I'm considering D22 Navara, feedback wanted please

Submitted: Tuesday, Feb 10, 2015 at 18:42
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I'm on a tight budget so the Navara seems a good option. I am considering replacing my aging 80 series.
I have a 1200 kg GVM caravan.
I am considering the change for the improved fuel economy together with the reliability of a new vehicle (I hope)
My petrol 80 series has 380000 kms.
I have had s test drive of the D22 and find it quite acceptable but that was not towing.
The budget priced Navara is manual.
Any feedback would be really appreciated.
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Reply By: Member - mark D18 - Tuesday, Feb 10, 2015 at 19:35

Tuesday, Feb 10, 2015 at 19:35
Cruiser3

The D22 are at least better than the Pommy, European and Yank 4x4 ,s .
For value for money the D22 are not to bad , but they are not up to Toyota Hilux or Ford Ranger ( and their Mazda equivalent standards.
The Diesel Triton seem alright value as well.
Most of the small capacity 4x4 mentioned above will tow a van reasonably well.

Hope this helps .

Cheers

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Follow Up By: cruiser 3 - Tuesday, Feb 10, 2015 at 19:54

Tuesday, Feb 10, 2015 at 19:54
Thanks Mark
That info is appreciated.
I will check on the triton
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Follow Up By: Member - mark D18 - Wednesday, Feb 11, 2015 at 08:00

Wednesday, Feb 11, 2015 at 08:00
Cruiser 3
Its not a easy choice
I suppose with the Japanese Stuff you get what you pay for.
The for mentioned ones you give a big miss, as most blogs indicate.


Cheers
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Reply By: Gordonk - Tuesday, Feb 10, 2015 at 20:59

Tuesday, Feb 10, 2015 at 20:59
Cruiser 3

Pretty sure the D22 in standard condition have a car type clutch that is not suitable for towing Mate of mine bought one new and was informed of this after purchase (of course). Have read many forums that confirms this; however, I have no first hand knowledge as I haven't owned one.

I just recently sold my petrol 105 series LC (auto). Was a beautiful vehicle to drive; however, too thirsty both towing my 1.4t caravan and not towing. Keep your options open, I just purchased a 2.9 Turbo Diesel Hyundai Terracan 4x4 (auto) (I can hear everyone laughing) and it is great on fuel, beautiful to drive and tows the van without any probs. I am on a disability pension so every cent counts so I had to ditch the cruiser.

Gordonk
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Reply By: Michael H9 - Wednesday, Feb 11, 2015 at 00:50

Wednesday, Feb 11, 2015 at 00:50
The D22 is a pretty spartan rig that only comes in a manual and still has manual locking hubs on the front. The gearing is a bit truck like so the fuel economy isn't as good as the D40 even though they have the same engine. The 2.5 diesel is known to have timing chain issues, not sure if that has been addressed in later models. It's a tough no frills ute for under $30k on the road brand new. I know all this because I looked at a new one last week...but unfortunately the blinker was on the wrong side of the steering wheel. I only like Pommy, European or Yank cars and it was sitting right next to a new VW Amarok that was double the price. :-)
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Reply By: cruiser 3 - Wednesday, Feb 11, 2015 at 07:32

Wednesday, Feb 11, 2015 at 07:32
Thanks for the feedback everyone.
I am going to test drive a triton today for comparison.
The triton is currently dearer than the Navara D22 but cheaper than the D40.
I could stretch the budget to get the triton if it is noticeably better.
I wonder if the reliability is better for one over the other which to me is very important.
Once again, thanks
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Follow Up By: madfisher - Wednesday, Feb 11, 2015 at 20:29

Wednesday, Feb 11, 2015 at 20:29
The big draw back with tritons is the awfull uncomfortable seats that are set to low. I use to suffer numb bum with in 100ks.
We had d22s and d40s at work, and got a much better run out of the simpler d22, out of 6 d40s one was at the dealers every week.
My mate brought a d22 two years ago and loves it, 50000ks up and no trouble. He towed my 700kg boat from Bathurst to burrendong dam and it really impressed me, more torque then my 158kw v6 and 11/100 sitting 100ks, pretty impressive as I get 16/100 out of the v6 towing.
The seats like most Nissan seats are very comfortable.
Cheers Pete
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Reply By: duck - Wednesday, Feb 11, 2015 at 21:20

Wednesday, Feb 11, 2015 at 21:20
I purchased a new 2.5td d22 for my son back in 2010 it has never missed a beat it has for the last 3 years towed a large tandem tool trailer most week days & tows our 2450 kg boat a lot of weekends 180000 klms same clutch

The torsion front end is crap if you put a steel bar & winch you will have to up grade it & it will still be no good & you have to get use to the wood pecker taping under the seats

The dual battery's are not separate so if one dies it pulls the other with it

But value for money it's hard to beat & there cheaper now than in 2010 which means they have a crap resale value if you do not keep it for a while
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Reply By: cruiser 3 - Wednesday, Feb 11, 2015 at 22:10

Wednesday, Feb 11, 2015 at 22:10
To Madfisher and Duck
Thanks for your informative replies
I became quite satisfied with the D22 after a test drive with one exception. That was that I felt uncomfortable with the clutch ( I had to increase the revs to about a 1000 and ease the clutch out very slowly)
Maybe this particular car had a problem but it made me worry about how I would start off when towing.
Anyway I took a Triton for a test drive today and that clutch felt quite normal, in fact I could almost let it out without increasing the revs. Furthermore the Triton has 6 airbags to the Navara's 2. Has cruise control and more power and torque. Also auto is an option should I want to go that way.
So for only $2000 extra I think the Triton may be the way to go.
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Reply By: Member - mike g2 - Thursday, Feb 12, 2015 at 11:11

Thursday, Feb 12, 2015 at 11:11
Hi cruiser,in my opinion, agree with some of the other comments. just completed about 10,000 km trip to ES towing a jayco. I believe tow capacity of d22 base model manual is 2.5t, jayco was 1.8t unloaded. check out details such as battery set up( as mentioned).
wasn't aware of limitations of clutch pre purchase , but the navara didn't like the loaded weight of the van + car combined at all on a big long hill or hill start -took effort to get it going. had to drive carefully for trip. I am told navara wont respond to engine upgrades such as gas injection/diesel mix or chip as either risk warranty and increase of power is arguable/negligible . same for considering a competition air filter or a change of exhaust system . then there's the cost++. i am also told manual better tow than auto. many dealers suggested better tow capacity in any vehicle of 3t was way to go for me. diesel obviously way to go for long distance etc.. check out comparison sites and write ups in 4wd/ motoring sites. also saw a good one in a farming mag once.
Did have a patrol at one stage in the past- brilliant, large rear light set pair was for show, had no globe bases or globes!. from what I have seen, may need to spend a bit more.
MG.
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Follow Up By: cruiser 3 - Thursday, Feb 12, 2015 at 11:48

Thursday, Feb 12, 2015 at 11:48
Thanks Mike
I started to favour the Mitsubishi triton but it's still 2.5 liter although more power and torque than the D22.
Funny thing is I had a Toyota FJ 40 in the 70s and it towed a heavy 22 ft van many kilometres, it was petrol with about 100 kW and 280 nm. But I guess it was built stronger and had lower gearing.
Anyway I that basis you would think that today's vehicles with130kw and 400 nm should handle a 16ft van.
It's a lot of money to spend though if I am wrong.
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Follow Up By: madfisher - Friday, Feb 13, 2015 at 22:04

Friday, Feb 13, 2015 at 22:04
I had and fj40 as well, very low first gear even in high range, and a engine that devolped nearly all its power at low rpm. My old one use to do 14mpg towing a fairly light boat, hate to think what it would have done towing a heavy van.
One other thing the Tritons are a bit like a 2st motor bike, not much mumbo down low, but hang on when it comes in.
Cheers Pete
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