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There was an article on fridges and am interested in details v Waeco Engel and Liemack/Reefer can anyone help or fax the article to me
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Reply By: William - Saturday, Apr 17, 2004 at 20:41

Saturday, Apr 17, 2004 at 20:41
Waeco best value for money

Evakool best fridge for insulation and low power consumption.

Engel over priced and you cannot afford to get it repaired. On power consumption and insulation qualities about the same as Waeco.

Liemack/Reefer is at the bottom of the pile as you need to take a power station with you to power it and a crane to lift it in and out your car and that is empty.
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Reply By: Welcome5 - Saturday, Apr 17, 2004 at 20:50

Saturday, Apr 17, 2004 at 20:50
William thanks what I am after is a copy of an article that appeared in a 4x4 magazine on efficencies for one v's another
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Follow Up By: William - Saturday, Apr 17, 2004 at 20:54

Saturday, Apr 17, 2004 at 20:54
I have the article and that is a summary of what it was.
Overall was typical half done poor journalism job by 4x4 Monthly as they did not want to lose advertisers
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Reply By: Roachie - Saturday, Apr 17, 2004 at 21:00

Saturday, Apr 17, 2004 at 21:00
G'day Bloke,
I think the article you are referring to was in 4WD Monthly, not 4x4 Australia & it was a couple of years ago. They tested the fridges in a climate controlled "cool-room" of some sort.
Let me know your FAX number and I'll dig the article out (I keep all my old mags) and FAX it to you on Monday from work.
Cheers
Roachie
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Follow Up By: Welcome5 - Saturday, Apr 17, 2004 at 21:07

Saturday, Apr 17, 2004 at 21:07
Roachie thanks fax no is (08) 8124 5288 can you mark it attention John
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Follow Up By: Rosco - Bris. - Sunday, Apr 18, 2004 at 18:11

Sunday, Apr 18, 2004 at 18:11
Hey Roachie

If the article falls easily to hand I would also greatly appreciate a copy.

07 3822 6183

Cheers mate
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Follow Up By: Roachie - Sunday, Apr 18, 2004 at 21:08

Sunday, Apr 18, 2004 at 21:08
Rosco,
No worries mate, will do.....
Who's gunna come and visit me in jail when they put me away for breach of copywrite?????/ LOL
Cheers,
Roachie
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Follow Up By: Rosco - Bris. - Sunday, Apr 18, 2004 at 21:26

Sunday, Apr 18, 2004 at 21:26
I'll bring you a cake in a file.
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Follow Up By: Rosco - Bris. - Monday, Apr 19, 2004 at 10:42

Monday, Apr 19, 2004 at 10:42
Got it thanks mate .... you're a champion.

Cheers
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Follow Up By: Roachie - Monday, Apr 19, 2004 at 10:56

Monday, Apr 19, 2004 at 10:56
G'day John (Welcome5),
Did all 12 pages of that FAX go through okay.....I got an error message and couldn't tell what had happened.
Let me know and I can stick it through again,
Roachie
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Follow Up By: Roachie - Monday, Apr 19, 2004 at 10:57

Monday, Apr 19, 2004 at 10:57
Rosco,
You're welcome......

Cheers,

Roachie
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Reply By: Welcome5 - Saturday, Apr 17, 2004 at 21:01

Saturday, Apr 17, 2004 at 21:01
What month of 4X4 was it in
Thanks
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Follow Up By: Roachie - Saturday, Apr 17, 2004 at 22:30

Saturday, Apr 17, 2004 at 22:30
Mate,
It's in the September 2001 issue (number 31) of "Australian 4WD Monthly"............... (ie: NOT 4x4 Australia Magazine). There are 12 pages involved (some include half-page ad's) including graphs etc.
Looking further down at some of the other responses, I note that this question has raised the usual number of passionate replies.
I sold my 39 ltr Engel last year; it was 8 years old and never missed a beat. Reasons....= 2
1) a member of our 4x4 club had a 10 y/old unit that chucked in the towel and was too expensive to fix, so I got nervous.....
2) I got $650- for it and bought an ARB (=Engel) 40 litre which I liked the idea of being able to have both plugs permanently plugged in the back all the time. I've mentioned before about how my fridge is on in truck 24/7 and at night I plug 240v into socket on bullbar to take over powering it.
Pesty (EO Member and a mate of mine) has a Waeco 110ltr which he is very happy with, but which has a few issues with voltage cut-out regulation.......it cuts out at a higher voltage than he would prefer; around 11.8v from memory, when it should be 11v......I'm sure he'll correct me if I'm wrong about that. Waeco service has been good, but the 2 replacement modules they've supplied him have been worse than the original from what I can gather and he has gone back to using the original module at present. Fax will be sent Monday.
Cheers,
Roachie
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Reply By: Big John (QLD) - Saturday, Apr 17, 2004 at 21:19

Saturday, Apr 17, 2004 at 21:19
Welcome5,
If you are a pom and like hot beer go for a Waeco. On a recent trip down the Canning all the Waeco fridges would stop working in temps over 38 deg. (dropped their thermals).They would only work at night, I am sure I could give you the names of several people who would gladly sell you a cheap second hand Waeco. The Danfoss compressors in Waeco and quite a number of other fridges are very voltage conscious and do draw more then the Engel swing compressor.
In my opion something that does not work in all Australian conditions is not good value for money.

Regards Big John.
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Follow Up By: William - Saturday, Apr 17, 2004 at 21:26

Saturday, Apr 17, 2004 at 21:26
Big John = Big Liar and a stupid dummy
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Follow Up By: paul - Sunday, Apr 18, 2004 at 18:01

Sunday, Apr 18, 2004 at 18:01
that is such bollocks Big John, i mean the generalisation, not querying you on what happened on your trip.

I have a 30L waeco bought about 3yrs ago. Live in brisbane. In February we had such an extroadinary heat wave we got power blackout. On 44C days and 35C nights with no power i ran my 30L waeco as a freezer for 2 days to keep my frozen stuff frozen as we ate the fridge stuff from an ice filled esky. Never missed a beat - so bugger your 38 degree theory.
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Follow Up By: paul - Sunday, Apr 18, 2004 at 18:07

Sunday, Apr 18, 2004 at 18:07
and by the way Big John, i reckon after reading later William is an offensive w%%ker and the last person that put that sort of stuff up on this forum got banned so don't take anything he says seriously, but i would put my waeco in any 38C condition with ease of mind. Maybe its the electronics in the later models, mine was made in Germany apparently and later models put together in Korea or something by apprentice quality soldering.
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Reply By: Member - Sparky - Saturday, Apr 17, 2004 at 21:19

Saturday, Apr 17, 2004 at 21:19
Welcome5,

I posted a statement 2-3 days ago about my new engel which received some great feedback...have a read...(post ID 12060)...

At the end of the day you want a fridge that will last and also be effecient. I was in a similar dilema as you...but it came down to durability, ampage, and what has lasted the test of time.

What put me off Waeco's (although I am sure to get an earbashing by Waeco owners) is that their lids don't seem durable - has been an ongoing prob for them. Do a search on this forum. Waeco acknowledge that it has been a prob for them (warping etc)...spoke to a rep...they also have a small plastic lip (1cmx1cm) that holds the lid on...just needs one person to be careless...They run at a higher ampage and are not as effecient. They are light - which is helpful if you are moving it in and out of your 4B.

Evacool RF are a good option...have friends with them and no complaints...are a good insulator...

At the end of the day, you get what you pay for. I have mates with Engels that are 20+ years old and still work as good as they day they bought them...

Perhaps go somewhere where they sell all different types and see what they think and what feedback they have received.

Happy shopping.

Sparky
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Follow Up By: William - Saturday, Apr 17, 2004 at 21:27

Saturday, Apr 17, 2004 at 21:27
Another dummy with no knowledge of facts.
"higher ampage and are not as effecient" WRONG WRONG WRONG
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Follow Up By: Member - Sparky - Saturday, Apr 17, 2004 at 21:34

Saturday, Apr 17, 2004 at 21:34
William...calm down! No need to get your panties in a knot!

Let me ask you what fridge do you have...an bias? What research are you basing your accusations on? I spent 2-3 months going over the facts and figures...the Engel has the best result. My neighbour has the Waeco and will gladly sell his if their are any takers so he ccan buy an Engel. Engel is more durable - far superior in its build (AND made for Australian conditions) where the Waeco is not. But then you are a Waeco owner and I did predict that certain people would get off colour. So what...You have a Waeco. Cheap alternative to the Engel...good for you. Atleast I'll still have a fridge in 5 years :) LOL...and I am no dummy. Join another forum if you want to get shirty!
Sparky
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Follow Up By: William - Saturday, Apr 17, 2004 at 21:43

Saturday, Apr 17, 2004 at 21:43
Firstly, I don't own an Engel as I did previously and had to many failures and turned down warranty claims
Secondly you say "AND made for Australian conditions" well if that were true Engel would put some decent insulation into their fridges. The quality of insulation on Engel is identical to Waeco - not good enough
Thirdly Engel is more durable but Waeco has replaced without any issues all faulty lids.
Fourthly Engels compressor is not as efficient as a Danfoss and you could never ever prove it was. Engel compressor is a bit of a dud for reliability and you can then take your fridge to the dump
Fifthly if you really want to know what fridge I own it is a National Luna
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Follow Up By: Big John (QLD) - Saturday, Apr 17, 2004 at 21:51

Saturday, Apr 17, 2004 at 21:51
William,
You don't know what you are talking about this time and for that matter a lot of other times, but we don't make nasty coments back to you. So all I can say is that I hope most people take what you say with a grain of salt. By the way cheap is not always the way.

Regards Big John
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Follow Up By: Member - Sparky - Saturday, Apr 17, 2004 at 21:53

Saturday, Apr 17, 2004 at 21:53
William - we'll have to disagree. AND their lids are still faulty...a prob they realise...for some time. Don't work too well either in temps over 36*...deffinatelty disagree re compressors...but hey, you are entitled to your opinion...I am sorry others opinions upset you so much. No need to keep calling paople dummies all the time. Go take your medication and then come back to the forum. Better still...pay your money and be a member.
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Follow Up By: sean - Saturday, Apr 17, 2004 at 22:04

Saturday, Apr 17, 2004 at 22:04
Sorry William, have to disagree, and this is based on tests done by ADI who are independant of any of the fridge manufacturerers. Teh ADI test appreared in 4x4 monthly.

Engel did very well in the tests and was on par with Evacool for efficiency. The engel was the 40 litre and teh Evacool a 50 litre so on a volume basis the Engel insulation acturally outperforment the Evacool (greater the volume the less the relative insulated area)

And those tests did not include the Engel SS range which I am sure you will agree have very good insulation (but at a price).

I was also going to buy a Waeco recently from the fridge shop until I read all the reports about the 'great service'.

Now mate its better to agree to disagree before getting personal but if you want I will email you a gif image of the test.

Sean
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Follow Up By: Member - Sparky - Saturday, Apr 17, 2004 at 22:15

Saturday, Apr 17, 2004 at 22:15
Sean
I'd be interested in your test results. send me a message with your email details and we'll go from there.
Sparky
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Follow Up By: William - Saturday, Apr 17, 2004 at 22:16

Saturday, Apr 17, 2004 at 22:16
Sean you really are a moron if you think Engel insulation could ever outperform anything. Engel insulation is on a par with Waeco.
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about and have no idea about anything. I have the article and do not need anything e-mailed or faxed or anything else to me. That test by ADI was disgustingly amateurish and engineered so 4x4 Monthly did not loose any existing or potential advertisers. If the test had been professionally done it would have had all the power consumption curves etc.
Of course the Evakool was a 50 litre and it killed the Engel 40 litre in every way. 50 is bigger than 40 and a higher figure than 40, you know 1,2,3,4,5 x 10=50

Now sit down and read this from the 4x4 Monthly report with PMT.
"The ARB/Engel scores well on features except price.
Performance is fractionally less consistent then the Bushman and Evakool Downunder" That proves the Engel performance is disgusting compared to the Evakool as the Evakool is 10 TEN litres more capacity.
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Follow Up By: sean - Sunday, Apr 18, 2004 at 21:34

Sunday, Apr 18, 2004 at 21:34
William

THanks for calling me a moron. Sometimes I am but mostly not, and on this ocacction, I think not.

I really respect people who abuse others behind their internet console. Please post your full name and address or accept the fact that you need to grow up a little. I doubt you will do either.

You may have read the articel but I am not convinced you understood it.

sparkly and others, I am not a member so cannot send messages. If you want the ADI artile emailed, post your email address.

Sean
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Follow Up By: Member - Sparky - Monday, Apr 19, 2004 at 07:40

Monday, Apr 19, 2004 at 07:40
Sean - drop me an email to cintyb @ optusnet.com.au
Ta
Sparky
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Reply By: Bilbo - Saturday, Apr 17, 2004 at 21:49

Saturday, Apr 17, 2004 at 21:49
Only one fridge I know that'll beat an Engel in temperature, current draw and durability - Autofridge, made in Queensland. I used for years as a professional prospector in W.A.

In temps of 38c I could freeze a can of beer in 5 hours. I had to be careful. I lost a few cans when I forgot. It lived in the back of uncovered tray back ute and has been rocked and shocked from a***hole to breakfast time - never missed a beat.

Swear by 'em, I do

Bilbo
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Follow Up By: Big John (QLD) - Saturday, Apr 17, 2004 at 21:55

Saturday, Apr 17, 2004 at 21:55
Bilbo,
I second what you say, the Autofridge is by far the best.

Regards Big john
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Follow Up By: William - Saturday, Apr 17, 2004 at 22:03

Saturday, Apr 17, 2004 at 22:03
Bilbo comparing an Engel to an Autofridge is like comparing a Mini to my BMW. Engel would not even come close in a race to an Autofridge. An Engel is just an average quality disgustingly overpriced bit of gear because they had a monopoly for so long when there were few other fridges available and have continued to rip everybody off. Just look at the ripoff parts prices for Engel.
You are that ignorant of fridge facts you do not even have any idea where a Quirks Autofridgeis made.
Bilbo an Engel would not even come close to an Autofridge or National Luna or Evakool. Engel is on a par with Waeco.
Bilbo go back to kindergarten and learn about fridges and specifications.
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Follow Up By: William - Saturday, Apr 17, 2004 at 22:06

Saturday, Apr 17, 2004 at 22:06
Big John Autofridge is a good fridge, but no better than so many other great fridges out there, and certainly not "by far the best".
Autofridge is the most ridiculously priced fridge along with Engel.
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Follow Up By: Member - Sparky - Saturday, Apr 17, 2004 at 22:11

Saturday, Apr 17, 2004 at 22:11
William...

Medication.

Go take it.

Then go for a drive in your BMW and cool down.

And stop giving out abuse to anyone who disagrees with you.

LOL
Sparky
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Reply By: Member - JohnR (Vic) - Saturday, Apr 17, 2004 at 22:46

Saturday, Apr 17, 2004 at 22:46
Welcome5, there is an article online at the Overlander 4x4 magazine site that covers quite a few brands. It probably doesn't show the bias of a school kid who masquerades as informed in here.

It does not supply much information and no tests but gives some outlines

http://www.overlander.com.au/pg/equipment.php?id=19
Cheers,
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Reply By: ianmc - Saturday, Apr 17, 2004 at 22:47

Saturday, Apr 17, 2004 at 22:47
No mention here of the Trailblazer made in Qld. Had one for some years without trouble but it became too heavy & took up bit much space for one-up handling in & out the truck so have had a Waeco for 2 years.

The Trailblazer worked for me thru the tropics beatifully chilling cans in an hour & maintaining temp easily over a number of extended trips.

The Waeco has the same Danfoss 35 motor which is expected to run reliably for 20 years & is repairable in almost any town with a frig mechanic and performs as expected. Care is neede with the lid but mine has given no trouble. It has been tumbled a couple of times on tracks when it wasnt properly secured but withstood that well and the case wil take a few bumps.
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Reply By: Member - Jiarna (SA) - Sunday, Apr 18, 2004 at 11:05

Sunday, Apr 18, 2004 at 11:05
Does it keep the beer etc cold? Yes. Who cares what brand it is of you're happy with it. It seems that all brands have had horror stories, and that's not just fridges. I'm happy to compare details like Welome5 wants to do, but at the end of the day, we'll probably all choose different brands even after reading the same data.

If you want to really find what will suit you, try hiring each brand of fridge that you're interested in. Then you can see how it performs in the real world. BTW if you can't find one to hire, there may be a reason why hire companies don't use it (or there may not).

Have fun looking. Whatever you end up with will be better than an esky (touch wood).
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Reply By: Phil P - Sunday, Apr 18, 2004 at 12:12

Sunday, Apr 18, 2004 at 12:12
I had a Waeco 50L fridge, what I liked about it was the light, value for money, generous warranty terms & slightly extra capacity than the Engel 40L. However I sold it and purchased an Engel 40L. Why ?

The Waeco 50L Rattles, it drove me nuts. I had taken it to the service centre and they showed me a brand new compressor out of the box & it rattles. If you go to ANY store that sells Waeco you can try the following test and see what I mean.

Rattle Test
Place fridge on the floor (Fridge Empty), lift one side of the fridge up & down 10cm's a number of times in succession. You will hear the clunk/rattle. If you have a quiet car and keep the fridge in it all the time, you will notice that the even smoothest road will cause the fridge to Clunk.

Phil P

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Follow Up By: joc45 - Sunday, Apr 18, 2004 at 23:13

Sunday, Apr 18, 2004 at 23:13
I spent many hours trying to find and stop sympathetic vibrations (read rattles) in my Engel. Finally got them stopped, bending a pipe here, stuffing some cardboard there, readjusting clamps.
Now have run an Autofridge for the last 8 years. Very quiet, very efficient.
Gerry
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Reply By: Bilbo - Sunday, Apr 18, 2004 at 14:42

Sunday, Apr 18, 2004 at 14:42
What?? What'd I say?? What??

Yes, William you are quite correct- I am ignorant. I only know and have used 2 fridges in my entire life in the bush - an Engel and an Autofridge. I therefore know which is the best of these two brands - and that's all I said in my email. So I wouldn't know any others and in that respect I am ignorant of all other brands.

As for Queensland - all I know is that is where I spoke to a technician about a minor problem I had with the control knob. It broke when a tree fell on the back of the ute in a cyclone.

In your case, I'll keep my opinions to myself.

It must be a wierd feeling to know everything and still have to ask questions.

Bilbo
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Follow Up By: Wombat - Sunday, Apr 18, 2004 at 17:08

Sunday, Apr 18, 2004 at 17:08
"It must be a wierd feeling to know everything and still have to ask questions."

RFLMAO - classic line Bilbo
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Reply By: Bilbo - Sunday, Apr 18, 2004 at 21:23

Sunday, Apr 18, 2004 at 21:23
Thanks, Wombat.

Bilbo
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Reply By: Welcome5 - Monday, Apr 19, 2004 at 22:59

Monday, Apr 19, 2004 at 22:59
Roachie thanks very much got the 13 pages. A friend has a Liemack and went to his place this w/e and it runs for only 15 min period per hr is this good? set at -1 with a temp variation of 5 degs. Hes very happy with its performance.
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Follow Up By: -OzyGuy- - Friday, Apr 23, 2004 at 14:40

Friday, Apr 23, 2004 at 14:40
Welcome5

take a good look at this site.

www.refrigerationresearch.com.au

explore the full site, including the "how refrigeration works"
and also "how batteries work"
an intellegant child will be able to understand the principles of both batteries and refrigeration...

This is the NEW site for the Liemack fridge and yes, they only work for 15 minutes per hour, I have one!

In the 4x4 test done with the Liemack fridge, the Liemack was the FASTEST fridge to cool down from about +20 to zero and also went down to the LOWEST temperature in a given time, I believe it was 3 hours.
as to how and why it works so well you can read that on their web site....

It is made here in AUSTRALIA....... by ozzies for ozzies

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