Diesel Fuel De-Bug Unit

Submitted: Sunday, Jan 18, 2015 at 17:11
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I have been researching whether to use an additive to the fuel tanks of the vehicle to ensure no algae forms and I came across this product, Morison Diesel Fuel De-Bug Unit.

Roachie (from Kadina) wrote about it many years ago in this thread, but can't find any more on ExplorOz since this was written.

I am reluctant to use chemical additives in the fuel, and I am still working to understand whether it is actually needed to be added to the low sulphur fuel supplied these days.

Any thoughts on the topic, both on the need to "clean the tanks" and this specific product.

Cheer, Baz - The Landy
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Reply By: The Explorer - Sunday, Jan 18, 2015 at 18:00

Sunday, Jan 18, 2015 at 18:00
Hello

How much of a problem have you had with algae in the past? From what I can gather issues with algae are a very rare occurrence for your average diesel car driver assuming high fuel turnover sourced from normal service stations and a regular service (i.e fuel filter change).

If you source your fuel from some large tank at the back of your farm or have a large boat/ship sitting around for months on end a different story..maybe? Wouldn't bother myself but I could be wrong. Interested to hear other's thoughts.

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Follow Up By: The Landy - Sunday, Jan 18, 2015 at 21:12

Sunday, Jan 18, 2015 at 21:12
Thanks Greg...

Tend to your view on this, but thought it worth investigating.

Cheers, Baz
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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Sunday, Jan 18, 2015 at 21:37

Sunday, Jan 18, 2015 at 21:37
Yes - most definitely. Have never rated algae as an issue but good to to get a review from everyone to get full spectrum of possible issues.

Algae always a problem with the pool but that typically contains no diesel :)

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Follow Up By: AlbyNSW - Monday, Jan 19, 2015 at 12:05

Monday, Jan 19, 2015 at 12:05
If you have a poke around some of the cruiser boating forums I would say it would be a topic of discussion.
Most of these recreational boats carry minimum of 2000 litres with 4 to 6k litres not unusual
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Reply By: Batt's - Sunday, Jan 18, 2015 at 18:06

Sunday, Jan 18, 2015 at 18:06
I've never bought an additive for the purpose or controlling algae growth over the past 25 odd yrs. I have bought Wynn's because "apparently it works" to help clean injectors etc. Currently I'm using CEM fuel additive when I remember to put it in and I've never had any trouble with either causing problem and have never had trouble or replaced or had injectors professionally serviced on any vehicle I've owned. Modern vehicles with their high pressure systems may be more sensitive to fuel quality.
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Reply By: Roachie.kadina.sa.au - Sunday, Jan 18, 2015 at 18:47

Sunday, Jan 18, 2015 at 18:47
Baz,

I haven't fitted another De Bug unit since the last Patrol (the dual cab with 6.5 Chev V8 diesel donk). I left it on that Patrol when I sold it.

As has been said, I tend to agree that you seldom hear of anybody suffering from algae in their diesel these days and if you can stick with buying from high turnover type service stations, then I doubt you would have need for one.

On the other hand, if you were tootling around the outback for a longer period of time and getting fuel from little-known places (eg: aboriginal settlements perhaps), then I would probably be more inclined to get one.

We haven't done much outback touring for a few years now and on the occasions that we have done so, we've always filled up at places like Birdsville where they have a good turnover. The landcruiser has 270 litre capacity, so I can get a fair way without having to go to dodgy places.

Likewise, the new Silverado has good economy and a 210 litre tank so I can go well over 1,000klm between fills.

Cheers mate

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Follow Up By: Member - mark D18 - Sunday, Jan 18, 2015 at 20:00

Sunday, Jan 18, 2015 at 20:00
Roachie

Is 210 litres for 1000 km good economy.????

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Follow Up By: Tuco - Sunday, Jan 18, 2015 at 20:53

Sunday, Jan 18, 2015 at 20:53
21.0 per 100K = 4.76 K to the litre. Bit savage I would have thought. Maybe ok if there is a 3.5 K van in tow.
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Follow Up By: The Landy - Sunday, Jan 18, 2015 at 21:11

Sunday, Jan 18, 2015 at 21:11
Thanks Roachie

And I have been inclined to that thinking, but it came across my desk, so to speak, so thought I would look into it.

As suggested, I don't think it is a big problem, and not something I have had an issue with in the past. "The Landy" has capacity for 250 litres of fuel, so a good range and opportunity to better plan fuel fills.

Cheers, Baz...
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Follow Up By: Roachie.kadina.sa.au - Sunday, Jan 18, 2015 at 21:34

Sunday, Jan 18, 2015 at 21:34
Lads..... I did say.... (quote): "so I can go well over 1,000klm between fills"......

I've only had it for a week and on the way home to Kadina (SA) from Gympie (Qld)....(via Narrandera and Mildura due to flooding up around Broken Hill), I only filled up at Nanango (Qld) and West Wyalong (NSW).

On both occasions I still had about 1/8 of a tank showing and the computer was telling me I still had a couple of hundred kilometers available fuel (but I don't trust computers in that regard).

The in-dash computer was telling me my consumption was in the high 14L/100 klm range (say 14.7). Bear in mind that although I wasn't towing anything, this rig was filled with ALL of the original suspension components (removed from the vehicle so that the Pro-Comp 6" lift could be fitted)....as well as the 6 original factory wheels and tyres. So I was running pretty heavy and the tyres are 35" diameter.....so I'm VERY happy with sub 15l/100klm.

Roachie
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Reply By: Tuco - Sunday, Jan 18, 2015 at 21:59

Sunday, Jan 18, 2015 at 21:59
Diesel bug or "Cladispoium Resinae" can occur in both diesel or kerosene/Jet-A1.
It grows in the interface above any water and below any diesel/kero.
It can clog filters and damage fuel system component and tanks. Corrosion in aircraft tanks has been caused by 'Clad'.

Despite sophisticated filtering at fuel supply sources water can build up in fuel tanks simply by condensation due to daily temperature changes. The small water droplets (SG 1.000) will eventually drop into the fuel and sink to the bottom as water is heavier than diesel (SG~.830) or kero (SG~.780).

Aircraft tanks are usually drained after each flight and a LOT of water is usually present due to the temperature extremes during the flight. It is essential that this excess water be removed from the tanks.

In automotive or marine situations the water build up can be virtually eliminated by either chemical additive containing an agent that will emulsify with the water and also a biocide to control any 'Clad' or mechanical filtering.

Read a BP petroleum article here http://www.bp.com/content/dam/bp-country/en_au/media/fuel-news/microbes-in-fuel.pdf

I add Chemtec on every fill.

Empty fuel tanks make more water than full tanks - less air.
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Follow Up By: Slow one - Sunday, Jan 18, 2015 at 22:27

Sunday, Jan 18, 2015 at 22:27
Aircraft tanks are usually drained after each flight and a LOT of water is usually present due to the temperature extremes during the flight. It is essential that this excess water be removed from the tanks.

Sorry I don't think so. They will take a sample from bottom of the tanks but I have never seen them drain the tanks.
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Follow Up By: Tuco - Monday, Jan 19, 2015 at 08:59

Monday, Jan 19, 2015 at 08:59
Aircraft fuel tanks have 'sumps' incorporated for the collection of water and 'drains' where samples can be taken in order to remove all 'water' from the tanks.

You may have never seen them "drain the tanks" because they don't usually drain all the fuel from the tanks - the purpose of taking the samples is to remove water from the tank sump/s. The sample will provide a visual sample with water at the bottom of the sample jar. Water finding paste is used to prove that there is no water in the sample.

Wide body aircraft have a number of 'sumps' along the length of the wing/tanks. Flex in the wing during flight, and also inertia during turns/banks will have water moving from one area of the tank to another. Wide body aircraft typically vent their wing tanks to the opposite side to prevent fuel escape during turns.

Have a look at ... http://www.casa.gov.au/SCRIPTS/NC.DLL?WCMS:STANDARD::pc=PC_90762
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Follow Up By: The Landy - Monday, Jan 19, 2015 at 11:04

Monday, Jan 19, 2015 at 11:04
Thanks Tuco...I had a read.

And on aircraft fuel tanks; as a pilot in a previous life I can say that prior to flying our aircraft each day I took a sample from the bottom of the tank (water is heavier than Avgas) and continued to drain if water was present until the fuel was clear.

Large aircraft flying at altitude would do regularly.

If there was a drain suitable for purpose on the bottom of the vehicle fuel tank you could do similar.

Cheers, Baz - The Landy
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Follow Up By: cookie1 - Monday, Jan 19, 2015 at 11:42

Monday, Jan 19, 2015 at 11:42
Thanks guys, learn't from your post - never knew that

I understand that algae is more of an issue the further north (above the Tropic of Capricorn, is that true?

I carry 273L in my cruiser and try and keep it full

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Follow Up By: Batt's - Monday, Jan 19, 2015 at 12:26

Monday, Jan 19, 2015 at 12:26
I've never had a problem up here in Mackay I usually go thru about 140 lts a month but in saying that how would I tell if I had an algae prob would my car stop running.
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Follow Up By: Slow one - Monday, Jan 19, 2015 at 14:19

Monday, Jan 19, 2015 at 14:19
Tuco,
the way I read your post was the fuel tanks was drained. Glad you cleared that up.
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Follow Up By: Tuco - Monday, Jan 19, 2015 at 17:42

Monday, Jan 19, 2015 at 17:42
Thanks Slow one - after re-reading my post I understand fully your being misled - sorry about that. I stuffed up ! lol.

cookie1 - Not sure that the distance north of the tropic has much relevance. Quite often Victoria and SA get hotter than Far North Qld. We were in Vic in January 2014 and saw 47°C many times - but we rarely see more than 35°C here in Cairns FNQ.

An ex pilot (The Landy) confirms here on this thread that it is usually temperature extremes in aviation that cause the regular build up of condensation in aircraft tanks. This can be as much as 40°C ambient tarmac temperature to as low as -50°C at altitude which is a 90°C range.
We never see temperature range like that with our vehicles on terra firma, but any variation can cause condensation. Just look what happens when you step out of the vehicle after having the air con blowing on your sunnies - same thing. But the condensate on your sunnies evaporates to the atmosphere, while in the fuel tank it usually collects clinging to the underside of the top of the fuel tank until there are sufficient droplets to make it fall through the fuel and settle on the bottom.

I worked in aviation refuelling for many years and am well aware of the dreaded "clad".
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Follow Up By: cookie1 - Monday, Jan 19, 2015 at 17:49

Monday, Jan 19, 2015 at 17:49
AHA, so I do need to be concerned about it, what is the recommended product for this? My biggest issue is that there is no separate filler for each tank so I need to be careful how I put it into the tank(s)

cheers
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Follow Up By: Tuco - Monday, Jan 19, 2015 at 18:00

Monday, Jan 19, 2015 at 18:00
cookie1 - as previously posted, I use Chemtec on every fill. A 1 litre container is sufficient for 1000 litres of diesel. I usually buy in 1 litre containers for convenience, but it is available in larger quantities for better cost effectiveness.
There are other diesel conditioners out there - make sure you pick one that has a biocide as well as water pickup qualities.

Your 2 tanks with one filler may be a challenge. Once had a Toyota Surf to which I added an AUX tank - similar situation but I could access the 'Y' just below the fill cap.
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Reply By: Steve - Monday, Jan 19, 2015 at 14:07

Monday, Jan 19, 2015 at 14:07
Avoiding low tank as much as practical and employing Mr Funnel in the more remote/risky areas would minimise risk to a large degree but don't know if additives would be better?
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