Please suggest a $5,000 - $7,000 outback tourer?

Submitted: Sunday, Feb 08, 2015 at 19:38
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Hi,

I'm looking to buy a 4x4 tourer as I plan on doing a lot of outback trips soon. My budget isn't much but being 4x4 and having long range is important to me. I'd strongly prefer an automatic for the missus to be able to drive sometimes.

So far a 90 series petrol Prado with 90L + 69L tanks seems to fit the bill but I'm just after opinions and suggestions. I'm planning on touring, not full-on 4x4 desert crossings etc. But I'd like to venture off-road a little when desired.

It'd be nice if I could put drawers in the rear with a mattress on top of the drawers and 2nd row folded.

Thank You.
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Reply By: Member - Bigred13 - Sunday, Feb 08, 2015 at 21:00

Sunday, Feb 08, 2015 at 21:00
Hi Ben ,I don't like your chances in getting a 4x4 of any quality for that price , if you do it will possibly have done a lot of work and the engine may sound ok but there is a lot of other things that need to be looked at under the vehicle ,and in the outback is not the best place to find out what is broken or worn out .Now do not get me wrong , I have had a Prado 95 Series Turbo diesel with auto and it was a fantastic vehicle 269000 kms ,but I knew it was a local vehicle and the servicing had been done as it should have ,plus being a diesel ,while they are more expensive to repair than a petrol, if well maintained they will go for years .
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Follow Up By: madfisher - Monday, Feb 09, 2015 at 20:21

Monday, Feb 09, 2015 at 20:21
Actually in 90 series the diesels are doing heads, while some petrols have racked up 450000 trouble free ks.
Cheers Pete
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Reply By: PeterInSa - Sunday, Feb 08, 2015 at 21:25

Sunday, Feb 08, 2015 at 21:25
For that money I would look at an 80 series Cruiser, the later the better.

Still see a lot of them in 4 x 4 shows and around town. I would join lcool Forum to get the lowdown on what to look for.

More likely to get one with lots of options on as well.

Peter
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Reply By: Member - Mfewster(SA) - Sunday, Feb 08, 2015 at 21:31

Sunday, Feb 08, 2015 at 21:31
I'd go older. I'd be looking for a Toyota 60 series diesel. They are built like tanks and simple. Simplicity is important as they get older. Lots of (relatively) cheap spares available and easy to work on. I just sold one for $2000. I would not have hesitated to drive it outback off road on serious stuff. I would not buy anything with a common rail diesel once it was over 200000 km and for $5000 to 70000 it will be. In that price range I would forget automatics.
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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Sunday, Feb 08, 2015 at 22:00

Sunday, Feb 08, 2015 at 22:00
I agree! Go the diesel 60 series manual, great truck if you can get a clean and rust free unit. Rust seems to be their downfall. Michael
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Follow Up By: Geepeem - Monday, Feb 09, 2015 at 07:37

Monday, Feb 09, 2015 at 07:37
Yes in that price range a 60 series would be my choice. Look for a HJ60 or HJ61 with less than 400K KMs and minimum rust. They rust along the roof gutters in particular. They are a robust truck and even with 400K kms if well serviced they should go of another 100k kms at least. But at least they are simple to repair and parts are available. I would go for a manual as the early autos were pretty average. If you can find a later model with the 12HT turbo diesel they are a superb engine. Cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - Scott M (NSW) - Monday, Feb 09, 2015 at 10:01

Monday, Feb 09, 2015 at 10:01
Will also endorse looking at a 60 - would suggest a diesel, if you can find a 12HT in good nick, give me a call if you don't want it !!! :-)

As long as the body is sound, should be a good buy.

The other thought may be to look at a 40, however they're becoming a bit of a collectors item now - sub $5k they're usually a bit of a basket case, really good nick ones are now fetching in excess of $20k. However if you know what oyu're looking for, good ones can be fouund around the $7k mark.
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Follow Up By: Axle - Monday, Feb 09, 2015 at 15:59

Monday, Feb 09, 2015 at 15:59
Hmmm, 60s... crap gearboxes, ..rear axle studs sheer off, if worked hard, noisey as!,.....would want to be low Ks or its just a money pit, A good GQ Nissan non turbo, would be a stronger unit all round, no power but so what! look what your paying and there would be one somewhere I'm sure.

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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Monday, Feb 09, 2015 at 17:20

Monday, Feb 09, 2015 at 17:20
Axle! Thats very unkind. Probably true but I reckon that the 60 series really started the 4x4 revolution. The first of the comfortable vehicles. I love them. Great vehicle. Michael
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Follow Up By: Member - Scott M (NSW) - Monday, Feb 09, 2015 at 19:03

Monday, Feb 09, 2015 at 19:03
Not sure about the crap gear-boxes - plenty of original ones running around in 2H's and 12HT's
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Follow Up By: Member - Mfewster(SA) - Monday, Feb 09, 2015 at 19:17

Monday, Feb 09, 2015 at 19:17
My just sold 60 series had done a little under 600,000 and was still going strong. my garage man reckoned it was going to do the million. I have had it for the last 200,000 probably more. No problems with the gearbox. The 5th gear is certainly weak. The top gear was an afterthought to what is basically a fourspeed gear box to compete with the 5 gear Patrol when that was released. As long as you understand how to use the overdrive 5th it is fine. (not for towing or lugging up hills) I bought a reconditioned 5 speed box thinking one day I would need it, but I never had to install it and actually I still have it. The only point where I agree with Axle is that they are noisy. I did lots of desert work and sand dunes and never sheared a stud and neither did I ever come across another 60 series driver who mentioned this as a problem.
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Follow Up By: Geepeem - Monday, Feb 09, 2015 at 20:06

Monday, Feb 09, 2015 at 20:06
You must have had bad luck with yours Axle. I have owned 6 different 60series over 20 years and never had a gear box problem with any of them. Sometimes I still regret having sold my 1988 12HT Sahara in pristine condition with less than 300k kms on it. This was 3 years ago but I got $13000 for it …thats how good it was. I went from that to a 200series ….a big leap and I've missed the joys of owning an 80 series or a 100 series!
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Reply By: Rick (S.A.) - Sunday, Feb 08, 2015 at 22:13

Sunday, Feb 08, 2015 at 22:13
try a Pajero; your price point probably precludes a diesel. Toyotas have stong resale value compared to other makes, so factor the badge price as well.
A dual cab might also be worth looking at. Like a Mazda or equivalent Ford, or maybe a Triton.
As far as range goes, jerrycans are the go for low capital investment regimes. And for high capital ones as we, come to think of it. They are relatively cheap and easy enough to handle for the few times a year you actuallu transfer fuel from them..

Have fun
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Reply By: Troopyman - Monday, Feb 09, 2015 at 07:25

Monday, Feb 09, 2015 at 07:25
You should be able to pick up a nice holden jackaroo . It doesnt have to be diesel . Parts are cheap .
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Follow Up By: madfisher - Monday, Feb 09, 2015 at 20:33

Monday, Feb 09, 2015 at 20:33
At one stage we had four Jacks in our family, all great vehicles. We still have three.
Now the bad news the diesel version is very unreliable and a money pit, this is the 4jxi diesel, the older 3.1 diesel is super reliable .
The best combination for long life is a v6 manual. The manuals usually do and extra 100ks per tank as well. My wife had a beautiful holden Nullarbor that only had 132000ks on it, we sold it because of its thirst around town 330k to 66l av, where as my manual will do well over 400ks to same amount of fuel.
The other super reliable vehicle for touring is a good petrol series 90, even with 200000ks on them they still have lots of life left.
Cheers Pete
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Reply By: BenFraser747 - Monday, Feb 09, 2015 at 09:37

Monday, Feb 09, 2015 at 09:37
I really appreciate the replies, everyone! :)

I have looked into landcruiser wagons a little previously. Finding good examples of 60s around here isn't easy, many have rust too. The occasional 80 petrol pops up and I haven't seen any with rust yet. Did Toyota better rust-protect the 80s maybe?

It is important to me that a vehicle is reliable in the outback as an unreliable vehicle can quickly turn a situation into life or death.

A dual cab ute with Jerry cans is another option I could consider - another great suggestion.

Will Prados and Jackaroos stand up to the weight of a steel bar, a couple of hundred litres of fuel, a couple of hundred litres of water and the rest of the usual gear? Will a coil 80 series for that matter?

I've read about Jackaroos having problems with their Injectors/seals and glow plugs disintegrating into the combustion chamber. Any truth to this?

A diesel Jackaroo is something I might be able to afford, assuming they're reliable. Is there much reason to stretch for a diesel? Prices seem similar at the bowser, usually in petrol's favour. Service intervals leans in the petrol's favour but diesels typically have more range.

I've spotted a cheap '92 80 GXL with the fuel injected 3F motor and the old non-electronic A440F hydraulic auto transmission. It only has a 95L tank which may cause some range anxiety but I imagine this would be a reliable vehicle (toyota), better stand up to the weight being carried, should be a reasonably easy fix if anything breaks and parts should be easy to come by.

Thanks very much, everyone! :)
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Follow Up By: MEMBER - Darian, SA - Monday, Feb 09, 2015 at 11:34

Monday, Feb 09, 2015 at 11:34
The Jackaroo is a robust carriage alright (I had a 99 SE TD for 8 years), but from 98 on, the 3.0L diesel had the serious injection problems you refer to.....a number of safety recalls, including seals and eventually whole injector replacements were staged. My readings suggest that the petrol models were virtually trouble free by comparison (member Sand Man (SA) here had a petrol Jack as I recall - maybe search the forum for his comments). As for 200L of water and 200L of fuel...do some homework on legal payloads for vehicles you may consider......along with all the other goodies you'll need to carry, those numbers bring a trailer into consideration. Best of luck with the project.
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Follow Up By: Member - eighty matey - Monday, Feb 09, 2015 at 12:17

Monday, Feb 09, 2015 at 12:17
I would suggest looking for an 80 series petrol automatic for the price you want.

They are strong, reliable and comfortable. If something goes wrong it's often possible to fix them up enough to get somewhere and parts are also often easy to come by. Having said that, on our last trip I went looking for parts in a remote Community and they had Pajeros as the vehicle of choice for that Community.

Our 80 series diesel had over 510,000 kms on the clock and we have friends with an 80 series petrol with well over 600,000 kms on the clock.

They are strong and roomy but an automatic petrol will use at least 20 litres per 100 kms. That's the price you pay. They have two tanks which on paper gives you 145 litres to carry but you'd be struggling to use that. If you strike one with a long range tank in the back you'll have about 240 litres capacity.

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Reply By: Member - John and Val - Monday, Feb 09, 2015 at 12:13

Monday, Feb 09, 2015 at 12:13
Hi Ben,

Have you considered a Troopie? Ideal for sleeping in and rugged enough to take you just about anywhere. Petrol versions can be found occasionally to keep the purchase price down, though diesel is probably a better option if you can find a decent one in your price range, if only because they are more common in remote areas than petrols so parts and expertise are more available. From experience they are easy to work on if you need to, and parts (especially secondhand) are readily available outback. Manual gearbox tho - but once your partner got used to driving it she would be like lots of other women, including older ones like me, who really love driving a Troopie. You might find the blog - click here - we have written on our Troopie useful.

Cheers,

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Follow Up By: Member - mark D18 - Monday, Feb 09, 2015 at 17:14

Monday, Feb 09, 2015 at 17:14
Allan

I second the troopie purchase.
We have a similar setup.( 75 series )
Its fantastic for remote travel
I love some of your setup ideas.

Cheers
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Reply By: Member - mark D18 - Monday, Feb 09, 2015 at 12:23

Monday, Feb 09, 2015 at 12:23
Ben

Stick to the Toyotas of any series
Pajaros are also a option ( 2.5 and 2.8 diesels are great motors ) and are getting cheap
and they are not common rail ( big plus )
Maintenance records are the key.
Cheers

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Reply By: Member - Bigred13 - Monday, Feb 09, 2015 at 12:49

Monday, Feb 09, 2015 at 12:49
Hi Ben,Just came across a vehicle that may suit you,$8000-$8500 (with engel fridge and roof top tent included 290000 kms HZJ80R 1990 Diesel in Sydney.
Can you email me and will send phone numbers
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Reply By: pop2jocem - Monday, Feb 09, 2015 at 18:47

Monday, Feb 09, 2015 at 18:47
Buying vehicles of the 4x4 persuasion in that price range is always going to be fraught with danger.
If you are a bit handy with the spanners, ok.
If not, may I respectfully suggest you keep a few bob in the pocket to invest in a sat phone if going anywhere remote.

Cheers
Pop
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Reply By: deserter - Monday, Feb 09, 2015 at 20:09

Monday, Feb 09, 2015 at 20:09
Dunno where you are located but you can sometimes source good vehicles from property clearance sales. Might be worth keeping an eye on The Land newpaper for something worth driving to. See sample here

http://theland.farmonline.com.au/clearing/_upload/clearing/92/2015_02_05/Page552.pdf
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