3ltr patrol towing 2.5 tonne van

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gday people i am looking for people who tow a 2.5tonne van with a 2006 or newer 3ltr patrol. Id like fuel consumption numbers and any mods that people could advise on doing. We are doing the big lap and before we purchase we need some advice.
I realise there are many things that can change the numbers but average will do me fine.
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Reply By: TomH - Thursday, Dec 18, 2014 at 13:32

Thursday, Dec 18, 2014 at 13:32
We had a van of that weight and a Patrol 3L auto As the van was a bit over the 2500kg it was more or less illegal when loaded.


Also we got sick of the Patrol chopping down a gear whenever a upslope appeared on the horizon.
We sold it and bought a 100ser TD Cruiser and couldnt have been happier.

Even the wife said one day "Im really glad we arent doing this in a Patrol".

Doubtless others will rubbish me but thats our view.

I wouldnt do any engine mods on that model either.
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Follow Up By: Trevor B2 - Thursday, Dec 18, 2014 at 13:43

Thursday, Dec 18, 2014 at 13:43
cheers . we would love a 4.2ltr of either make but the $ are a bit high and the kms will be high. there is a few 2008 3ltr for sale aswell are they a better motor with the zd30 euro4
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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Friday, Dec 19, 2014 at 20:39

Friday, Dec 19, 2014 at 20:39
4.2 tdi Patrol engine is reliable but they are gutless, buy a 100 series diesel, much better engine and vehicle. Michael
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Reply By: Bigfish - Thursday, Dec 18, 2014 at 13:54

Thursday, Dec 18, 2014 at 13:54
2.5 TONNE IS A FAIR LOAD BEHIND THAT MOTOR. There are good 6 cylinder cars that are for sale. Don't rush it. The early model Nissan 3.0 lts weren,t called hand grenades for nothing!
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Follow Up By: Trevor B2 - Thursday, Dec 18, 2014 at 14:06

Thursday, Dec 18, 2014 at 14:06
my understanding were that the 3ltr zd30det motors were the time bombs. Are the zd30d and the zd30deuro4 the same aswell.
any info on them would be great.
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Reply By: Wayne J - Thursday, Dec 18, 2014 at 14:17

Thursday, Dec 18, 2014 at 14:17
Hi Trevor
Mate I have a 2007 man patrol and tow a 3.2 t van all over don't have a problem but I have free wheeling hubs fitted if I need to take of in low range on big hills etc also have a diesel smart fuel module on fo the last 40k no probs the kit had 4 settings and works out
Standard 380.00 nm 118.00kw
Increase
Setting 1 15.8% 440.04 nm 136.64 kw
Setting 2 26.1% 479.18 nm 148.79kw
Setting 3 32.9% 505.02 nm 156.82 kw
Setting 4 36.4% 518.32 nm 160.95 kw
I love the patrol but truck like but solid fuel average over 12 mths was 16.7 ltr per hundred about 5mths no towing but little use as we just moved into our house and have another car for town driving.
I'd listen to the guys that have them as well...
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Follow Up By: Trevor B2 - Thursday, Dec 18, 2014 at 14:26

Thursday, Dec 18, 2014 at 14:26
Cheers buddy
yours is a 4.2ltr is it.
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Follow Up By: Wayne J - Thursday, Dec 18, 2014 at 15:27

Thursday, Dec 18, 2014 at 15:27
No mate it's a CRD 3ltr now done 120k and still going good.
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Follow Up By: Nomadic Navara - Thursday, Dec 18, 2014 at 21:28

Thursday, Dec 18, 2014 at 21:28
You can't put a smart fuel module on the 4.2 l motor.
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Follow Up By: Tuco - Thursday, Dec 18, 2014 at 22:10

Thursday, Dec 18, 2014 at 22:10
We also found the shortcomings of our 2011 3.0 CRD manual wagon when towing our Jayco Sterling 17.55 OB on some hills.
A 2.75 Beaudesert exhaust, Diesel Smart Module, EGR block, catch can, snorkel, Dawes valve, EGT gauge were added and the results are shown here ...
Rear wheel power up from 77.7 KW to 116.4KW (+49.8%)
RW Torque up from 240.6 NM to 348.2 NM (+44.7%)
Real seat of the pants increases, with no improvement or decline in fuel consumption.

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Follow Up By: Tuco - Thursday, Dec 18, 2014 at 22:19

Thursday, Dec 18, 2014 at 22:19
Needed to add that I also replaced the Auto free wheel hubs with Manual free wheel hubs. If taking off up a steep hill needs to be done then low range can be used on the tar seal. Also makes reversing easier with less need to slip the clutch.
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Follow Up By: cabhsv - Tuesday, Jan 06, 2015 at 18:01

Tuesday, Jan 06, 2015 at 18:01
Wayne J,
Did you have any other mod to your patrol or was it just the diesel smart fuel module? I have a 2010 CRD manual wagon with snorkel and boost gauge, EGT not yet installed running 2.5" exhaust with standard dump pipe also have a Tunit chip which I haven't installed yet want to have egt probe fitted first.

Tuco,
Did SVS do all your work or did you do it your self as I live in Mossman north of Cairns.
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Follow Up By: Tuco - Tuesday, Jan 06, 2015 at 22:19

Tuesday, Jan 06, 2015 at 22:19
Hi cabhsv.

Yes SVS did all the work on my Patrol.

Unfortunately who ever was involved in doing the work stuffed a number of things up in a big way.

Broke the coolant bottle spigot where the 6mm overflow pipe comes off the bottle. They tried to cover up the damage by superglueing it back together. It didn't work. Initially denied that they damaged it but in the end agreed to replace it with a new bottle.

They did a crap job of fitting the Beaudesert Exhaust. Initially it kept hitting on the rear swaybar. Took it back and they took to it with an oxy and put wrinkle bends everywhere on the mandrel bent exhaust. This second attempt to fix ended up with the tailpipe pulled over so far that it was only 8mm from the tyre! The tyre always ran 10° to 15° hotter than the other 3 tyres. Took it back and the took to it again with an oxy and put more wrinkle bends in it and also bent the muffler hangers. Still less than 20mm from the tyre. We passed through Beaudesert a few months later and took it to the manufacturers. They were appalled at the state of work done by SVS and replaced the damaged tailpipe for free. Replaced the damaged muffler hangers and all sits good now.

The engine kept going into safe mode when under load with the caravan in tow. Took it back to SVS a number of times - not sure what they did, but it didn't fix the problem. Also EGT kept going over 700° on long hills and alarm buzzers drove us mad. Safe mode meant no power and having to find a spot to shut down and restart. Usually happened when there was a 'B' double bullbar in the mirror ! Put up with it, driving us crazy, but eventually took it to Diesel Smart in Mackay who found that all the parameters were set for a Direct Injection model and not our Common Rail ! They also found that SVS has wired it up crap and had a poor earth on the DS module. Has run perfect ever since - no thanks to SVS.

I wouldn't take it back to SVS - too many hassles.
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Follow Up By: cabhsv - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2015 at 20:10

Wednesday, Jan 07, 2015 at 20:10
Thanks for the info Tuco,
I have read up on the diesel smart module and don't mind the look and functions of it so I have contacted them in Mackay to find out more info to try and decide how to go, as I have a chip already but not yet installed and may go for a change of plans I do like the tow functions.
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Reply By: Member - Tricky Dicky (NSW) - Thursday, Dec 18, 2014 at 14:18

Thursday, Dec 18, 2014 at 14:18
Hi Trevor

I tow a 21ft jayco, 2700kg behind my 3lt Patrol (2012 model manual) it tows it ok, can be a little slugish on some hills but I find it does what I want. I drive between 85/90 klm per hour sometimes up to 100 but not often.
I average 17/21 lts per 100 klm which I'm happy with considering the weights.

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Reply By: pepper2 - Thursday, Dec 18, 2014 at 17:19

Thursday, Dec 18, 2014 at 17:19
Lots of great info available for you on the nissan patrol forum .
3 litre common rail patrols are very susceptable to hughly expensive repairs from contaminated fuel amongst other things.(check if your insurance company will cover the cost. It can been reported as being from $12000 to somewhere around $20000.
There are in excess of 800 individual posts complaining of excessive fuel consumption alone.
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Follow Up By: garrycol - Thursday, Dec 18, 2014 at 20:22

Thursday, Dec 18, 2014 at 20:22
No different to any other CRD engine of any brand. Buy any modern diesel and this is a consideration.
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Reply By: Idler Chris - Vic - Thursday, Dec 18, 2014 at 17:34

Thursday, Dec 18, 2014 at 17:34
3 lts pulling 5+ ton is sending a boy on a mans errand IMHO. If it was me I would look at other options.
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Follow Up By: DiscoTourer - Friday, Dec 19, 2014 at 00:30

Friday, Dec 19, 2014 at 00:30
A bit too general.
My 3 litre has 600nms of torque and tows just easy as my previous 200 but without the excessive oil and fuel consumption that she suffered.
Brett...
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Reply By: Trevor B2 - Thursday, Dec 18, 2014 at 17:42

Thursday, Dec 18, 2014 at 17:42
cheers everybody for your help i know you have probably covererd this topic alot and all the info is telling me to spend a bit more on the tug and a bit less on the van.... think its the best option.. when you think about it there is no point havin a really nice van if you cant take it the places to enjoy it....
thamks again
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Follow Up By: Bigfish - Thursday, Dec 18, 2014 at 19:21

Thursday, Dec 18, 2014 at 19:21
Buy a good landcruiser and a smaller pop-top caravan. You,ll spend a lot of time driving and exploring in the car.
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Reply By: Rob J8 - Thursday, Dec 18, 2014 at 20:26

Thursday, Dec 18, 2014 at 20:26
G'day Trevor,
We had a 2004 GU 3litre manual Patrol and towed an 18ft Jayco Heritage van.
we sold the Patrol at around 80,000 km's and bought an auto 2008 Prado D4D.
A mistake, I feel, as the Prado had problems with injectors; although they were replaced at just on 80,000. We decided to replace the Heritage with a 21ft Sterling which was too heavy for the Prado and bought a PX Ford Ranger.
Getting back to the Patrol; It towed my Heritage quite comfortably and averaged 6km's per litre at around 95k/h probably 90 in sat nav terms.
The Patrol is a fairly agricultural type vehicle but did the job and if I had to I would buy a 3 litre Patrol before another Prado as the Patrol is better value if buying new.
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Reply By: patsproule - Thursday, Dec 18, 2014 at 22:18

Thursday, Dec 18, 2014 at 22:18
Have a think about a Pajero. Bulletproof motor, more HP and Torque than the Patrol, similar to better economy, ability to run constant 4WD on tar (great in the wet) and better handling to boot. Try an NT (2010) onwards as they have the uprated motor and transmission and bigger towing capacity.
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Follow Up By: Bobjl - Saturday, Dec 20, 2014 at 20:45

Saturday, Dec 20, 2014 at 20:45
Pajero certainly a good allrounder [I owned three between 2003 and 2009 and had good experience towing medium van 2100kg loaded].
They are better suited to towing Vans less than 2.5 t due to the unusually low Tow Ball Mass limit - 180kg if Van more than 2.5t. 250kg if less than 2.5 t.
As Trevor referring to 2.5 t Van, he would likely overrun those limits and have excess tow ball weight. This tow ball weight issue is more likely to arise if Van has front bedroom and front door which means axles set further back transferring more weight to tow ball.

Establishing the Tow Ball weight/mass of the laden Van, is a critical consideration in what Tow Vehicle to purchase.

Later model IZUZU, Mazda Ford Ranger, Jeeps etc can accomodate more like 3 tonne plus towing capacity and 300-350kg Tow Ball weight.

Perhaps a late model of the above may fit Trevors budget and serve the purpose intended.

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Reply By: Motherhen - Friday, Dec 19, 2014 at 23:09

Friday, Dec 19, 2014 at 23:09
Hi Trevor

We have a 2002 Patrol 3 ltr TD (auto), and started out towing our Bushtracker with it. Happy to share if you want, but you have specifically asked about later models.

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Follow Up By: Trevor B2 - Saturday, Dec 20, 2014 at 18:13

Saturday, Dec 20, 2014 at 18:13
im open to all info. the only reason i was looking at later models because all the talk on the earlier 3ltrs being a bit dodgy. i was unsure if the new 3ltrs with the euro4 are any better,trying to gather as much info as possible. The van we are looking at is a retreat daydream which is at the top of 2.5tonne loaded. so the more knowledge i have on the patrol the better. looking at spending around the 25k mark so the 4.2ltr is out off my price or they 250kms+ on them.
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Follow Up By: Motherhen - Sunday, Dec 21, 2014 at 00:29

Sunday, Dec 21, 2014 at 00:29
Hi Trevor

Ours is January 2002 built, so an early one of the "fixed" series; series III, with series II being the one with the most failures. As an auto it can legally tow 2.5 tonne, whereas the same motor in manual is rated to tow 3.2 tonne.

Our caravan is 3 tonne when loaded for a big trip - something we could not do with the Patrol.

Are young considering auto or manual?

Did it cope with towing? Yes, and if it has its way, would look for its favourite speed of 120 kph :O, on suitable terrain. It was slow on windy hills where you could not get a run-up such as in Tasmania, but these roads would slow most caravanners.

Drawbacks? We did not risk stressing the motor by towing that weight through soft sand or other conditions which would make the motor work too hard. The rating on the gear box is I understand because of the lack of braking ability of the gearbox. With electric braking on the caravan, this was never tested. However the gearbox was tested on two occasions, both after taking a wrong turn, with a standing start at the base of very steep climbs. It was very slow and we believe this was due to the gearbox struggling with the load, almost like driving an auto car into a brick wall; the motor doesn't stall, but the car doesn't go forward very far.

Fuel consumption? When towing our Bushtracker, we averaged 5 kilometres per litre. Not towing 7 - 8 kilometres per litre. Our smaller camper prior to the caravan made some, but not a lot, of difference to the fuel consumption. It is more fuel efficient than our present tow vehicle, an F250.

How did we protect it? In view of the hand grenade tag, even with the later series, we fitted and EGT gauge and if it went too high, cut back on the pedal. Also a boost gauge; again if it went high, cut back.

This vehicle has to be the most reliable we have ever had. Now at 180,000 or so, it has had no mechanical failure or work done other than normal servicing.

I would not like to use a 3 litre for heavy towing long term; it it likely to have a reduce motor life.

The old 4.2 motor goes on for ever, but is a 'slug'.

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Follow Up By: Motherhen - Sunday, Dec 21, 2014 at 00:34

Sunday, Dec 21, 2014 at 00:34
I meant to add that on the two occasions we had the hard climbs, if we had known, putting it into low range at the start would have worked. One was on a windy dirt road, and although the other was on a sealed road, the steep part was only for a short way - and until we could turn around as we had taken a wrong turn.

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Follow Up By: Trevor B2 - Sunday, Dec 21, 2014 at 09:07

Sunday, Dec 21, 2014 at 09:07
We are now looking at the manual because of the 3.2t towing. they seem to be a bit cheaper and like you said with steep starts etc. may be a safer long term option. Do you know if any what difference there is between the zd30det ,zd30d and zd30deuro.
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Reply By: Peter T9 - Sunday, Dec 21, 2014 at 08:49

Sunday, Dec 21, 2014 at 08:49
If your budget doesn't extend to either a 4.2 litre Patrol or a TD 100 series why don't you look at a 100 series v8 petrol.

These can be had very cheaply these days with low k's and you won't have any of the worry of a 3 liitre Patrol or a CRD motor in general.





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Follow Up By: Trevor B2 - Sunday, Dec 21, 2014 at 08:57

Sunday, Dec 21, 2014 at 08:57
in have a 4.8 patrol now and i know the v8 petrol landcruiser is up there with my car with the fuel consumption. My brother sold his 100s v8 because off the fuel reason. I think after talking to knowledgable nomads in my caravan travels the diesel is def the way to go.
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Reply By: granite53 - Tuesday, Dec 23, 2014 at 16:59

Tuesday, Dec 23, 2014 at 16:59
Trevor B2

We've got a 2007 3.0l manual Pootrol. Fitted with 265/70 tyres (standard rims), 3" exhaust with high flow cat converter, no diesel chip fitted, EGT and boost gauges.

Tow a 2012 Windsor Genesis 638s, twin axle, loaded to 2.42T ATM (weighed on public weighbridge at Narellan after our WA trip in 2012 before unloading anything). All up truck and van was 5.28T.

We cruised most times at 85 to 90 kms/hr (used cruise control across the Nullarbor plains) in 4th gear.

Coming up Mt. Victoria (Blue Mountains of NSW) stopped on the steepest part by a truck rollover, had to start in low range (front hubs disengaged) with fully loaded van - no problems - stayed in low range until got to top of hill then back to high range.

Averaged fuel on WA trip (from Camden NSW through SA including Ayre and Yorke peninsulas) to Kalgoorlie, Perth, Albany, Esperance and back home) was just under 20l/100kms. Did 20,000kms with the van in tow for 12,000kms of the trip.

Watch the EGT gauge, drop down a gear when temps get to 550 degrees, watch boost gauge as well.

CRD engines had all the problems of the earlier DID engines sorted out. Install EGT and boost gauge, be sensible about your cruising speed and you'll do well. Change engine oils at 5,000km intervals when towing. Use Caltex Delo 400 or Castrol Diesel oils, use only genuine Nissan oil and fuel filters, use non genuine air filters, change oil filters when changing engine oil.

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