The current shape defender ceases production in december 2015.

Submitted: Sunday, Mar 08, 2015 at 17:29
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Across Australia I can see the dismay on all the faces of Deefer owners and the wanna be owners of this great icon.

I can also see mechanics doing cartwheels down the main streets of towns,screaming thank Chr@#$t, for that !!, Our overalls might stay cleaner in the future,.

Some hate them, some love them, some have ended up in asylums ,some have gone broke with them, But Hey! what other 4by with such a mixed reputation has survived so long?,....All is not completely lost theres new models on the way according to the company wether a defender from another planet emerges who knows?....But one thing for sure it will be right up there with all the hi tec electronics, and gizmos, that only landrover could put on a vehicle, so it will all start again,..the landrover name is always Gunna be there!!....Lol


Cheers Axle.
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Reply By: Steve - Sunday, Mar 08, 2015 at 19:03

Sunday, Mar 08, 2015 at 19:03
the end of 4x4


the equiv of Sinatra retiring


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Follow Up By: Member - John - Sunday, Mar 08, 2015 at 19:40

Sunday, Mar 08, 2015 at 19:40
who is Sinatra?????????????
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Follow Up By: disco driver - Monday, Mar 09, 2015 at 16:27

Monday, Mar 09, 2015 at 16:27
Sinatra was a popular crooner around the time of the birth of the Landrover in 1948/49.

In the words of a famous Radio and TV ad

"When you're on a good thing, stick to it"

Applies to Landrover more than the flyspray in the original ad, doesn't it??

Disco.
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Reply By: 4wheeler - Sunday, Mar 08, 2015 at 19:39

Sunday, Mar 08, 2015 at 19:39
I had one enthusiastic person come up to me a few years ago to compliment me on the excellent restoration of my Land Rover Defender. He asked how old it was and when I said "18 months old". He could not believe it!

The Defender is a frustrating vehicle in that it has the very best features you want in a 4x4 but also has some of the most frustrating features in a 4x4 as well.

I had a Defender, sold it for a new 2012 Mazda BT 50, then sold that to get back into a Defender. The trouble is there is just something about them which gets under your skin (and I'm not referring to the dust and water leaks).

I hope they keep the core features of the old Defender in the new model in terms of versatility and "off the showroom floor" 4x4 ability. It will obviously be safe, but must not be a Discovery clone. They need to get the drivetrain sorted and make the thing properly.

Can't wait to see the new model. Might have to start saving!
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Follow Up By: member - mazcan - Sunday, Mar 08, 2015 at 20:17

Sunday, Mar 08, 2015 at 20:17
hi 4wheeler
there's plenty of sites on the internet showing the shape and details of new model
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Follow Up By: axle - Monday, Mar 09, 2015 at 08:00

Monday, Mar 09, 2015 at 08:00
G/Day 4 Wheeler, the New Price with the new model will be the worry/

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Follow Up By: 4wheeler - Monday, Mar 09, 2015 at 13:06

Monday, Mar 09, 2015 at 13:06
Hi Axle,
Given the current Defender is hand made and cost is high, I hope the new Defender cost does not lose the plot.

As Mazcan mentioned, there a lots of sites indicating what the new Defender might look like but as yet Land Rover have kept the new model very well hidden. If it looks like the some of the more recent potential designs it could be a shocker. I hope they don't go down that route.
There was one concept which basically kept the overall look of the current Defender but modernised it with some rounding etc., and that looked good to me.

A friend and I were talking about the changes that would make the new Defender a great vehicle, better rear door access, better driving position etc. My mate pondered the question and stated after a little thought that this vehicle had already been made - it was called a Patrol!

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Follow Up By: Member - mechpete - Monday, Mar 09, 2015 at 14:23

Monday, Mar 09, 2015 at 14:23
what the pomms should have done ,was get the japs to build them,
look how they made front wheel drive cars work , after the pomms
terrible effort .
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Follow Up By: Notso - Monday, Mar 09, 2015 at 17:35

Monday, Mar 09, 2015 at 17:35
"what the pomms should have done ,was get the japs to build them,
look how they made front wheel drive cars work , after the pomms
terrible effort ."

Awe mate, how could you say that about the Mini?

It was my first car, 1962, had it 8 years and 160,000 miles. Spotlighted rabbits in it, went everywhere at top speed (72 Mph). I could name on the fingers of one hand the things that I had to fix on it in all that time. What a Car!
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Follow Up By: axle - Monday, Mar 09, 2015 at 19:09

Monday, Mar 09, 2015 at 19:09
The cooper s was a mighty little car in its day, and was very well built when compared to the falcon and Holden of that era.


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Reply By: Bob Y. - Qld - Sunday, Mar 08, 2015 at 21:50

Sunday, Mar 08, 2015 at 21:50
Makes you wonder how they could improve the practical body shape, Axle, eh?

Pull up for smoko somewhere, and stand the pannikin on the mudguard, won't fall over, or slide off onto the ground. Stand on bonnet/mudguards, and the panels don't bend, and you've got a stable platform.

Back in pre-aircon days, you'd be sweltering in a G60 or an FJ45, travelling along, while the L/Rover would have both side windows removed, and front vents open...........cool as!!! And they steered better than an equivalent Tojo too.

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Follow Up By: axle - Monday, Mar 09, 2015 at 08:07

Monday, Mar 09, 2015 at 08:07
So true Bob, and if a defender is set up right in the front end, they do steer very well, I often thought my deefer ute could stay in a straight line on freeway conditions with out touching the steering wheel longer than than my 100s toyo,.

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Reply By: Ron N - Sunday, Mar 08, 2015 at 22:08

Sunday, Mar 08, 2015 at 22:08
I can see there'll be a lot of mechanics doing Toyota leaps for joy, in early 2016. [;-)
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Follow Up By: disco driver - Monday, Mar 09, 2015 at 01:47

Monday, Mar 09, 2015 at 01:47
You are right there, Ron.
They'll be counting the cash paid trying to modify a Toyota to somewhere near as competent at the straight out of the showroom Deefer is.

I wish them luck.

Disco.
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Follow Up By: axle - Monday, Mar 09, 2015 at 08:25

Monday, Mar 09, 2015 at 08:25
G/Day Ron,...Maybe!...I don't know why some of these so called mechanics are so against working on landrovers!,As I mentioned they can be filthy things, but a ten minute degrease and hose down fixes that,..As far as actually working on them, in a lot of areas there easier than a lot of others, ..I often wonder if some of these mechanics only have the ability to work on one make of vehicle, especially in country areas?,...So a twin turbo toyo is easy to work on in a average workshop, I don't think so.

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Follow Up By: Ron N - Monday, Mar 09, 2015 at 23:47

Monday, Mar 09, 2015 at 23:47
Axle, I don't think there's anything made today that's easy to work on - they are all nightmares of high-tech engineering, excessive amounts of plumbing and electronics, and components piled on top of components.
However, we buy Jap 4WD's because the Japs put things together and they (generally) stay together.
Toyota dropped the ball on quality there for a while, they seem to have learnt from the error of their ways, and their quality is coming back.

However, Landrover has suffered from build quality and reliability for years. In the early days, it was broken axles and gearboxes. They beefed up the axles and gearboxes, and then it simply became terrible build quality, with many problems relating purely to carelessness in assembly.

I work on the basis of, I buy a new car to get new car performance. That is, 99.999% reliability and no build faults.
However, Landrover buyers seem to be happy to get pretty ordinary build quality, and even more ordinary reliability.
Then, on top of that, the Landrover shape and interior design is still the same as it was in 1950 and 1960.
Yes, the designers have tried to soften the edges, but it's still a 1950's design.

It's not like the Landrover was the ultimate in design, and was so perfect, it never needed changing.
It's just that the various and numerous owners of Landrover decided long ago to squeeze every last cent out of an ancient design.
It's 25 years past its use-by date, and a new model is well overdue.

Cheers, Ron.
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Reply By: The Landy - Monday, Mar 09, 2015 at 07:54

Monday, Mar 09, 2015 at 07:54
"Some hate them, some love them, some have ended up in asylums ,some have gone broke with them"

...All in the same day!

It did make me chuckle!

It will be interesting to see the new design - and I will always remember my three fondly (well mostly fondly!).

Cheers, Baz (The Landy)
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Follow Up By: axle - Monday, Mar 09, 2015 at 09:19

Monday, Mar 09, 2015 at 09:19
Lol Baz,....The Virus will never leave you, ..A new Deefer will find its way back into your camp one day...LOL.


Cheers.
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Reply By: Gronk - Monday, Mar 09, 2015 at 13:49

Monday, Mar 09, 2015 at 13:49
C'mon fellas.....they were the biggest piece of garbage to ever leave a factory..

IF you could make them reliable, and you were that 1% of the population that liked 1940's style of comfort, then you won't change your ways....but for the other 99% who have emerged into the 21st century, they will be forgotten !!

Being owned by Indians, maybe they can make a new one to stay together ??
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Follow Up By: garrycol - Monday, Mar 09, 2015 at 15:33

Monday, Mar 09, 2015 at 15:33
There is a Gronk on every forum.
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Reply By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Tuesday, Mar 10, 2015 at 16:36

Tuesday, Mar 10, 2015 at 16:36
Soooo! They have finally ran out of those pre war 'new, old stock' engines!!! ;)) Michael
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Follow Up By: axle - Tuesday, Mar 10, 2015 at 19:10

Tuesday, Mar 10, 2015 at 19:10
I thought they flogged all of those off to Nissan Mike!, and then carried on with the ford engine..lol.


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