Latest Navara versus the Hilux - comparison ???

Submitted: Wednesday, Apr 14, 2004 at 17:26
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Looking for a new dual cab diesel turbo - Ok I know the hilux is slightly more - but what are the good and bad with each - had a test drive of the Navara & it seemed Ok except the seat back rest was pretty ordinary. I would say the hilux would be better off road and the Navara better on road - would this be correct. I also think that the Navara might have a bigger tray. Does anyone know of reliability factors with each of these ?
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Reply By: GO_OFFROAD - Wednesday, Apr 14, 2004 at 17:34

Wednesday, Apr 14, 2004 at 17:34
Well if you shopped on price, the navara would be the vehicle for you, given you already have a yota, surely a lux should be the choice if you have already experienced the toyota feeling....;-)
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Reply By: Paul's lot - Wednesday, Apr 14, 2004 at 17:50

Wednesday, Apr 14, 2004 at 17:50
You might wanty to consider that the after market accessories are generally available for the hilux more readily than the navara and toyota seem to hold their value a little better.However I'm sure there are those who disagree.
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Reply By: Member -Bob & Lex (Sydney) - Wednesday, Apr 14, 2004 at 17:50

Wednesday, Apr 14, 2004 at 17:50
People iv'e talked to who have the Navara are very happy with them & say they go better than the Lux, but who knows as i'm a Nissan man. I think off road would be the same as aren't both IFEnd
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Reply By: BILL - Wednesday, Apr 14, 2004 at 17:53

Wednesday, Apr 14, 2004 at 17:53
dont know why but the Navara dual cab diesel has much grater towing capacity @3tonne. Dont know if this is important to you
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Follow Up By: GO_OFFROAD - Wednesday, Apr 14, 2004 at 23:50

Wednesday, Apr 14, 2004 at 23:50
The problem with the nissan is also the 3.0 td engine, [same engine non intercooled in the navara...] 3 weeks ago I was in a nissan dealership [know some people who work in service/parts] and they had 3 GU 3.0 pootrols in all with broken engines, and 2 of them were series 3 pootrols, one with 10,000km on the clock, the other less than 30,000km....

They also still have trouble with stripping 5th gear splines from the main shaft, because the 3.0 engine has a vibration issue, and the flywheel cracking around the bolts, which is oil filled [to act as a damper to try and stop the vibration which hurts the main shaft] and they leak oil, shouldnt be machined, and are over 2k to replace.

Add this to the poor AC and idler bearing with serpentine belt issue [one out, all out] and though the navara may look lie a young mans tonka truck, looks arent everything ;-)
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Reply By: TOB - Wednesday, Apr 14, 2004 at 18:38

Wednesday, Apr 14, 2004 at 18:38
I test drove the Navara, Hilux and Rodeo before i chose Navara. Rodeo handles best but was 4 grand dearer and underpowered compared to the Nav. Rodeo had ABS and airbags which i didn't want but would explain the price difference.
I wont mention the Lux as owners get a bit upset but it has an old (but proven motor which i could run faster than and a less than acceptable gearbox for extra 5 grand they want.
I suggest you drive all the cars and the decision will be easy.
All the crap about Navara and Patrol motors blowing is related to 2000 models.
I am not sure when the Lux stopped blowing gearboxes and diffs but if you have a 3 year warranty i suppose it doesn't matter.
Navara has started to outsell the Hilux for the first time. I guess 800 buyers a month cant be wrong.

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Follow Up By: Member- Peter & Mrs Peter, Lez - Wednesday, Apr 14, 2004 at 20:21

Wednesday, Apr 14, 2004 at 20:21
TOB, not having a sling BUT, Ford Explorer is the biggest seller world wide, I guess 100,000 buyers a month couldn't be wrong. Or could they?

Cheers Peter
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Follow Up By: Pesty - Wednesday, Apr 14, 2004 at 20:26

Wednesday, Apr 14, 2004 at 20:26
What a load of garbage, if you want a deisel go the lux or rodeo as the 3lt nissan motors problems are not confined to 2000 plenty of threads to back it up. If its cheap generally there is a reason. Remember you only get what you pay for!!!

Cheers Steve
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Follow Up By: ThePublican - Wednesday, Apr 14, 2004 at 20:32

Wednesday, Apr 14, 2004 at 20:32
Peter + Mrs Peter ,, no the 100,000 are not wrong,, have had mine since new ,now close to 180,000 and never a spanner needed in anger,, how many topats can say the same.
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Follow Up By: Nav_man - Wednesday, Apr 14, 2004 at 21:30

Wednesday, Apr 14, 2004 at 21:30
Hi all,
I have heard alot about the Nissan motors having problems and there are always a lot of threads to back it up "so to speak" but i have a 2000 model navara and she hasn't missed a beat, i also know a lot of people that own and drive the Navara/Patrol and not one person has got a bad thing to say. If there are any Navara/Patrol owners out there that can say they are genuinely unhappy or they motors have had problems please prove me wrong!! I had a Hilux before the Navara and find the navara to be a better 4wd allround "just my say"

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Follow Up By: TOB - Wednesday, Apr 14, 2004 at 22:45

Wednesday, Apr 14, 2004 at 22:45
good point steve but i am basing my opinion on oz motorists not yanks.
i doubt they have a navara like we do anyway, probably v8s.
What i am saying is that i spoke to a lot of people b4 i spent the hard earned, including using explore oz which has been a great help 4 a newbie. if i asked the yanks i would probably get one of those chev suburbans. plenty of room and comfort...............

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Reply By: Jimbo - Wednesday, Apr 14, 2004 at 20:55

Wednesday, Apr 14, 2004 at 20:55
The Publican,

Sell it now. The only two blokes that I know that have explorers have had major engine problems at around 180,000 km or sooner and were advised by Ford mechanics that 180k is their useful limit. Don't want to spoil your parade but they don't have a great reputation (see 4x4 Aust Oct 2003).

From all accounts if you've had a good run, get out while the getting's good. Of course if you're someone who services it properly and treats it right it may give you many years of good service. However on balance, they do not have a good history.

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Reply By: Slammin - Wednesday, Apr 14, 2004 at 22:21

Wednesday, Apr 14, 2004 at 22:21
Lots of work Navaras getting around in Alice and Western deserts as work vehicles lateley (mainly end of last year start of this year) but the blokes driving them would prefer to be in a hilux for clearance especially in silted up water crossings. The boss doesn't drive it and would rather save the $'s

Engine wise i wouldn't consider speed to be a basis for purchasing a 4wd unless your in the city most of the time. The hiluxes after the 3.0 diesel or 2.7 petrol or better still the V6 are perfectly adequate.
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Reply By: Member - Toonfish - Thursday, Apr 15, 2004 at 00:35

Thursday, Apr 15, 2004 at 00:35
still smiling in my 3.2 diesel
well until i get overtaken by a niki lada!!!!
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Reply By: Baz (NSW) - Thursday, Apr 15, 2004 at 09:10

Thursday, Apr 15, 2004 at 09:10
Jeff, we have a nissan turbo diesel at work, at first they had trouble with it towing a trailer for which it was purchaced for, the trailer capacity is 3 tonne. They were all ready to sell it because of it's inability to tow the trailer when a quick call to the nissan dealer was made to get a reply of has it been run in yet, according to nissan 800 to 1000k before it will tow well, and bugger me, it was true to everyones amazement it was towing the trailer better and the longer it goes the better it tows. Not the most roomie car but boy it can pull. I'm assuming you want a diesel not a petrol. don't know about the new hilux's only the old one's.

Baz. ps, how was big Yango, we went, camped just past the homestead over the creek, nice and peaceful.
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Reply By: Member - Bradley- Thursday, Apr 15, 2004 at 10:49

Thursday, Apr 15, 2004 at 10:49
Well i know the nav is ok if you are 5 foot tall, But bugger me i was on the road the other day and got dragged off by a new td hilux ( i'm in v6 rodeo) don't know if it was stock or had been played with but it went like the proverbial. Most impressed.
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Reply By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Thursday, Apr 15, 2004 at 19:13

Thursday, Apr 15, 2004 at 19:13
Beddo your not getting rid of your precious surf are you??
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Follow Up By: Jeff (Beddo) - Thursday, Apr 15, 2004 at 21:36

Thursday, Apr 15, 2004 at 21:36
Yep I tend to get rid of vehicles around 130-140,000 Km - wouldn't mind another one but the wife wants a dual cab for the ute bit to throw the dog in and I wouldn't mind one of those slip on campers. Otherwise I would think of a Pardo from auctions. It is hard to find a vehicle that is good value for money. Why did they stop the importing of Surfs - I don't believe the money everyone puts out for an equivalent vehicle. To get something which compares to mine when it had 68000Km on it straight from Japan I would have to pay an addition 15 grand - OUCH.
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Reply By: Jeff (Beddo) - Thursday, Apr 15, 2004 at 21:40

Thursday, Apr 15, 2004 at 21:40
Thanks everyone - I think the Hilux is for me as I know from experience the Toyos can hack it. But I wish Toyota had a dual cab slightly bigger ie the Tacoma which is in the USA would be ideal - why can't we import them ?
I don't want to go to a custom dual cab - modified 80 series or so.
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Reply By: John H - Friday, Apr 16, 2004 at 00:47

Friday, Apr 16, 2004 at 00:47
G day

I Have just got a Nissan Navara 2004 modal, and can I say I am really happy with it. I test drove the Hilux and they are nice but i must point out they do not drive as good as the Navara they are a lot more riged ride than the Navara, Navara is a lot more smoother drive and handels very well on road.

I have Just got back from up North were I took it Off road for 4 days beach and full on four wheel driving we had a convoy of 5 four wheel drives 1 patrol my navara and 3 short wheel base toyota 75 models modifidy to the max v8 and I tell you any were they went My navara got there too no problems up the dunes up boggy tracks any were and not once i needed to be bulled out the low range is fantastic got me out of any boggy place GREAT OFF ROAD!!!!!

I have dozzens of friends with Nissan from farmers to familys and not one has had any problems with them the only reson people have problems, and I will tell you why because they thrash them they don't service them they treat it likebleepwell simple looke after any car and it will look after you!!!

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