Do You get frustrated ?

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I mean how hard is it to just let down or pump up your tyres let alone seriously complex tasks like changing your GPS units from DDD MM SS to DDD.DDDD or actually entering a waypoint.

Last weekend we had a V8 Jeep which got so frightened of putting its first ever footprint in the dirt that it had to be escorted the 10km commodore track to our front gate, and then washed before it left, escorted, the next day after having travelled nowhere.

So many times in organizing trips I hear "It will be ok, I know how to set my radio to channel xyz" , thats is until I ring up and verify they have set whatever it is up and suddenly its time to leave and they haven't done it ! , Oh and could I drop over and
set it up with you.

Oh and could you set my handheld to - its not hard but I just can't find the manual.
And when they arrive I turn on the radio and it has a flat battery , and of course they didn't bring its charger !

I'm starting to reserve the night before a trip to sitting in front of TV waiting for last minute emergencies.

Its only a few days to our next trip to a place with several whose motto is "She'll be right" .

There is no water and no facilites whatsoever, so I think I will pack an extra weeks water food and toilet paper !

Still I love finding and recovering vehicles with few clues so we should be in for a fun time !
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Reply By: Idler Chris - Monday, May 25, 2015 at 10:57

Monday, May 25, 2015 at 10:57
Hi Robin,
Jeep is a four letter word that means trouble, keep well away from them. As for the radio issues, well you are a radio genius so you can't really blame people for bringing their radios to you. Installed a new radio/cd/bt the other day. To early to tell what its performance is like, but if the light show it puts on is any indication it should by great.
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Monday, May 25, 2015 at 15:52

Monday, May 25, 2015 at 15:52
Acually Chris I was looking forward to checking a new Jeep out , its been 10 years since I last had a go of one on some 4wd tracks.
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Follow Up By: Member - Murray R (VIC) - Monday, May 25, 2015 at 21:06

Monday, May 25, 2015 at 21:06
Robin
OT Keep the Patrol and just buy a bigger boat.

Cheers Murray
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 15:43

Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 15:43
I read your comment hours ago Murray , but I only just got the boat joke after seeing a tv add.
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 23:02

Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 23:02
JEEP = Just Enough Engine Parts.
I was told by an american mechanic (SVN in 1970) that was where the name came from. Just enough to get you where you wanted to go and if it broke leave it there. Purely designed for use in a war zone during WW2. Have they changed much? Dunno

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Reply By: gbc - Monday, May 25, 2015 at 12:24

Monday, May 25, 2015 at 12:24
My last trip was a kayak trip down the upper Clarence. The station we were staying on had a 10 k.m. 4wd track into the place. When booking, it stated that high clearance SUV's can make it, but not towing. My friends were running a bit late for the Friday afternoon rendezvous so I had a couple of settlers while waiting. Some time later I heard a racket and looked up to see my mate's sister pull in in her mitsubishi lancer towing a camper trailer. I swear rum and coke came out my nose.
Suffice to say she didn't read that bit on the web page, and I had to drag the trailer back out a couple of days later.
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Reply By: vk1dx - Monday, May 25, 2015 at 13:03

Monday, May 25, 2015 at 13:03
Good one Robin

I organised a group of four cars, us included, for a Nth to Sth Canning Stock Route drive. Ours was the ONLY car to get past Stretch Lagoon near Billiluna. Despite them being asked to get a thorough check done by a good 4wd mechanic before leaving, not one of the three others did and guess what . . Simple things went wrong. Not leading another group. That's it. Fini!!!!!

Maybe then we will be able to completely relax on the last night at home and have a good nights sleep with an early, on time, departure.
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Monday, May 25, 2015 at 20:17

Monday, May 25, 2015 at 20:17
I think thats what annoys me VK , there are enough real things that can go wrong despite ones best efforts and you don't need the avoidable ones as well.
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Reply By: Sigmund - Monday, May 25, 2015 at 13:41

Monday, May 25, 2015 at 13:41
I'm told that if folk aired down properly there'd be no corrugations outback.

I'd like to see that.
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Monday, May 25, 2015 at 15:53

Monday, May 25, 2015 at 15:53
I reckon there would be less at least Sigmund.
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Reply By: Les - PK Ranger - Monday, May 25, 2015 at 14:18

Monday, May 25, 2015 at 14:18
Trip Coordinator might be a better term to use than Leader.
Besides potentially having a legal responsibility when 'leading' people anywhere, sometimes people expect the leader to wipe their bot bots a bit too much !!

People on forums who like to lead trips from time to time have this problem for sure.
Sometimes participants are unknown to them, so I guess you should really only take people who you know are up to the task of preparation and execution of trips if these are more extended or remote.

I like to say, I'm doing this trip, here's my plan, if anyone wants to come along, then you're welcome to do so.
Rarely do I drive up front, at least not all the time.
Usually we have a different person up front route finding, and swap tail end too, so everyone gets a little experience of those positions.
Both are optional, some just like to sit in the middle and plod along happily enjoying the drive there.

For the most, I can suss out people pretty well by the way they talk (or not talk) about various matters, and as long as people participate in the preps, pre trip meeting(s) etc, and show a little more than a vague interest in being totally organised / prepared for a trip, then it usually works out fine.
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Follow Up By: Bigfish - Monday, May 25, 2015 at 15:31

Monday, May 25, 2015 at 15:31
Totally agree. I too am sick of organising a trip and getting let down with people being ill prepared, having forgotten something or as has been stated.."she'll be right".

I do not do it anymore...
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Follow Up By: Hoyks - Monday, May 25, 2015 at 17:11

Monday, May 25, 2015 at 17:11
I've been stung with this before. Organized a trip for a few mates through a bike forum, then a few others put up their hands to come along.

Turned out they were didn't have as much experience as they claimed, 2 of them had never been on dirt before. They only admitted to that when we stopped for afternoon smoko 40km via a goat track from our overnight stop. It was either that or a 150km back track for good road there.

I will admit that they were quick learners and had a STEEP learning curve.

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Reply By: Michael H9 - Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 07:55

Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 07:55
I don't even like passengers let alone other cars. There are a few people I like to travel with but coordinating times and dates is an issue so not always possible. Trip leading is a bit like herding a flock of aggravating sheep, do you really want company that badly?
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 20:08

Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 20:08
Can be fun though watching the antics of some people Michael.
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Reply By: Member - Alastair D (NSW) - Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 08:30

Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 08:30
Shame but true. We tend to be solo travellers more often than not because it is hard to find folk who have the same interests and attitudes. My pet hates in fellow travellers:
1. those whose first request over the radio when we are first setting off is "can we stop by the nearest supermarket so we can stock up on supplies?"

2. those who just want to cover the max distance in the day and complain when we stop to look at some interesting view/bird/plant/animal

3. want to wash their vehicles down whenever they come to a river

4. need to find a shower/campground in preference to bush camping

5. do not keep track of their fuel/water/supplies and then get huffy when others are not keen to share

6. do not want to take their turn in being the lead vehicle for the day

7. stop off somewhere without letting others know and then complain that we did not wait

8. have not done any homework about the history or geography relevant to the trip and constantly ask questions

9. don't take care of books/maps etc which you lend then - never do now

Have experienced all the above when travelling in a group.

as you can see I am a grumpy old man, too set in his ways and am best on my own
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 20:09

Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 20:09
We still luv ya Alastair
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 09:37

Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 09:37
Alister Good list you grumpy old bugger.

Very true about solo travelling. All our big trips, bar one trip with the sons to Cape York, have been done solo. And so will our next to the Madigan very soon.

With club trips of which we don't do many these days, we have had people so far back and slow that we can't even raise them on the UHF. Leaders (not us) have resorted to relays. And I am talking about on bitumen before any off road stuff is reached.

And you have those who won't wait at intersections for the following car to come in to view and you "lose" cars.

I suppose that we could go on. What one said about fellow traveller compatibility is quite true.

There are times and we have been on some great "short" week or weekend trips but there are others when solo works.
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Reply By: Member - Gnomey - Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 10:42

Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 10:42
G'day Robin
Frustration seems to emerge from a gap between reality and expectation. FWIW I would not organise or try to organise a group of more than two or three vehicles - and for all sorts of reasons beyond the likelihood of frustration.

But getting back to that gap and reading the posts to this thread, the expectation seems to be that people will take personal responsibility, contribute to the collective responsibility of their group and avoid imposing unreasonably on the (collective responsibility of the) group by being ignorant or inept. Back in my day (insert blahs) it was known as being considerate of others. These days reality is somewhat different, and maybe it always was.

Some of what's missing is knowledge and experience, but for my $0.02 that's not really the issue. Given awareness and will ignorance is curable, and experience can be acquired. The big problem, from my POV, is the lack of consideration for and the immature dependence on, others.

As the americans say, there are people who you would ride the river with and people you wouldn't. It's one version of a "no bleep s" policy. Depending on "the river" in question there can be room for the inexperienced as long as they understand what that entails.

In a couple of months I'll be a novice again when I go fiy fishing for bones on Christmas Island (the mid pacific one) and I'm looking forward to it, understanding what means and requires of me.

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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 20:17

Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 20:17
Its the little avoidable issues that try me Mark.

I also start to get edgy when more than 5 in the group , and I find that 4 has really been great for us as you can split into two groups of 2 so there is backup for serious exploring.

Our next trip has had between 4 and 8 coming and it will probably change every day now till friday so even that uncertainty becomes an irritation.

Have a good one in the mid pacific !
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Follow Up By: Member - Gnomey - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 22:32

Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 22:32
Understood mate and I like your 2x2 = 4 vehicles idea. Hope your trip works out ok. I don't have the expertise to take on leadership of something like that - could be a blessing in disguise eh? :^)

To explain, the "no bleep s" policy was an edit by the mods I think. It was a reference to a no richard-craniums policy adopted by the Swans and ascribed to the All Blacks. It's not a bad concept for team culture and selection.

Thanks for the well wishes on CXI.

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Reply By: Idler Chris - Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 21:32

Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 21:32
I belong to a 4WD Club where all the members are retired, they are sometimes referred to as off-peak clubs. Now if you are retired these are great as members have time and have many common interests. Club trips are usually organised by one person who invites others to join them as their guests. When you join the Club you go through a DA (Driver Awareness) course where you are shown the basics of 4WD driving and on how trips are run and what is expected of participants. On trips there are two rules 1. The organiser/leader is always right. 2. When the organiser/leader is wrong, refer to rule one.
For extended trips one or two meetings before hand where the organiser/leader sets out his/her/their plan and what the requirements are in the way of equipment and what is expected of everybody. This usually leads to great trips. I have been on extended trips of over 12 vehicles and while they are different to a small group everyone I have been on has been great. There are nearly 300 members in our club and there is not one member I would not go away with. One of the best parts of a Club trip is you can tackle places that are to difficult and remote to do on your own safely. It is a sight to see a 80 something year old in a non-turbo troopy on skinny tyres driving east to west over huge sand dunes in the northern Simpson Desert and making them look like mole hills.
If you are not retired it is much harder to find travelling companions who you can get along with and have the same timetable and so the issue that are being highlighted here can become issues.
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Follow Up By: Bob Y. - Qld - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 07:57

Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 07:57
Sounds a great concept for "oldies" Chris.

Just one question, what happens if the leader forgets where you're all going? :-)

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Follow Up By: Idler Chris - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 09:48

Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 09:48
Now thats an easy question.
1. You cannot get lost if you don't care where you are, and we don't care.
2. If the leader forgets it is likely that everyone else has forgotten too.
3. If the leader is wrong refer to rule 2.
4. If we end up going somewhere we have already been its more than likely that we have forgotten about that as well.
5. If all else fails, have a cup of tea, a bex, and a lie down.
Lastly, I take exception to "oldies". The oldest club member is 20 years older than I am, so at 70 I am still a spring chicken.
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Follow Up By: Bob Y. - Qld - Friday, May 29, 2015 at 15:02

Friday, May 29, 2015 at 15:02
"Oldies" Chris, purely a term of endearment from where I sit. :-)

And it saves writing "vintage travellers" at any time.

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Reply By: vk1dx - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 11:39

Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 11:39
Firstly, I rambled on about being told all the time to "drive to the conditions" and what a "safe speed is". Then I deleted it all because of the risk of upsetting those who say it at every opportunity, yes every opportunity, and even when it's off topic.

I wonder how many feel the same. I also wonder how many will respond. Interesting.

I will risk it and will be interested in peoples thoughts.

Phil

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Reply By: Member - Boobook - Friday, May 29, 2015 at 10:49

Friday, May 29, 2015 at 10:49
In planning trips I have developed the following theories / rules

1)Always make sure that members of every car have similar experience & attitudes
2)Everyone ignores all planning until 1 - 2 weeks out from the trip, then they want to add their thoughts and side trips, even though the planning has been 12 months and all agreed 3 months out and this will mean rethinking food, water and fuel.
3)Planning complexity, and the probability of trip issues are proportional to the N squared rule, where N is the number of cars on the trip.

1 Car = 1 complexity unit.
2 Cars = 4
3 Cars = 9
4 Cars = 16
5 Cars = 25 ( TILT!)
Double those numbers if one or more cars are inexperienced. Multiply them by 4 if there is a family that hasn't done remote camping / trips before.
4) 3 cars is a good limit and 4 cars is an absolute limit.
5)Email isn't a very good tool to plan trips. Side conversations screw it up. Wiki's such as google are a great way to organise a plan in one place.
6)Some people can't be made to share the workload, no matter what. "Oh, I'll have a coffee too since you are already making it" while sitting in their chair is the most frequent thing you will hear from that type.

And yes it does drive me nuts when we agree to set out on the first day from say Broken Hill at 7AM on a date 4 months away. Then on that morning, someone has to wait till 9AM to do some last minute shopping. "Don't worry, I'll catch up". Right. We don't even know where we are going to camp that night, so we all just have to wait 2 hours, which turns into 3.

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Follow Up By: Member - Scott M (NSW) - Friday, May 29, 2015 at 15:31

Friday, May 29, 2015 at 15:31
Boobook - re #5 - we always plan a lunch or dinner at least 6 months before the trip at a convenient location for all the participants. Nothing is off the table - all views welcome, however we finish by agreeing on the trip requirements (tools / spares / preparation), rough itinery (must meet dates, back by 'x' etc), and any special requests (always wanted to see 'x', would like to spend a few days in 'y' etc.) so we can accommodate if possible. Essential things are agreed and put in writing so no-one can claim ignorance. Works well (and trip planning is fun!!)
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