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could any one tell me when my steering belts get wet its nearly impossible to turn the wheels heading up to cape york later this year crossing those rivers i could be in a bit of trouble all my belts are tight does anybody have the same trouble.

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Reply By: Athol W1 - Wednesday, Mar 04, 2015 at 21:13

Wednesday, Mar 04, 2015 at 21:13
John
It would help if you identified the vehicle model involved.
Generally speaking if the belts are old or have been glazed up then this is a very common issue, the only cure is new belts correctly tensioned. A little 'roughing up' of the drive pulleys may also help but badly worn pulleys can also cause the belts not to grip due to the belts 'bottoming out' in the pulleys, this can occur with any V pulleys but is more prevalent with the multi rib systems.
Hope this helps
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Follow Up By: john m85 - Wednesday, Mar 04, 2015 at 22:08

Wednesday, Mar 04, 2015 at 22:08
sorry the vehicle is a 84 hj60 cruiser
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Follow Up By: Bob Y. - Qld - Thursday, Mar 05, 2015 at 10:06

Thursday, Mar 05, 2015 at 10:06
John,

As it's a 60 series, I'd say Athol's is right, might need new pulley on the P/S pump.

You can get stuff called CRC Belt Grip that does a good job to stop squeaking, or loose belts. Maybe put a new belt on before your trip, and keep the old one for a spare. They are a lot different to the other belts on that vehicle.....a much bigger section, something like a "B" section belt or bigger. Take note of Muz's advice, you might even be able to get slightly bigger section belt, to make up for any wear in the pulleys.

Probably back in early '90's, we had a wagon like yours, and travelling down the New England H'way, on an Easter Saturday, when there's a noise, and the steering locks up..........broken p/s belt. Went to Tamworth Toyota dealer, but only one bloke there, 'n spare parts are closed. Tried elsewhere and no luck. :-(

Limped down the highway to Singleton, then Putty Road to Blue Mountains, all with this Arnstrong Steering. Built like Arnie Schwarzthingy by the time we got there. :--)

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Reply By: Rangiephil - Wednesday, Mar 04, 2015 at 21:23

Wednesday, Mar 04, 2015 at 21:23
If you have a 4x4 with V belt driving the pump, when the belt gets wet it slips on the power steering pump pulley when a load is placed on it as when trying to turn.
Simple.
Just let it dry out .
You can get belt dressing spray at Supercheap, but it helps if you have the belt at the proper tension as per the manual.
Regards Philip A
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Reply By: Hoyks - Wednesday, Mar 04, 2015 at 23:13

Wednesday, Mar 04, 2015 at 23:13
as said above, new correctly tensioned belts and you shouldn't have an issue.
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Reply By: MUZBRY- Life member(Vic) - Thursday, Mar 05, 2015 at 09:34

Thursday, Mar 05, 2015 at 09:34
Gday
Just make sure that the belts are the rite ones. Metric and imperial belts have different pully angles , therefore the belts may not be seating properly in the pully.

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Follow Up By: john m85 - Thursday, Mar 05, 2015 at 09:42

Thursday, Mar 05, 2015 at 09:42
thanks for the info about metric and imperial belts i did not no that.

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Follow Up By: MUZBRY- Life member(Vic) - Thursday, Mar 05, 2015 at 09:47

Thursday, Mar 05, 2015 at 09:47
Gday John
I am trying to find the angles in my old school notes. If and when ill send them to you. Just part of a job i had many years ago running conveyor belts and gearboxes.
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Follow Up By: john m85 - Thursday, Mar 05, 2015 at 10:08

Thursday, Mar 05, 2015 at 10:08
thanks for trying i will wait and see if you find your notes.
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Follow Up By: Bob Y. - Qld - Thursday, Mar 05, 2015 at 11:28

Thursday, Mar 05, 2015 at 11:28
Searching on Ebay, one add suggests the p/s belt for a 2H is a 15A0865.

Suppose it's a few years ago since I eye-balled one, but would have thought they were a bigger section than that?

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Follow Up By: john m85 - Thursday, Mar 05, 2015 at 14:44

Thursday, Mar 05, 2015 at 14:44
thanks bob i will look on the belt see if it is the same number.
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Reply By: Ron N - Saturday, Mar 07, 2015 at 15:01

Saturday, Mar 07, 2015 at 15:01
John - There are belts and there are belts. You can get el-cheapo crap that is about on a par with using pantyhose for belts - or you can buy Gates belts and get decent quality.

I have always used Gates belts and hoses as they make stuff to last, and to do the job - not just making stuff to meet a price level.

You get cheap belts, they stretch like rubber bands, they won't grip properly due to poor design and poor quality materials - and they won't last.

The Perth metro buses (PTA) use Gates belts and they get 500,000 kms life out of their belt sets!

The previous mentions of worn pulleys is good advice. After 30 yrs and many hundreds of thousands of kms, your pulleys will be in sad shape and will not present a good profile for proper grip.
You probably also need to investigate the condition of the pump. A worn pump will more than likely be getting harder to turn.

Cheers, Ron.
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Follow Up By: john m85 - Sunday, Mar 08, 2015 at 11:32

Sunday, Mar 08, 2015 at 11:32
thanks Ron i will get the gates belts and also have a look at the pump it could be a combination of both thanks for your help.
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