The current shape defender ceases production in december 2015.

who is Sinatra?????????????

Sinatra was a popular crooner around the time of the birth of the Landrover in 1948/49.

In the words of a famous Radio and TV ad

"When you're on a good thing, stick to it"

Applies to Landrover more than the flyspray in the original ad, doesn't it??

Disco.

hi 4wheeler
there's plenty of sites on the internet showing the shape and details of new model

G/Day 4 Wheeler, the New Price with the new model will be the worry/

Cheers

Hi Axle,
Given the current Defender is hand made and cost is high, I hope the new Defender cost does not lose the plot.

As Mazcan mentioned, there a lots of sites indicating what the new Defender might look like but as yet Land Rover have kept the new model very well hidden. If it looks like the some of the more recent potential designs it could be a shocker. I hope they don't go down that route.
There was one concept which basically kept the overall look of the current Defender but modernised it with some rounding etc., and that looked good to me.

A friend and I were talking about the changes that would make the new Defender a great vehicle, better rear door access, better driving position etc. My mate pondered the question and stated after a little thought that this vehicle had already been made - it was called a Patrol!

what the pomms should have done ,was get the japs to build them,
look how they made front wheel drive cars work , after the pomms
terrible effort .
mechpete

"what the pomms should have done ,was get the japs to build them,
look how they made front wheel drive cars work , after the pomms
terrible effort ."

Awe mate, how could you say that about the Mini?

It was my first car, 1962, had it 8 years and 160,000 miles. Spotlighted rabbits in it, went everywhere at top speed (72 Mph). I could name on the fingers of one hand the things that I had to fix on it in all that time. What a Car!

The cooper s was a mighty little car in its day, and was very well built when compared to the falcon and Holden of that era.


Cheers.

So true Bob, and if a defender is set up right in the front end, they do steer very well, I often thought my deefer ute could stay in a straight line on freeway conditions with out touching the steering wheel longer than than my 100s toyo,.

Cheers.

You are right there, Ron.
They'll be counting the cash paid trying to modify a Toyota to somewhere near as competent at the straight out of the showroom Deefer is.

I wish them luck.

Disco.

G/Day Ron,...Maybe!...I don't know why some of these so called mechanics are so against working on landrovers!,As I mentioned they can be filthy things, but a ten minute degrease and hose down fixes that,..As far as actually working on them, in a lot of areas there easier than a lot of others, ..I often wonder if some of these mechanics only have the ability to work on one make of vehicle, especially in country areas?,...So a twin turbo toyo is easy to work on in a average workshop, I don't think so.

Cheers Axle.

Axle, I don't think there's anything made today that's easy to work on - they are all nightmares of high-tech engineering, excessive amounts of plumbing and electronics, and components piled on top of components.
However, we buy Jap 4WD's because the Japs put things together and they (generally) stay together.
Toyota dropped the ball on quality there for a while, they seem to have learnt from the error of their ways, and their quality is coming back.

However, Landrover has suffered from build quality and reliability for years. In the early days, it was broken axles and gearboxes. They beefed up the axles and gearboxes, and then it simply became terrible build quality, with many problems relating purely to carelessness in assembly.

I work on the basis of, I buy a new car to get new car performance. That is, 99.999% reliability and no build faults.
However, Landrover buyers seem to be happy to get pretty ordinary build quality, and even more ordinary reliability.
Then, on top of that, the Landrover shape and interior design is still the same as it was in 1950 and 1960.
Yes, the designers have tried to soften the edges, but it's still a 1950's design.

It's not like the Landrover was the ultimate in design, and was so perfect, it never needed changing.
It's just that the various and numerous owners of Landrover decided long ago to squeeze every last cent out of an ancient design.
It's 25 years past its use-by date, and a new model is well overdue.

Cheers, Ron.

Lol Baz,....The Virus will never leave you, ..A new Deefer will find its way back into your camp one day...LOL.


Cheers.

There is a Gronk on every forum.

I thought they flogged all of those off to Nissan Mike!, and then carried on with the ford engine..lol.


Cheers