What would you buy with $20,000

If you had a budget of $20,000 to get a second hand fourby equipped to go to the Red Centre what would you recommend?

The trip will be off the beaten track but nothing overly extreme.

If it was to be either a 4 or 6 cylinder diesel would you say a turbo would be essential?
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Reply By: Ron N - Tuesday, Jan 20, 2015 at 19:47

Tuesday, Jan 20, 2015 at 19:47
Hi Bowks - Most naturally aspirated diesels are slugs. You need a turbo to get efficiency and decent performance out of a diesel.

You aren't really giving enough detail as to what you're really looking for, how many are going with you, and how you are going to camp?

Are you tenting, dragging a camper trailer, happy to camp on a traytop, or towing a 'van?

Do you want a station wagon, a dual cab, a single cab traytop or ute, or a 4WD sedan?

Cheers, Ron.
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Follow Up By: Bowks - Tuesday, Jan 20, 2015 at 20:18

Tuesday, Jan 20, 2015 at 20:18
Hi Ron, yeah I know I haven't given much detail. I don't have a great deal of time right at the mo so I thought I'd just pose the question first and get some dialog going. My friend (who is in the market for it) is watching the stream and she may comment. I'll come back in a while with some more detail. Just got to get the kids off to bed first. Chat soon.
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Tuesday, Jan 20, 2015 at 19:49

Tuesday, Jan 20, 2015 at 19:49
You could easily get a diesel 80series in very good nick like the one in the Exploroz classifieds :-)
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Follow Up By: Geepeem - Wednesday, Jan 21, 2015 at 07:24

Wednesday, Jan 21, 2015 at 07:24
X2
A good 80series would be my choice if my budget was $20k. Look for as low as km as possible with lots of accessories added.
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Reply By: Batt's - Tuesday, Jan 20, 2015 at 20:10

Tuesday, Jan 20, 2015 at 20:10
A turbo is not an essential thing to have on a diesel thousands of people have gotten by without them you can still do the speed limit and then some with a standard motor it is more of a convenience to have the extra power especially if you're towing or loaded up with gear. It really depends what sort of driver you are, the extra power will help when driving in hilly areas etc. The 6 cylinder diesel like Toyota & Nissan have a good rep for lasting high km when serviced regularly you could see 600,000 plus from a good one my GQ has 430,000 and the owner before me put a turbo on it at 350,000. If you found a good non turbo and had change left you could always put one on just do some research on the total cost to have one fitted before you buy a vehicle.
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Follow Up By: snow - Tuesday, Jan 20, 2015 at 20:50

Tuesday, Jan 20, 2015 at 20:50
Batt, 10 years ago I would have agreed with you re the turbo but then I also had the same opinion regards aircon in vehicles...drove hundreds of thousands of km on/off road in a Holden ute, no power steer, no air, no 4x4 and had no issue that I couldn't get myself out of...nowadays I like the air, steer and not having to wind up. For 1 km to slingshot past a slower vehicle.
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Reply By: mike39 - Tuesday, Jan 20, 2015 at 20:15

Tuesday, Jan 20, 2015 at 20:15
Look for a well maintained Land Rover Defender 300tdi (ie. pre '98)
You then have sufficient left over to get a decent camper trailer.

This will of course cop a drubbing, but I have a '97 300tdi Discovery and a '97 Land Cruiser hzj75.
The Discovery has actually been more reliable than the Cruiser.



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Follow Up By: snow - Tuesday, Jan 20, 2015 at 20:52

Tuesday, Jan 20, 2015 at 20:52
I always liked the defender also
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Reply By: Drew - Karratha - Tuesday, Jan 20, 2015 at 20:55

Tuesday, Jan 20, 2015 at 20:55
I would look at saving another 5k and buying a factory turbo diesel 100 series that is all set up and ready to go, then either keep it once the trip is done, or sell it for the same price or more - recovering the extra $.... Infact, I just happen to have one for sale that I would be happy to get in and travel anywhere in Aus right now.....
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Reply By: Jackolux - Tuesday, Jan 20, 2015 at 21:53

Tuesday, Jan 20, 2015 at 21:53
I would buy my 2006 Toyota HiLux .
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Reply By: philw - Tuesday, Jan 20, 2015 at 22:18

Tuesday, Jan 20, 2015 at 22:18
We have a standard 100 series,non turbo diesel. Pulls our camper and all our gear anywhere we want to go. Sure,you have to change down a gear or two on steep climbs,but who cares. Reliability is all I want from a vehicle.
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Reply By: Bigfish - Wednesday, Jan 21, 2015 at 06:04

Wednesday, Jan 21, 2015 at 06:04
A trip to the red center doesn't tell us much. I could drive to the red center in a toyota Prius. How many people are going and how are you living. Camping, motels, swags? How long for? If only 2 of you go for a troopy or 80/100 series toyota. You dont need a turbo and if you want one it will be reflected in a lot higher price, particularly if factory turbo. The nissan or toyota 6 cylinder diesels are so reliable. Most common vehicle outback is the toyota 6. Spares are no problems and all outback mechanics are familiar with them.
Sit down and work out exactly what you want to do, how long for and what is the budget...then ask specific questions so you get better advice.

cheers
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Reply By: Bowks - Wednesday, Jan 21, 2015 at 06:35

Wednesday, Jan 21, 2015 at 06:35
Hi all, thanks for your info. As I mentioned earlier I only had a brief moment at the time to get a discussion going. The trip is well planned and for those asking for more info it is as follows:

• 2-3 cars.
• Offroad experience is high but we don't have any mechanics amongst us
• A range of vehicles
• Accom will be camping

Trek will be out through western Queensland - Lochern NP; Lark Quarry; Kennedy Developmental Road; Donahue/Plenty Hwy; Cattlewater Pass; Harts Range; Trephina Gorge; Ruby Gorge; Rainbow Valley; Edward Giles Road; Uluru/Kata Tjuta/ Kings Canyon; Western Macs; The Alice and back to Brisbane via highway.
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Follow Up By: Member - Tony (ACT) - Wednesday, Jan 21, 2015 at 08:40

Wednesday, Jan 21, 2015 at 08:40
You had better change your plans slightly. Cattlewater Pass is now closed.
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Reply By: tazbaz - Wednesday, Jan 21, 2015 at 08:33

Wednesday, Jan 21, 2015 at 08:33
2008 Kia Sorento diesel.
Whatever, it would be definitely diesel and definitely turbo.
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Reply By: Member - mark D18 - Wednesday, Jan 21, 2015 at 08:54

Wednesday, Jan 21, 2015 at 08:54
Bowks

Get a 80 series or 100 series Diesel Cruiser if you want a heavy duty 4x4 , if you don't maybe a Pajaro , Hilux or Prado may do.
I would steer away from old Defender ( And Range Rover )unless you are really handy with the tools and have a pocket full of money.
Stick to the Jap stuff and you stand half a chance .
All 4x4,s will give you problems, But you will lessen your chance with the Japanese brands . Take notice next time your are out of the big cities and see what most people are driving( Toyota Land cruisers and 4.2 6cy Nissan's.


Cheers
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Reply By: madfisher - Wednesday, Jan 21, 2015 at 10:21

Wednesday, Jan 21, 2015 at 10:21
I just spent 5 mins on the car sales website and found a 2010 Pajero 3.2 diesel with 84655ks for $20000 even comes with a b/bar, you can not beat that, comfort , efficiency , and reliabity. It is the basic model but that is even better for the trip you have in mind.
cheers Pete
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Follow Up By: Member - escapesilv - Wednesday, Jan 21, 2015 at 15:50

Wednesday, Jan 21, 2015 at 15:50
I second the Pajero 3.2 diesel.
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Reply By: Rangiephil - Wednesday, Jan 21, 2015 at 10:44

Wednesday, Jan 21, 2015 at 10:44
You can buy a brand new Great Wall 240 for about $20K or a second hand one for 10KK.
A $20K cruiser or Pajero or whatever will be 10 years old and unless you are very lucky and /or do thorough pre trip preparation you may (will?) have trouble. You should buy new tyres and shocks unless they are new which is very doubtful, so your 20K becomes 25k.

I have met a few people with Great Walls and all have had no problems. My best Mate bought one for his son, no problems. One had an X240 and had done 40KK. A new one will have full warranty but of course they depreciate like mad because the market has no real experience with them. Just an alternate view if you cannot do work yourself, and are unafraid of being rubbished by "friends"

They have Mitsubishi mechanicals.
http://www.carsales.com.au/cars/results?silo=stock&q=((((Make%7b%3d%7d%5bGreat+Wall%5d)%7b%26%7d(Model%7b%3d%7d%5bX240%5d))%26(Service%3d%5bCarsales%5d))%26(Price%3drange%5b0..20000%5d))&vertical=car&WT.z_srchsrcx=makemodel&sortby=TopDeal&cpw=1
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Follow Up By: Member - mark D18 - Wednesday, Jan 21, 2015 at 16:02

Wednesday, Jan 21, 2015 at 16:02
Rangiphil

That's a brave call.

Cheers
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Follow Up By: madfisher - Wednesday, Jan 21, 2015 at 20:27

Wednesday, Jan 21, 2015 at 20:27
Funny the local sales manager was telling me how he wished he had never laid eyes on them lol.
The paj I found above is only just coming up to 5 years with only 84000ks, I know which one I would rather trust, and I am a Jack man.
cheers Pete
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Follow Up By: Rangiephil - Thursday, Jan 22, 2015 at 11:29

Thursday, Jan 22, 2015 at 11:29
When a Sales Manager says that it means that they don't sell and stick in stock and his boss jaws at him all the time because they go off floor plan and the boss has to pay for them.

That is painfully obvious from the 2012 MY new cars available.

But the same happens with Renaults. there were a lot of 2012 models around recently.

Falcon GTs didn't sell either!

However IMHO the Great Wall situation is like Hyundai 20 years ago.
Everyone thought they were crap, but many of them are still putting around, and they are a Mitsubishi sponsored clone like the Great Wall

If you want to know you have to talk to owners, and maybe service managers, but not Sales Managers.
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Follow Up By: madfisher - Thursday, Jan 22, 2015 at 13:27

Thursday, Jan 22, 2015 at 13:27
NO, he was worried they are ruining a reputation built up over 60years, because of unhappy clients, and great wall are not really coming to the party on warranty claims. This was two years ago,so they may have improved.
My old mate was a former mechanic and service manager.
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Follow Up By: Ron N - Thursday, Jan 22, 2015 at 23:46

Thursday, Jan 22, 2015 at 23:46
I paid a visit to Cocos Island last July. The owner of our accommodation has a petrol-powered, dual-cab Great Wall ute, that he bought brand new in 2008.

It's done 20,000kms in total and has never exceeded 50kmh in its life, because the blanket speed limit on the Island is 50kmh. West Island is only 15km long, anyway.

The ute is rusted out beyond belief, for a vehicle that age. I took some pics, and they're in the link below.

Great Wall ute - Cocos Islands

I know the environment it's in, is not conducive to long vehicle life (hot, humid, and moist salt air) - but the the bloke with hire cars on the Island has Hiluxes, and they are in much better shape for their age.

The brake master cylinder on the Great Wall failed and Ray tried for weeks to get the right replacement part.
He said the agent sent 3 master cylinders in total - the first 2 didn't fit, and even the 3rd one wasn't right - although he made it fit.

Ray said he offered the ute for sale for $2000 and couldn't get any interest in it. He said it wouldn't be long before he just dumped it.
I might add it costs $7000 to freight a vehicle to the Islands, so you'd think someone would have taken up his offer.

Cheers, Ron.
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Reply By: Crusier 91 - Wednesday, Jan 21, 2015 at 16:38

Wednesday, Jan 21, 2015 at 16:38
I'd like to add a few things to the mix.

Don't disregard petrol 4wd's either.

If you purchase any 4wd vehicle whether it be petrol or diesel to travel you would want to have a good mechanic look over it prior to your trip.
Diesel's are more fuel efficient than petrol but only a 1/3 saving in fuel cost even if towing and before the argument starts the budget is $20K for a vehicle. Now if we talk about repair and maintenance cost between diesel and petrol, petrol will in hands down by a country mile and if injectors need replacing in a diesel you would already lose your savings in fuel.

Will you keep this vehicle or sell once trip completed?
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Reply By: Kumunara (NT) - Wednesday, Jan 21, 2015 at 17:58

Wednesday, Jan 21, 2015 at 17:58
Nissan Patrol GU 4.2TD
They are bullet proof and because of that hard to get.
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Reply By: Axle - Wednesday, Jan 21, 2015 at 19:37

Wednesday, Jan 21, 2015 at 19:37
Landcruiser 100s V8 Petrol 5 speed auto, A few around now with moderate Ks

Not bad economy for power, and one of the smoothest quietest 4wds you can get!.

Petrol is cheaper than diesel in most areas these days, anyway.


Cheers Axle.
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Follow Up By: madfisher - Wednesday, Jan 21, 2015 at 20:31

Wednesday, Jan 21, 2015 at 20:31
Axle I use to drive my bosses old 100 series down to Sydney to pick up horse floats, one of the nicest 4wds I have driven, I much preferred it to the early diesel v8s 200s.
Use to get down to 13/100 on a quite run.
cheers Pete
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Reply By: Sigmund - Thursday, Jan 22, 2015 at 08:49

Thursday, Jan 22, 2015 at 08:49
Here's a run-down on choices of wagons at the $15k mark: http://unsealed4x4.com.au/issue007/#139

Having some money left over to spend on accessories and mods is highly advisable. A bull bar is essential in that country if driving at dawn/dusk/night though you may find a wagon with this and other useful bits already fitted. Allow around a grand for good new AT LT tyres. When tyre tread depth drops the puncture risk increases sharply.
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