17 inch off road tyres

Submitted: Wednesday, Apr 28, 2004 at 21:01
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Visiting your site and learning a great deal from your comments. Whilst very happy with first 4wd - 2003 Prado turbo deisel, I am disappointed that it is geared mainly to the suburban market. eg No recovery points at front & 17 inch Dunlop AT Grandtreks that punture very frequeently when off road.

Looking at replacing tyres with more robust type - can't find any at 17 inch. Considering buying 16 inch steel rims with appropriate tyres and changing backwars & forwards when off road and when wife takes over in the suburbs.
Any suugestions?
Cheers, Nick
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Reply By: Member - Bob L - Wednesday, Apr 28, 2004 at 21:10

Wednesday, Apr 28, 2004 at 21:10
Nick,
Have read on this forum that 16" rims will not replace 17" Prado rims without some surgery to calipers, ie grinding down some high points for clearance.
Get some info from someone thats done it before parting with the cash.

Cheers Bob L

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Follow Up By: srowlandson - Wednesday, Apr 28, 2004 at 21:14

Wednesday, Apr 28, 2004 at 21:14
try and find a 16x7 FACTORY 90 Series Prado GXL STEEL rim, i beleive they fit, unmodified.

there are a couple of 17" tyres, BFG AT / Mickey Thompsom /Cooper AT

Goodyear MTR can be special Ordered, as can a few others (6-8 week order time)

Procomp have a few 17" in the 285 size... which requires a few plastic inner guard trims and removal of hte front mudflaps and spring lift to clear.

Steve
03 Prado GX
http://steven.4wdpics.com
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Follow Up By: GO_OFFROAD - Wednesday, Apr 28, 2004 at 22:25

Wednesday, Apr 28, 2004 at 22:25
A small caliper gring to fit 16" is easy to do.

But cooper, Good year, and BF G will all have 17" tyres available soon.

As for front recovery points, if you ordered your vehicle with bar and winch, you would have a rated front recovery point, but a S.A toyota dealer will have aftermarket rated hooks [bolt on] available very soon I believe.
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Reply By: Member - Pesty (SA) - Wednesday, Apr 28, 2004 at 21:18

Wednesday, Apr 28, 2004 at 21:18
Hi Nixon was with a couple on the weekend who had same rig and was running Goodrich ATs on 17 rims. I quized him about it and he said he bought them from America but apparently they are here now at Goodrich HQ in Melbourne. I may be able to get in touch with him if you have no joy.
It is my understanding that you cannot fit 16 as they hit the calipers.
My email is on my rig pic.
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Reply By: Member - StevenL - Wednesday, Apr 28, 2004 at 23:00

Wednesday, Apr 28, 2004 at 23:00
Hi Nixon,

Take delivery of my Prado TD GXL next week. The dealer just phoned today that they are getting it tomorrow and then have to do the A/C, Bullbar and Tinting.

The day it is delivered I have arranged with my friendly tyre dealer to swap the 5 Dunlops for Cooper A/Ts (All Terrains) in P265/70R17 for $750 changeover. He also said that Cooper wil have their ST (Super Traction) available in this size by about October.

For my money going back to 16" would be a bit silly as you will be shelling out for new rims as well as the rubber. Within 12-18 months 17" will be the standard. I hear that pajero is going to 17"s on next model. Landcruiser Sahara (top model) uses 17s and it will only be a matter of time before the rest of the range follows. The same thing happened with the transition from 15" to 16".

Best of luck.

Steven
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Reply By: Nixon - Wednesday, Apr 28, 2004 at 23:07

Wednesday, Apr 28, 2004 at 23:07
Thanks for the advice Steve.

Who sells the Coopers? In my area, I have been to Dunlops, Bridgestones & Tyre Power, without any joy. Are the Coopers any more robust than the Dunlops, as I already have had 3 puntures in 3 off road trips. The tyres have only done 25,000kms.
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Follow Up By: Member - StevenL - Wednesday, Apr 28, 2004 at 23:14

Wednesday, Apr 28, 2004 at 23:14
I am in Adelaide. City Discount Tyres on Main North Road at Prospect.

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Reply By: Member - Bernie. (Vic) - Wednesday, Apr 28, 2004 at 23:08

Wednesday, Apr 28, 2004 at 23:08
Hi Nixon
What area are you in ? maybe someone near by who could try 16" tyre and Prado rim, there was a post here I think re an engineer who said no problems signing for the grinding of the calipers.
The 16" option might come in handy if in a remote area you would get a 16" replacement tyre easier than a 17" IMHO.

Cheers
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Follow Up By: Nixon - Wednesday, Apr 28, 2004 at 23:30

Wednesday, Apr 28, 2004 at 23:30
Thanks Bernie, I am in Pt Pirie , SA.
My 1st preference would be to get more robust 17" tyres. If I can't do that, I will explore the 16 ", just for when I am going bush.
Nothing is clear cut with this rapidly changing market.
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Reply By: Nixon - Wednesday, Apr 28, 2004 at 23:24

Wednesday, Apr 28, 2004 at 23:24
StevenL,
I assume that the friendly tyre dealer who is arranging the tyre swap, is you. If that's the case, the tyre dealer you mentioned is getting a phone call from me and I will be asking for Steven.
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Follow Up By: Member - StevenL - Wednesday, Apr 28, 2004 at 23:35

Wednesday, Apr 28, 2004 at 23:35
Absolutely no allegience other than satisfied customer who is happy to recommend them to someone else looking for the same thing!

If your tone is meant as a smart alec comment then that will put me off using this forum to recommend those businesses that have given me good service just as much as I would bag the crap out of any business that gave me bad service.

Take it or leave it......

Steven
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Follow Up By: Member - StevenL - Wednesday, Apr 28, 2004 at 23:40

Wednesday, Apr 28, 2004 at 23:40
Looking back at my post I am sorry if the way I worded it led you to think that I was the business concerned.

I have been researching this for 3 months before settling on the Coopers. They sound like they suit my situation but you must make up your own mind. I was only trying to pass on my thoughts on your question.

You were the one that asked who sold them....

Steven
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Follow Up By: Nixon - Wednesday, Apr 28, 2004 at 23:49

Wednesday, Apr 28, 2004 at 23:49
Hey Steve,
Appreciate your advice and absolutely sorry that you may have mis read my appreciation for some smart alec comment. I am desperateley trying to work thru this situation and grasped onto the point "I am in Adealide and the co is XYZ", silly me thought that you were that company. My apologies.

I am sure that you will enjoy the car, I certainly am but a little sorry that I hadn't researched it as much as I should have prior to purchase.

Once again , sorry that I misread you note and may have offended you.

Regards, Nick
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Follow Up By: Member - StevenL - Wednesday, Apr 28, 2004 at 23:55

Wednesday, Apr 28, 2004 at 23:55
That's OK Nixon, All is forgiven.

I put in the "I am in Adelaide" because my tip would have been pretty useless if you were in QLD! But I could have worded it better.

Hope you find the rubber to suit your needs.

Steven
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Reply By: Outnabout David (SA) - Thursday, Apr 29, 2004 at 11:14

Thursday, Apr 29, 2004 at 11:14
Nixon,

i tyhink it is all about which tyre place you go to and who you talk to and how experienced they are. I have been running BFG's 17"since November because at that time they were the only LT "Light Truck" tyre available. Someone in Victoria told another member that 17" were all P (passenger rated) tyres.

If you want LT tyres I think BFG and Cooper are the only ones that have them although with cooper you must specify LIght truck as they have both a P rated and LT rated tyre in the A/T config.

By the way my tyres were through Beaurepaires in Adelaide - no commercial interest though.
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Reply By: RainMaker - Thursday, Apr 29, 2004 at 15:02

Thursday, Apr 29, 2004 at 15:02
Hi Guys,

For the Adelaide based guys;

Does anyone know which tyre dealers do the exchange tyres on new vehicles for the Toyota dealers.

I have a GXL which still has the original Grandtreks, but want to change the rims and tyres on my Camper Trailer so they are interchangeable with the Prado. It will also give me access to an extra spare for when I travel without the Camper.
Ideally, I'd like to get original rims and tyres, but I think that will be quite difficult. So, I'll probably get the "Speedy - Grande" rim, which is a Prado copy, and get a tyre to suit.
If I can get hold of a second hand Grandtrek for a reasonable price, it will get me by until I have to get new tyres for the Prado. By that time I hope there's a better range of options to choose from.

Thanks,
Tony
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Follow Up By: Phil G - Thursday, Apr 29, 2004 at 22:00

Thursday, Apr 29, 2004 at 22:00
I bought my MTRs from Beaurepaires in Gouger street, and while chatting it seemed like they did a lot of tyre swaps for the dealers. Call in and ask a dealer - most will let on.
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Follow Up By: RainMaker - Monday, May 03, 2004 at 11:40

Monday, May 03, 2004 at 11:40
Thanks Phil,

Spoke to Beaurepaires, they had a number of tyres that had only travelled from CMI to their workshop. Cost approx $200. compared to approx $280-$290 for new tyres. It'll do me for the time being.

Also found out that Dunlop will be releasing their AT2 tyre in a 265/65/17 size in about 6 months. Listed as road/off-road use 50/50% whereas the std AT20 is listed as 70/30%. May be an alternative in the future.

Regards,
Tony
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Reply By: GOGO - Thursday, Apr 29, 2004 at 21:08

Thursday, Apr 29, 2004 at 21:08
I am going through the same issue at the moment. I should be taking delivery of my new Prado in 3-4 weeks and are looking for replacement rims and tyres. Have spoken to a lot of tyre dealerships and it's amazing how many I have to tell what they can get. Have been looking at getting a 2nd set of wheels and tyres to alternate as doing 30,000klm + on bitumen each year the originals could be more comfortable but no good off road. ROH or Speedy rims seem to be the pick. As for tyre choice there's not much to choose from. Have heard that Bridgestone do a 265/65/17 in the Dueller AT but have not found anyone stocking them. Thought I'd wait the get the vehicle first before pushing the issue. Regarding modifying calipers, I spoke to Toyota and the strongly advise not to take a grinder to the vehicle as warranty issues might ensue. Seems to be about a $3k investment total.

If anyone has any suggestions on UHF's, GPS's and driving lights I'd like to hear from you.

By the way, I'm in the sushine state (but a bit wet at the moment)...

Geoff...
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Reply By: KIM - Thursday, Apr 29, 2004 at 22:47

Thursday, Apr 29, 2004 at 22:47
Hi Nixon,
Coopers will have a 265/70 R17 ST available late may early June 2004. Not a good idea to go to 16" rims.
Regards
Kim
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Reply By: Nixon - Friday, Apr 30, 2004 at 23:17

Friday, Apr 30, 2004 at 23:17
Just a quick note thanking you all for your great feedback and advice. Best wishes, Nixon
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