Please help change our Australian tradition
Submitted: Thursday, Apr 30, 2015 at 16:01
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Tan P
Hi everyone, I'm Tan
The important problem we're facing between the Aboriginal communities and the western Australian communities is the attitude towards each other. My group and I are working on this issue to reconcile the two communities.
I'm currently studying social entrepreneurship and my project is about helping the Aboriginal people. I was thinking that we could help them by encouraging people to learn about them. Because their valuable knowledge about the bush is incredible attractive (imo), we can set up camps for people to come and learn the bush skills and their culture in a fun and exciting environment. However!!!!, first thing for me to do is to do some market research. I'm wondering if you could help me finish this survey. It's only a reallllly quick survey (promise). Because your club could be the main target group for our project, your help is huge. Thanks in advance.
here is the link to our survey! Thanks heaps.
https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/ZZVKBDK
If you have any suggestions or comments, feel free to shout out as
well. Thank you very much
Reply By: Fab72 - Thursday, Apr 30, 2015 at 17:47
Thursday, Apr 30, 2015 at 17:47
OK... so I took he survey. Yes it took me all of 2 minutes...not even.
But why after mentioning WA in your OP was the only option Fraser Island?
Just curious.
Fab.
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Follow Up By: Member - John - Thursday, Apr 30, 2015 at 18:20
Thursday, Apr 30, 2015 at 18:20
Fab, I am with you on Fraser Island???????
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Follow Up By: Tan P - Thursday, Apr 30, 2015 at 18:33
Thursday, Apr 30, 2015 at 18:33
This is going to be the first site that we will look into launching the project. It is probably the closest tourist site from where I live, that's why.
thanks so much for doing the survey thou. very appreciated it
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Follow Up By: Tan P - Thursday, Apr 30, 2015 at 18:40
Thursday, Apr 30, 2015 at 18:40
Also, we chose Fraser Island because it's a
well known site so that the
camp would be relaxing, holiday-like as
well.
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Follow Up By: Fab72 - Friday, May 01, 2015 at 06:29
Friday, May 01, 2015 at 06:29
Tan,
Thanks for the reply.
I'm just not sure you will get a true representation of even a smidgen of the different Aboriginal cultures within Australia by targeting a very specific coastal region.
The desert regions have so much to offer and it would be a shame to have these overlooked for the sake of convienience. Certainly from a sustainability aspect, the desert regions offer far more contrast year on year based on weather, availability of water, flora and fauna trends etc.
Don't get me wrong, I think it's great what you're doing and I wish more people would take an interest in Australia's cultural past. There is so much wealth, knowledge, tradition and cultural importance out there that we (us introduced types) will never fully comprehend...... and ignorance is no excuse.
Best of luck and I look forward to reading about the survey results.
Fab.
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Follow Up By: Tan P - Sunday, May 03, 2015 at 21:11
Sunday, May 03, 2015 at 21:11
I understand Fab, if this goes
well we'll certainly look into other area. I'm not overlooking those in other area but it has got to start somewhere :)
Thanks for the support Fab.
Tan
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Reply By: Member - Bruce and Di T (SA) - Thursday, Apr 30, 2015 at 19:33
Thursday, Apr 30, 2015 at 19:33
Tan,
My quick, and I will it admit it was quick, look at your questionnaire shows me that you have not catered for people of aboriginal
heritage. Tan, are you a Uni student involved in some, what you hope is original research?
Di
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Follow Up By: Tan P - Thursday, Apr 30, 2015 at 21:05
Thursday, Apr 30, 2015 at 21:05
yes Di,
This is my university project which I hope to implement it if it works. Getting involved and getting to know the aboriginal people is the next step which I'm working on.
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Reply By: Member - Marc Luther B (WA) - Thursday, Apr 30, 2015 at 23:07
Thursday, Apr 30, 2015 at 23:07
Hi Tan
I live in
Mulan Aboriginal Community, in the
Kimberley's. I could not complete the survey, as we already have the skills and knowledge you wish to teach. May I ask you, are you going to teach the knowledge and skills of the 1000 plus tribal groups in Australia, or just 1 - 2 of them?
I respect what you are doing, and appreciate it, yet I wonder if you are doing it the right way.
Marc
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Follow Up By: Member - rooster350 - Friday, May 01, 2015 at 12:41
Friday, May 01, 2015 at 12:41
If you live in the
Mulan Aboriginal Community you should also know that you live in the
Kimberley...you need to be taught that first. And I also know that a bit of flack will come....
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Follow Up By: Dennis Ellery - Saturday, May 02, 2015 at 21:42
Saturday, May 02, 2015 at 21:42
Rooster,
How dare you disrespect Martin – shame on you!
From previous posts - Martin professes to be non-aboriginal boiler maker with a science degree, and has had military service – which he can’t discuss.
Maybe he was SAS, or in the secret service – but then again maybe he’s a dreamer.
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Follow Up By: Member - rooster350 - Sunday, May 03, 2015 at 08:48
Sunday, May 03, 2015 at 08:48
Martin !!!! ,who is Martin?...and I maybe a dreamer too
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Follow Up By: rumpig - Sunday, May 03, 2015 at 09:09
Sunday, May 03, 2015 at 09:09
Been a while since I've seen that "Roosters" name on here, disappeared around the time several people were scammed on MySwag
forum trying to buy dot paintings from someone professing similar credentials.
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Follow Up By: Dennis Ellery - Sunday, May 03, 2015 at 09:32
Sunday, May 03, 2015 at 09:32
Hi Rooster
I guess I stuffed that up - It was supposed to be tongue in cheek, and
I should have said Marc instead of Martin.
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Follow Up By: Member - rooster350 - Sunday, May 03, 2015 at 10:04
Sunday, May 03, 2015 at 10:04
I realise that Dennis....but rumpig is certainly on the WRONG track , this old "rooster350" is very
well respected in his enviroment thank you...
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Follow Up By: rumpig - Sunday, May 03, 2015 at 11:39
Sunday, May 03, 2015 at 11:39
My apologies Rooster 350, I thought he was referring to Marc as a "rooster", and that is who my comment was directed at. I actually didn't even notice your user name was the same word, once again sorry for any confusion, The other guy I speak of is
well known for his antics on several forums, and is not someone I myself would believe a word of what he says.
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Follow Up By: Tan P - Sunday, May 03, 2015 at 21:08
Sunday, May 03, 2015 at 21:08
thanks for a very good point you raised, Marc. I'll have to look into it in more detail ;)
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Reply By: Member - RUK42 (QLD) - Friday, May 01, 2015 at 09:06
Friday, May 01, 2015 at 09:06
One of the first thing you've got to do is talk to the Aboriginal people. Too many times we white fellas have "great" ideas that come to nothing because we didn't consult. Always consult first - they have the answers.
cheers
Kevin
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Follow Up By: Tan P - Friday, May 01, 2015 at 13:28
Friday, May 01, 2015 at 13:28
we will certainly that. thanks for the advice
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Reply By: gbc - Friday, May 01, 2015 at 10:26
Friday, May 01, 2015 at 10:26
Done. I'd guess you haven't had too much exposure to this sort of thing. The butchulla people are who you need to approach about this sort of thing on the island. They run a
camp ground and learning centre (gazetted remote campus of USQ) on the wooralie rd just north of the Maheno wreck and have been doing that sort of thing for a long while.
http://www.nprsr.qld.gov.au/parks/fraser/butchulla/today.html
I admire and respect your sentiment and wish you all the best. Just don't make the mistake of charging into something assuming you might be the first. I wouldn't be understating things if I said pretty much all of the existing active clans in the country have already been approached by more than a couple of
well meaning people who would like to make a difference but end up breaking hearts and minds.
Again, I wish you the very best and I am not trying to put you off - just don't assume you will be met with open arms. Anything that has worked has taken generations of trust and effort. Most things don't.
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Follow Up By: Tan P - Friday, May 01, 2015 at 13:31
Friday, May 01, 2015 at 13:31
very appreciate your advice, I'll certainly do my very best.
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Reply By: SDG - Friday, May 01, 2015 at 16:52
Friday, May 01, 2015 at 16:52
One problem you might get is from the different Aboriginal communities themselves.
I have had some kids in my care from Aboriginal descent. When I went to Uluru a few years back, I suggested that one of the kids I have had could come along. The local Elders said no. Apparently different groups, don't want to mix with other groups.
Could be good for us "white fellas"
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Follow Up By: Tan P - Friday, May 01, 2015 at 19:14
Friday, May 01, 2015 at 19:14
Would you be able to me some further information?
Thanks I don't know how this
forum works so i dont know how to pm you. ;(
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Follow Up By: OutBack Wanderers - Friday, May 01, 2015 at 21:32
Friday, May 01, 2015 at 21:32
And they call us "white fellas" racists. When I spoke to an Elder from
Taree during the election, I said the group in the NT getting mining royalties have millions, enough to build every Australian Aborigine, a 3 bedroom house. He told me the Aborigines are more racists than the whities, that mob up there won't spend a buck on the east coast.
How can the Govt. help if the tribes do not unite themselves, it looks to me segregation of (Aboriginies) is alive and
well in Australia
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Reply By: Members Pa & Ma. - Saturday, May 02, 2015 at 16:32
Saturday, May 02, 2015 at 16:32
Tan,
I've taken your survey and written a shortish reply.
It isn't that simple, Your idea is good & kind. I've thanked a couple of Forumites who have answered you very similarly to the way I would.
It is going to take many years for this situation to heal, it isn't an Australian" tradition" please don't call it that.
As said, there are good & bad in all walks of life & the first white Australians did not wish to come here. Not all of them were bad either, some were mere kids.
Take care, safe travels, Ma
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Follow Up By: Tan P - Sunday, May 03, 2015 at 21:18
Sunday, May 03, 2015 at 21:18
Thank you so much for your comment and suggestions. I've learnt a lot since I started this survey. I'll certainly make some adjustments to the community and certainly listen to the problems.
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Follow Up By: Members Pa & Ma. - Monday, May 04, 2015 at 09:31
Monday, May 04, 2015 at 09:31
I'm glad you are learning & wish you
well with your studies.
Please listen to all sides of this problem, money has been thrown at it for a long time.
Thanks for your good manners & yes your email is a good idea.
Take care, safe Travels Ma
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Reply By: Tan P - Sunday, May 03, 2015 at 21:22
Sunday, May 03, 2015 at 21:22
Hi guys, thank you for all the suggestions and for doing the survey. If you have any suggestions you'd like to discuss further please dont hesitate to contact me via email, Thawin999@hotmail.com
Thank you
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