Stats on Frdges

I have the article and that is a summary of what it was.
Overall was typical half done poor journalism job by 4x4 Monthly as they did not want to lose advertisers

Roachie thanks fax no is (08) 8124 5288 can you mark it attention John

Hey Roachie

If the article falls easily to hand I would also greatly appreciate a copy.

07 3822 6183

Cheers mate

Rosco,
No worries mate, will do.....
Who's gunna come and visit me in jail when they put me away for breach of copywrite?????/ LOL
Cheers,
Roachie

I'll bring you a cake in a file.

Got it thanks mate .... you're a champion.

Cheers

G'day John (Welcome5),
Did all 12 pages of that FAX go through okay.....I got an error message and couldn't tell what had happened.
Let me know and I can stick it through again,
Roachie

Rosco,
You're welcome......

Cheers,

Roachie

Mate,
It's in the September 2001 issue (number 31) of "Australian 4WD Monthly"............... (ie: NOT 4x4 Australia Magazine). There are 12 pages involved (some include half-page ad's) including graphs etc.
Looking further down at some of the other responses, I note that this question has raised the usual number of passionate replies.
I sold my 39 ltr Engel last year; it was 8 years old and never missed a beat. Reasons....= 2
1) a member of our 4x4 club had a 10 y/old unit that chucked in the towel and was too expensive to fix, so I got nervous.....
2) I got $650- for it and bought an ARB (=Engel) 40 litre which I liked the idea of being able to have both plugs permanently plugged in the back all the time. I've mentioned before about how my fridge is on in truck 24/7 and at night I plug 240v into socket on bullbar to take over powering it.
Pesty (EO Member and a mate of mine) has a Waeco 110ltr which he is very happy with, but which has a few issues with voltage cut-out regulation.......it cuts out at a higher voltage than he would prefer; around 11.8v from memory, when it should be 11v......I'm sure he'll correct me if I'm wrong about that. Waeco service has been good, but the 2 replacement modules they've supplied him have been worse than the original from what I can gather and he has gone back to using the original module at present. Fax will be sent Monday.
Cheers,
Roachie

Big John = Big Liar and a stupid dummy

that is such bollocks Big John, i mean the generalisation, not querying you on what happened on your trip.

I have a 30L waeco bought about 3yrs ago. Live in brisbane. In February we had such an extroadinary heat wave we got power blackout. On 44C days and 35C nights with no power i ran my 30L waeco as a freezer for 2 days to keep my frozen stuff frozen as we ate the fridge stuff from an ice filled esky. Never missed a beat - so bugger your 38 degree theory.

and by the way Big John, i reckon after reading later William is an offensive w%%ker and the last person that put that sort of stuff up on this forum got banned so don't take anything he says seriously, but i would put my waeco in any 38C condition with ease of mind. Maybe its the electronics in the later models, mine was made in Germany apparently and later models put together in Korea or something by apprentice quality soldering.

Another dummy with no knowledge of facts.
"higher ampage and are not as effecient" WRONG WRONG WRONG

William...calm down! No need to get your panties in a knot!

Let me ask you what fridge do you have...an bias? What research are you basing your accusations on? I spent 2-3 months going over the facts and figures...the Engel has the best result. My neighbour has the Waeco and will gladly sell his if their are any takers so he ccan buy an Engel. Engel is more durable - far superior in its build (AND made for Australian conditions) where the Waeco is not. But then you are a Waeco owner and I did predict that certain people would get off colour. So what...You have a Waeco. Cheap alternative to the Engel...good for you. Atleast I'll still have a fridge in 5 years :) LOL...and I am no dummy. Join another forum if you want to get shirty!
Sparky

Firstly, I don't own an Engel as I did previously and had to many failures and turned down warranty claims
Secondly you say "AND made for Australian conditions" well if that were true Engel would put some decent insulation into their fridges. The quality of insulation on Engel is identical to Waeco - not good enough
Thirdly Engel is more durable but Waeco has replaced without any issues all faulty lids.
Fourthly Engels compressor is not as efficient as a Danfoss and you could never ever prove it was. Engel compressor is a bit of a dud for reliability and you can then take your fridge to the dump
Fifthly if you really want to know what fridge I own it is a National Luna

William,
You don't know what you are talking about this time and for that matter a lot of other times, but we don't make nasty coments back to you. So all I can say is that I hope most people take what you say with a grain of salt. By the way cheap is not always the way.

Regards Big John

William - we'll have to disagree. AND their lids are still faulty...a prob they realise...for some time. Don't work too well either in temps over 36*...deffinatelty disagree re compressors...but hey, you are entitled to your opinion...I am sorry others opinions upset you so much. No need to keep calling paople dummies all the time. Go take your medication and then come back to the forum. Better still...pay your money and be a member.

Sorry William, have to disagree, and this is based on tests done by ADI who are independant of any of the fridge manufacturerers. Teh ADI test appreared in 4x4 monthly.

Engel did very well in the tests and was on par with Evacool for efficiency. The engel was the 40 litre and teh Evacool a 50 litre so on a volume basis the Engel insulation acturally outperforment the Evacool (greater the volume the less the relative insulated area)

And those tests did not include the Engel SS range which I am sure you will agree have very good insulation (but at a price).

I was also going to buy a Waeco recently from the fridge shop until I read all the reports about the 'great service'.

Now mate its better to agree to disagree before getting personal but if you want I will email you a gif image of the test.

Sean

Sean
I'd be interested in your test results. send me a message with your email details and we'll go from there.
Sparky

Sean you really are a moron if you think Engel insulation could ever outperform anything. Engel insulation is on a par with Waeco.
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about and have no idea about anything. I have the article and do not need anything e-mailed or faxed or anything else to me. That test by ADI was disgustingly amateurish and engineered so 4x4 Monthly did not loose any existing or potential advertisers. If the test had been professionally done it would have had all the power consumption curves etc.
Of course the Evakool was a 50 litre and it killed the Engel 40 litre in every way. 50 is bigger than 40 and a higher figure than 40, you know 1,2,3,4,5 x 10=50

Now sit down and read this from the 4x4 Monthly report with PMT.
"The ARB/Engel scores well on features except price.
Performance is fractionally less consistent then the Bushman and Evakool Downunder" That proves the Engel performance is disgusting compared to the Evakool as the Evakool is 10 TEN litres more capacity.

William

THanks for calling me a moron. Sometimes I am but mostly not, and on this ocacction, I think not.

I really respect people who abuse others behind their internet console. Please post your full name and address or accept the fact that you need to grow up a little. I doubt you will do either.

You may have read the articel but I am not convinced you understood it.

sparkly and others, I am not a member so cannot send messages. If you want the ADI artile emailed, post your email address.

Sean

Sean - drop me an email to cintyb @ optusnet.com.au
Ta
Sparky

Bilbo,
I second what you say, the Autofridge is by far the best.

Regards Big john

Bilbo comparing an Engel to an Autofridge is like comparing a Mini to my BMW. Engel would not even come close in a race to an Autofridge. An Engel is just an average quality disgustingly overpriced bit of gear because they had a monopoly for so long when there were few other fridges available and have continued to rip everybody off. Just look at the ripoff parts prices for Engel.
You are that ignorant of fridge facts you do not even have any idea where a Quirks Autofridgeis made.
Bilbo an Engel would not even come close to an Autofridge or National Luna or Evakool. Engel is on a par with Waeco.
Bilbo go back to kindergarten and learn about fridges and specifications.

Big John Autofridge is a good fridge, but no better than so many other great fridges out there, and certainly not "by far the best".
Autofridge is the most ridiculously priced fridge along with Engel.

William...

Medication.

Go take it.

Then go for a drive in your BMW and cool down.

And stop giving out abuse to anyone who disagrees with you.

LOL
Sparky

I spent many hours trying to find and stop sympathetic vibrations (read rattles) in my Engel. Finally got them stopped, bending a pipe here, stuffing some cardboard there, readjusting clamps.
Now have run an Autofridge for the last 8 years. Very quiet, very efficient.
Gerry

"It must be a wierd feeling to know everything and still have to ask questions."

RFLMAO - classic line Bilbo

Welcome5

take a good look at this site.

www.refrigerationresearch.com.au

explore the full site, including the "how refrigeration works"
and also "how batteries work"
an intellegant child will be able to understand the principles of both batteries and refrigeration...

This is the NEW site for the Liemack fridge and yes, they only work for 15 minutes per hour, I have one!

In the 4x4 test done with the Liemack fridge, the Liemack was the FASTEST fridge to cool down from about +20 to zero and also went down to the LOWEST temperature in a given time, I believe it was 3 hours.
as to how and why it works so well you can read that on their web site....

It is made here in AUSTRALIA....... by ozzies for ozzies