Bullbar tolerances and conditions

Submitted: Monday, Oct 20, 2014 at 21:18
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Some interesting detail concerning the specifications of complying & non complying bullbars.
Hopefully will assist others to understand the concerns regarding frontal protection.

Bullbar tolerances and conditions

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Reply By: olcoolone - Monday, Oct 20, 2014 at 21:39

Monday, Oct 20, 2014 at 21:39
Good read......... But how the B&S feral ute get away with it????

Most quality aftermarket bars comply to the ADR's looking at your link.
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Follow Up By: Ron N - Monday, Oct 20, 2014 at 21:43

Monday, Oct 20, 2014 at 21:43
The blokes with the feral B&S bullbars have 2 years exemption before they have to comply with the regulations.
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Monday, Oct 20, 2014 at 21:59

Monday, Oct 20, 2014 at 21:59
Those "5 poster" bars appear to be the ones that have the issues.
Although there does appear to be a few different versions of those also.

I saw this document and thought it very good at outlining the issues faced by VFPS.

ADR, Aus Standards and a few other state regulations are working against each other. So it's entirely sensible the matter is addressed and the ADR is reflective of the situation in my view.
That way everyone, police, manufacturers and us the consumer will at least be working from the same page.

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Follow Up By: Member - batsy - Tuesday, Oct 21, 2014 at 09:21

Tuesday, Oct 21, 2014 at 09:21
As this document seems to apply to vehicles manufactured after 31/12/2002 what happens to all the vehicles manufactured prior to this date ? They would seem to be the most likely to have non complying VFPS's .
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Follow Up By: AlbyNSW - Tuesday, Oct 21, 2014 at 10:00

Tuesday, Oct 21, 2014 at 10:00
Maybe so Batsy but I guess you have to draw a line in the sand somewhere and get some compliance guidelines.
The other issue probably was that there would be little or no commercially available options available to the older vehicles to obtain compliance?
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Tuesday, Oct 21, 2014 at 15:01

Tuesday, Oct 21, 2014 at 15:01
Pre 2002 vehicles would be exempt is my understanding.

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Follow Up By: AlbyNSW - Tuesday, Oct 21, 2014 at 15:13

Tuesday, Oct 21, 2014 at 15:13
Yes John, that is how I read it too, I was just offering up a suggestion as to why they called the date as they did

I had a closer read and I am exempt from the regs because my vehicle has a GVM above 4.5T
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Follow Up By: The Bantam - Wednesday, Oct 22, 2014 at 17:31

Wednesday, Oct 22, 2014 at 17:31
What date applies and where the line is drawn in the sand is a constitutional matter.

items that comply with previous regulations or where there was an absence of regulation can not be made illegal under regulations that follow.

Vehicles have to continue to comply with the ADRs under which they where manufactured.....this is why all previous versions of the ADRs remain active and continue to be published.

There are certain complications and exemptions...like if you fit a later model engine...generally it is expected that the emissions now have to comply with the ADRs under which that engine is manufactured.

I have not looked up the dates on the ADRs..but you will probably find they....the new ADRs comming into play determine the age of vehicles required to comply.

This is why you can have a great many things existing on a 40 series toyota that would not be permitted on later models.

remember the wording is....." models first manufactured before".....exacty how that plays out in the model range could be interesting.
is the 04 hilux the same model for these purposes as the 99 hilux..that ARE the same vehicle and body shape, but have certain updates arround 2000....so are they the sme model..." first manufactured in 1999"

NOW...many of the bullbar issues raised....like unacceptable protrubances and visual obstructions.....may apply to vehicles a very long way back.

Some of those matters are mentioned in the first edition of the ADRs......some of those matters may even have existed in stste regulations before ADRs existed.

You simply have never been legally able to have sharp, pointy, pokey things on the front of vehicles....yes you can argue about hood ornaments.

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Reply By: Slow one - Tuesday, Oct 21, 2014 at 11:18

Tuesday, Oct 21, 2014 at 11:18
I wonder if the 2 year exemption will apply to the clown I saw this morning with animal horns in front of his bulbar. Then again he may go unnoticed as the Triton was camouflage painted
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Reply By: fredwho - Tuesday, Oct 21, 2014 at 21:54

Tuesday, Oct 21, 2014 at 21:54
Here is a rule I would like to see how they enforce this:



If it is a rule you have when not having a rule then why mention it?

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Follow Up By: The Landy - Wednesday, Oct 22, 2014 at 07:36

Wednesday, Oct 22, 2014 at 07:36
The key word is "solely". If it goes bush once a year it could be argued it isn't solely used in an urban environment.

It is so ambiguous to be irrelevant for most here...

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Follow Up By: AlbyNSW - Wednesday, Oct 22, 2014 at 08:14

Wednesday, Oct 22, 2014 at 08:14
I take this as justification for me to spend more time in the bush ??
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Follow Up By: The Bantam - Wednesday, Oct 22, 2014 at 19:45

Wednesday, Oct 22, 2014 at 19:45
So......there is no definition of "large animal" and that could be argued as being relative.

If there is a great dane in your street that is frequently un restrained......does that constitute likelyhood of coliding with a large animal.

If the vehicle is small.....say one of the minicars.....would a labradoor, be relativly large in relation to the vehicle.

This clause is put there to placate the pedestrian lobby and to cowtow to the europeans.

As far as where this hazard exists......there are many areas close to cities where there are kangaroos, wallabies, deer, horses, cattle and the like in the area.

between my place and the city, there is a high likelihood of encountering wallabies on the road at night...I have hit one...and I live less than 30Km from the GPO.

In fact for a great many vehicles in this country the probability of hitting a "large animal" is far higher than hitting a pedestrian.


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Reply By: BunderDog - Wednesday, Oct 22, 2014 at 23:12

Wednesday, Oct 22, 2014 at 23:12
Here's the scoop from Tuff who it probably effect the most.............

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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Wednesday, Oct 22, 2014 at 23:41

Wednesday, Oct 22, 2014 at 23:41
I wish them well.

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