...what does code xxxc on nissan patrol mean ?

Also a nearby garage may have a similar instrument and do the scan for you for minimal cost.
You dont need a nissan dealer as these scan tools scan many different model vehicles.
We have an unbranded workshop in our area that scans a wide variety of vehicles no problems.
All the best.
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Follow Up By: BassetBruce - Tuesday, Sep 16, 2014 at 16:16

Tuesday, Sep 16, 2014 at 16:16
Thanks pepper2. I'll put some thought into how we might get a scan gauge up to her and get someone to help her through it.
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Bruce
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Reply By: Oldbrowny - Tuesday, Sep 16, 2014 at 16:10

Tuesday, Sep 16, 2014 at 16:10
Do not buy a scan guage, it is not compatible with this model Patrol.

There are a number of reasons that you could have experienced the limp mode. dirty MAF, dirty fuel filter or the dreaded overboost issue.

Please join the Patrol 4x4 forum, there are members in Adelaide who will let you know who the local mechanics are that are experienced in the issues.
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Follow Up By: Oldbrowny - Tuesday, Sep 16, 2014 at 16:13

Tuesday, Sep 16, 2014 at 16:13
Sorry should have mentioned that it is not OBD2 compliant which is why the scan gauge or any generic scan tools will not work.
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Follow Up By: pepper2 - Tuesday, Sep 16, 2014 at 17:41

Tuesday, Sep 16, 2014 at 17:41
Oldbrowney is correct I was wrong it will work only with a later model patrol .
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Follow Up By: BassetBruce - Tuesday, Sep 16, 2014 at 18:42

Tuesday, Sep 16, 2014 at 18:42
Thanks oldbrowny- I will join theforum. She plans to be up there a few more years and the patrol will no doubt have other issues that the forum will be able to advise me on. You have saved me the cost of the scan gauge.
Kind Regards
Alan
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Reply By: Member - P and JM - Wednesday, Sep 17, 2014 at 21:06

Wednesday, Sep 17, 2014 at 21:06
Bruce,

As your daughter works at the APY it could be a rather dirty air filter if the vehicle does not have a snorkel on it. I had the same experience with our 2003 Nissan Patrol on the Oodnadatta track and found out it was the MAF (Mass Air Filter). I cleaned the air filter best I could and purchased a can of Mass Filter Cleaner, removed the MAS filter, gave it a good spray and no further problems.

Without a snorkel the air filter fills with dust from the wheel arch very quickly on dirt roads. The link below is a photo that shows the MAS filter with wires coming out of it. It's located between the air filter and the donk. Hope this is of help.

http://i758.photobucket.com/albums/xx224/tonyh01/P1000895Small.jpg

Cheers P&J
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Follow Up By: Oldbrowny - Thursday, Sep 18, 2014 at 14:45

Thursday, Sep 18, 2014 at 14:45
You will need a torx 20 driver to remove the MAF.
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Follow Up By: BassetBruce - Friday, Sep 19, 2014 at 09:04

Friday, Sep 19, 2014 at 09:04
Many Thanks P&J, very helpful. The Patrol doesn't have a snorkel and she has used it a fair bit up here last term so you could be on to something. I have come up here to have a look at the vehicle. I started it yesterday and ran it for 10 mins at 2500 - 3000 rpm's which is about 110kph in 5th gear. No light no probs. If I can get the MAF off as I have brought up some tools( by the way oldbrowny whats a torx 20 driver?) I will try to clean it. On Checking the manual it could also be a water/fuel filter issue. So i will try to drain that as per instructions in manual.
Kind Regards
Bruce
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Follow Up By: BassetBruce - Friday, Sep 19, 2014 at 09:31

Friday, Sep 19, 2014 at 09:31
Hey Oldbrowny - disregard my comment - looking at the pics provided by P&J I can see what you mean re the torx 20 driver. I reckon I have one in the tools. Brought some Makita speciality drivers a while ago and I think there is a driver head in there that looks like your describing .
Cheers
Bruce
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Reply By: blown4by - Saturday, Sep 27, 2014 at 21:51

Saturday, Sep 27, 2014 at 21:51
Check the vacuum line to the turbo. If it is split you won't get any turbo boost. Also if you don't have a torx bit to suit the MAF, you can access it by removing the 4 x 10mm bolts in the inlet trunk between the air cleaner outlet and the turbo.
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Follow Up By: BassetBruce - Sunday, Sep 28, 2014 at 09:28

Sunday, Sep 28, 2014 at 09:28
will do. I did have the torx bit so I cleaned the MAF up in APY . Light hasn't come on again and car is back in Adelaide thank goodness.
Cheers
Bruce
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