Carson River Track tag alongs starting June 2015.

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http://kimberleyoutbacktours.com/carson-river-track/
Described as "extreme".
Having driven most of it, I can only agree.

Slide show.. http://s246.photobucket.com/user/Peter_n_Margaret/slideshow/07%204%20Carson%20River%20Track

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Video clip 2...


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Reply By: Robin Miller - Monday, Feb 23, 2015 at 18:34

Monday, Feb 23, 2015 at 18:34
I'm sure its a fun trip Peter and its good to see another track , but at the $3000 fee I don't think I will get there.
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Thursday, Mar 26, 2015 at 23:57

Thursday, Mar 26, 2015 at 23:57
I was going to check it out but at $3000 I wouldn't bother reading it. They can get etc etc. That is way over the top.
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Reply By: Member - John Baas (WA) - Monday, Feb 23, 2015 at 22:24

Monday, Feb 23, 2015 at 22:24
Great stuff Peter.

Just looked at their site - eight trips betw June - Aug! I reckon they'd be lucky to get two filled...

As we're going up that way in Aug to the Gulf country, I reckon I might substitute my Mt Elizabeth/Walcott Inlet intention with this initiative. Will be the first time we've ever paid for a 4WD trip, but at $3k/vehicle, it's a bargain...

Can't wait for the wild barra fillets and the cherabin!

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Follow Up By: equinox - Monday, Feb 23, 2015 at 22:33

Monday, Feb 23, 2015 at 22:33
Hi Jb,

You're joking me?
You'll pay someone $3K to do something which you have proved you're able to do yourself?

I'm keen on this track too and with long service due next year it's getting closer but I'm not going to pay anyone to lead the way.

The tour group may have secured permission to the area, that's the only plus I see in this for experienced 4WDrivers.

I'd be getting on the phone and see how much access will really cost you.

Just my 2C

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Follow Up By: Member - John Baas (WA) - Monday, Feb 23, 2015 at 22:52

Monday, Feb 23, 2015 at 22:52
G'day Alan.

Consider it the luxury option...:-).

Beside's there are some places in Oz for which I'm very doubtful that leave passes would be issued unless I wanted a solo trip... unfortunately, unlike the young and sprightly Massie, Kimmie the beagle, at 10YO, has also refused entreaties.

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Follow Up By: pop2jocem - Tuesday, Feb 24, 2015 at 14:44

Tuesday, Feb 24, 2015 at 14:44
So Alan,

This trip you got in mind. How would you feel about an aging 4WDer tagging along??

At a reasonable price of course.

Or like the Phantom, do you always work alone???

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Follow Up By: Member - Howard (ACT) - Tuesday, Feb 24, 2015 at 19:55

Tuesday, Feb 24, 2015 at 19:55
a trip that has always been on my wish list so its got my interest eneough to seek further info from them.
$3k a lot of money so have lodged request to see just what they are offerimg/prepared to do for that $.
dosent effect me nut unless the TO's are getting big share the $500 for extra person a bit rough its not like they are offerring catering.
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Follow Up By: Peter_n_Margaret - Tuesday, Feb 24, 2015 at 20:51

Tuesday, Feb 24, 2015 at 20:51
I expect that this tag along is the only way most people will ever get to drive this track. It is unlikely you will get permission to do it any other way unless they have a change of heart or you get a job with the tour operator.

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Follow Up By: equinox - Tuesday, Feb 24, 2015 at 21:57

Tuesday, Feb 24, 2015 at 21:57
Hi Pop,
Sometimes I like the Phantom's way, but frequently travel with people of varying ages.

This track is pretty close to the top of the bucket list of aussie tracks I need to do, and I think I will do it within a couple of years.

At the moment have a couple of other trips in the wings so am concentrating my efforts there right now!!

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Reply By: Member - John Baas (WA) - Tuesday, Feb 24, 2015 at 21:52

Tuesday, Feb 24, 2015 at 21:52
Hi Peter.

The Tour blurb says:

"The Carson River track, in the remote Kimberley region of WA, roughly follows the coast between Kalumburu and Wyndham, eventually joining the Gibb River Road at Home Valley Station. On this 400 odd kilometre journey you will cross many ranges over jump ups and boulder strewn passes and forward many rivers including the Durack, Drysdale, Berkeley, King George and Forest.".

Yout slideshow (the link doesn't work, but C&P'ing the full url does) shows your route as Home Valley to Oombulguri. Did you also do the Kalumburu to Oomb section?

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Follow Up By: Member - John Baas (WA) - Tuesday, Feb 24, 2015 at 22:13

Tuesday, Feb 24, 2015 at 22:13
No reply needed - slideshow reveals all; great contribution Peter, thanks.

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Follow Up By: Peter_n_Margaret - Tuesday, Feb 24, 2015 at 22:52

Tuesday, Feb 24, 2015 at 22:52
We explored the Carson Station including the Carson River Track as far as the King George River (and the falls) the year before.
Still have the bit in the middle to do some day.

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Reply By: CSeaJay - Wednesday, Feb 25, 2015 at 12:03

Wednesday, Feb 25, 2015 at 12:03
Thanks for the link
Whilst I do understand that certain areas will not be open slatter and that only tag-along tours are permitted, the fee is interesting.
$3,000 per vehicle. Well this should theoretically cover overheads, insurances, and of course plant and wages.
Some may say it is steep, others may agree that it is fair for a remote track.

But what I then cannot understand is the whopping $500 per extra person. What is this for? They are not catering, accommodating, it causes zero additional services to them. With two kids I find it hard to justify an additional 33% price hike

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Reply By: Member - Howard (ACT) - Thursday, Feb 26, 2015 at 12:36

Thursday, Feb 26, 2015 at 12:36
Had an initial reply from tour company.
awaiting to get more info from tour leader
( itinerary etc)
they already have vehicles booked for all june departure dates( 3 trips) and the last one in august
minimum 6 vehiclesmax 8 for trip to go ahead.
mid june date looks the goods if I am to get back for EO gathering in Alice Springs.
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Follow Up By: Member - Howard (ACT) - Monday, Mar 09, 2015 at 17:24

Monday, Mar 09, 2015 at 17:24
got a few more details over the weekend . it seems all june trips now confirmed but also that the lead guide had agreed to allow camper trailers
-I guess the "extreme" just went out of the trip or maybe it has been confirmed???

big dissapointment to date- only very general info provided and no real answers to direct questions

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Follow Up By: Peter_n_Margaret - Monday, Mar 09, 2015 at 21:16

Monday, Mar 09, 2015 at 21:16
What were the unanswered questions Howard?

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Follow Up By: Member - John Baas (WA) - Monday, Mar 09, 2015 at 21:34

Monday, Mar 09, 2015 at 21:34
Hi Howard. I asked a direct Q re the CT's as per, and received the answer reprinted further down.

The question (edited):

"Dear CR. Your CR trip is described as extreme, and I don’t doubt it.

We have no intention of trailing our camper if we ‘pay up’.

However, should we do ‘pay up’, we would be seriously ‘p’d off’ if our expensive (it would be our first ever paid trip) were to be stuffed up by ‘hour after hour’ getting someone else’s trailer/s through bogs/rivers etc.

If we decide to press our interest further we would need to know what your trip leaders will do if the trailers become problematic.

While we are fit, we are in our mid 60’s, and we will not be wanting to assist in recovering trailers that shouldn’t have been there in the first place".

The answer (edited):

"If trailers become problematic, the lead vehicle will go ahead with others and the sweep vehicle will stay with the problematic vehicle allowing them to make their own pace, joining the main group at whatever time they make it to camp.

They will be required to join the lead party each day even if they have to drive into the night. They will not be allowed to inhibit the enjoyment of others".


Personally I'm happy with that answer and will likely book for July/Aug.

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Follow Up By: Member - Howard (ACT) - Tuesday, Mar 10, 2015 at 08:40

Tuesday, Mar 10, 2015 at 08:40
Peter,
main direct question remaining unanswered is a draft daily itinerary.
while I know plans can change under extreme conditions a plan at the start is a good thing.
basicly I want to know what exactlly are they are offering for the $3000 fee.
I am also concerned that it now looks like the 10 days 9 nights also includes a day (perhaps a rest day) learning traditional skills like spear and boomarang making and a trip to mitchell falls so perhaps another day/night.
having visited mitchell falls several times over the last 15 years and having allready viewed the aboriginal art in that area it is something I am not willing to pay $300 a day for.
I asked about fishing and specifically the time allowed for that activity, as I am prepared to pay $300 a day for a good fishing spot in a remote location, only to recieve a leaflet that says there will be fishing ( just like the original web page did) so no further info.
My wife had concerns about perhaps being the only female on a"boys" trip and when i asked about bookings to date on specific trip I am interested in I again got a broad answer along the lines that lots of women expressed interest at shows where the trip was promoted, again nothing specific.
I will phone next time rather than keep emailing and have one more crack at getting answers.
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Reply By: AL_105 - Thursday, Mar 26, 2015 at 19:20

Thursday, Mar 26, 2015 at 19:20
Gday,
I managed to get permission to access that area and travelled from Kalumburu through to Home Valley Station via Oombulguri in mid 2013. I had a L/Cruiser and Tvan, whilst the friends drove their Nissan D22.
The 440km took us 6 days (quick trip!) and we didn't have any major issues. Minor issues...a destroyed tyre courtesy of sharp rock and long steep loose exit out of Forest River.

Personally, I would not pay $3000 for someone to 'guide' me through that area. You pay for and carry all your own food, fuel, spares etc....poor value for money in MY opinion.

Would love to go back, take more time to explore and enjoy the serenity ;-)
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Follow Up By: Peter_n_Margaret - Thursday, Mar 26, 2015 at 19:55

Thursday, Mar 26, 2015 at 19:55
Hi Al-105.
I would be curious to learn who provided the permission, and on what basis.
I would love to get out there again too!

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Follow Up By: AL_105 - Thursday, Mar 26, 2015 at 20:13

Thursday, Mar 26, 2015 at 20:13
Permissions were a mixture of KAL and Oombi TOs. I went through Whyndam Indig Affairs office.
I was even lucky enough to gain permission for a day visit to Truscott whilst in Kalumburu 8-)
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Follow Up By: Peter_n_Margaret - Thursday, Mar 26, 2015 at 22:56

Thursday, Mar 26, 2015 at 22:56
Thanks.
Was it necessary to also talk to the lease holders of Carson River Station?

Did you drive out to Truscott? I have been eyeing off the track out to there for a while. What was it like?

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Follow Up By: AL_105 - Thursday, Mar 26, 2015 at 23:39

Thursday, Mar 26, 2015 at 23:39
Carson River Stn is part of KAL, all the way to the Berkeley River.
Yes, we drove both cars and CT to Truscott. Explored the western side of the peninsula, round the runway, old Tpt area, & barge landing. Nice easy drive, 50km ;-)
Takes the ranger 6hrs in a Troopy...took us 5hr out and 4 rtn.
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Follow Up By: Member - Lisa & Peter (NSW) - Friday, Mar 27, 2015 at 08:35

Friday, Mar 27, 2015 at 08:35
Hi Al-105

I see that you towed your tvan, could you comment on any specific issues along the track relating to towing?

Cheers, lisa
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Follow Up By: AL_105 - Friday, Mar 27, 2015 at 09:12

Friday, Mar 27, 2015 at 09:12
Re towing: slow and steady. Some of the creeks and washouts have the car and trailer doing a serious dance....the Tvan came close to kissing the back doors several times. Also some of the rivers have 1-2 diameter rocks you need to navigate around (tight!).
The section of track over the jump-up north of Oombi is badly overgrown...some areas only had room for a person to walk not drive a 4b and trailer...
From De Lan Court River (?) to north of the jump-up the track was non existent except for the occasional section of windrow every couple km....gps, map, and pick the easiest path...
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Follow Up By: Peter_n_Margaret - Friday, Mar 27, 2015 at 11:16

Friday, Mar 27, 2015 at 11:16
"Carson River Stn is part of KAL, all the way to the Berkeley River."
No, only as far as the King George.
And Carson Station is leased by KAC to the owners of Yardie Station. I wondered what their attitude was?

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Follow Up By: AL_105 - Friday, Mar 27, 2015 at 11:31

Friday, Mar 27, 2015 at 11:31
Peter,
I confirmed my travel intentions with the KAC when I purchased the permit at Kalumburu Store and with the local rangers. Nil issues, 'have a nice trip and good luck with ya trailer on that track' was the response.
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Follow Up By: Peter_n_Margaret - Friday, Mar 27, 2015 at 11:56

Friday, Mar 27, 2015 at 11:56
Brilliant, thanks.

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