Ford Territory. AWD v 4WD

Submitted: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 08:41
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I am currently looking at a Ford Territory, has anyone got one yet, if so any stories about them.All wheel drive compared to 4WD whats the difference?.Any help would be great.
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Reply By: Mad Dog (Victoria) - Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 09:34

Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 09:34
Not released yet, anyone who has one works for Ford although you can order one now and lots have. I had a long drive of a pre production 6 months ago. It had heaps of grunt, smooth and quiet, just like driving a good sedan. Fuel consumption is 2L/100K above a Falcon sedan but that's to be expected as it weighs in at 2 tonne so it's no lightweight. Only a few weeks to go till release and you can test drive, some dealers may already have them as the factory is producing a fair few everyday now.
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Reply By: Rosscoe - Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 09:54

Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 09:54
Typically, vehicles like the Ford Territory, Ford Escape, Mazda Tribute, Subaru Outback, Toyota Rav 4, Toyota Klueger and a heap of other models are AWD or full time four wheel drive. The Honda CRV is front wheel drive with 4wd coming into play when front wheel slip is detected. While they are all good vehicles, one has to be aware of the limitations for"Off-Road" use.
To my knowledge none of the vehicles I mentioned above has "Low Range" and their ground clearance has to be taken into account when you are considering their intended use.
AWD is arguable a safer vehicle than a car with only front or rear wheel drive.
Traditionally, (determined somewhat by magazine scribes and others) the term 4WD has been used to imply that the vehicle has a fair degree of off road capability in the control of an experienced driver. Some 4wd vehicles are AWD in normal operation (Toyota Prado) others use 2WD for normal city work allowing selection of 4WD in various ways for slippery surfaces, sand, rough dirt tracks/roads, and rough terrain.
Hope this helps.
It's said that as many of 90% of "4WD" vehicles never leave suburban streets or highways.
When considering the Ford Territory you need to decide what is your intended use.
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Follow Up By: Rosscoe - Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 09:55

Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 09:55
Maybe wrong aboy the Territory. Does it have low range?
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Follow Up By: GaryInOz (Vic) - Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 09:59

Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 09:59
No.

But it will be very interesting to see who is going to make the first "Real 4WD" Territory, giving it a decent low range and better clearance......
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Follow Up By: Mad Dog (Victoria) - Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 10:11

Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 10:11
And don't forget with the Territory you have the option of 2wd...rear driven only... extra $4000 for the AWD
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Reply By: Member - Bradley- Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 10:50

Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 10:50
Yeah the ford is available as a 2wd only as well, just as the jeep cheroke is in the usa, good for the 'look' i suppose. might as well get a voyager if that is all you want.

David , the ford is set up as an awd , so no low range etc. basically a big version of a subaru forester etc. Probably will be good for dirt roads / forest roads as it looks like it will ride well, good for the snow as well. If they use more juice than the normal ba does, then you will need a healthy bank balance.
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Follow Up By: GaryInOz (Vic) - Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 11:05

Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 11:05
Territory unlaiden ground clearance 188 mm, Forester 204 mm, normal Falcon ~175 mm.

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Follow Up By: Member - Bradley- Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 11:14

Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 11:14
ha ha ha , thems some great clearance there !! Go the subie.. ah well it will still clear the speed humps at the local school and probably be accused of stealing shopping trolleys as well, just like all of the 'urban assault vehicles' ( blast fron the past there )..

How do you reckon the kia will go head to head with the brumby in my pic ??
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Follow Up By: Mad Dog (Victoria) - Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 11:43

Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 11:43
The healthy bank balance is only required for around town work as the au/ba. On the highway where it can stretch its legs it's a different beast.
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Follow Up By: Member Colin - NSW Bungendore - Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 15:20

Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 15:20
FYI
All non turbo manual Subaru's have low range.

We passed a Territory on the Cabramurra/Khancoban Rd a few weeks ago - looks good.
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Follow Up By: Rosscoe - Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 15:41

Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 15:41
I thought only the Forester had low range and not on the latest model. Do Outbacks have low rang?
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Follow Up By: Member Colin - NSW Bungendore - Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 16:06

Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 16:06
Just as I said

"ALL non turbo manual Subaru's have low range"

but - if I had a few more $$ I would get an auto GT Forester (turbo) - plenty of power and no need for low range ! (not the new XT - too much power, and not economical). There is lots of 'off road' gear available for Foresters.
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Follow Up By: GaryInOz (Vic) - Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 16:07

Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 16:07
Bradley,

I think it would be interesting, as the Brumby does appear to have a very good rampover angle, but stuff all wheel travel.

Do you have anymore info on it?? As a previous owner of a MY81 Subie wagon (2" lift, Weber carby, 175/75 tyres) I would be curious to know the mods done to get that lift.
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Follow Up By: Member - Bradley- Wednesday, May 05, 2004 at 12:54

Wednesday, May 05, 2004 at 12:54
Hi Gary, as a fellow former subie owner ( brumby) i agree it does apper to have good clearance angles. My buddy came across this when he was searching for parts for his brumby a while ago. It was called the 'brat' , google might find it. Don't know too much about it apart from what you can see in the photo. sure looks the goods but.. I think most of the gear was custom made.

BTW he did find a place in nsw which does drive in / drive out conversions on 1800 subies , wrx motor and box, brakes etc. fully engineered for about $5500. Now that would be interesting...
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Reply By: Mad Dog (Victoria) - Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 12:10

Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 12:10
Bit of a write up here for what it worth.

http://carsguide.news.com.au
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Follow Up By: Baz (NSW) - Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 17:36

Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 17:36
All this fuss over a Ford, there is hope for the mighty Explorer yet !!

Baz.

PS, has'nt exploded yet !
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Follow Up By: Mad Dog (Victoria) - Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 17:58

Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 17:58
Well, don't want to harp on too much Baz, suffice to say that the people of Ford Oz are extremely proud of this vehicle.
Explorer! oh yes that imported thing :)
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 18:06

Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 18:06
Everywhere I have seen it written up it got rave reviews. I think this is the birth of a new Australian genre of vehicle and IMHO will probably one day replace the Falcon wagon. The AWD is surefooted but I cant see it being a true off roader, it doesnt have low range does it Ray?
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 18:08

Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 18:08
p.s. love your blond hair Ray, although that pink top just isnt you!
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Follow Up By: Baz (NSW) - Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 18:41

Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 18:41
I dunno !! goes with his blue jeans. Got to fix their quality control too.

Baz.

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Follow Up By: Mad Dog (Victoria) - Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 18:57

Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 18:57
You don't like me in pink Geoff! I'll give it back to the missus then. She's getting tired of me nicking her underw....errr tops that is :)

No, no low range and who wants a true off roader apart from the army, those steel tracks aren't too good on the black top. Everything is a compromise, some more than others.
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Reply By: spm1982 - Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 22:03

Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 22:03
Hi, I'm from geelong and work at Ford, and see a fair few of them on the road 'cause Ford product development is down here, the Territory does not have low range 4wd and I'd be tipping that it never will. It is just a 'softroader' as for underneath, theres not much protection from damaging parts if the car is bottomed out. If your after something for taking off the beaten track a Landcruiser or patrol is the way to go. The territory is more for taking the kids to school. The only place the awd might be a mojor help is at the snow. As for taking it off road, I wouldn't take it much further then my Ford Focus.
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Reply By: Matt (W.A.) - Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 23:24

Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 23:24
David
If their anything like the Holden Cross 8 then read the latest copy of 4WD Monthly they don't get a real good Write Up for Offroadability!

HTH
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Follow Up By: rolande- Wednesday, May 05, 2004 at 07:08

Wednesday, May 05, 2004 at 07:08
Matt,
It will get a much better write up than the cobbled together Cross 8, why do you think they only put the GEN III in it? And remember, the turbo motor will show up later, Ford are just waiting to see the numbers and keeping something in reserve to release in 12 - 18 months time, under FPV logo may-be?
The 4WD system used in the Territory is about 3 generations ahead of the Cross 8. If they want to do a real test put a Cross 8 against a Falcon RTV with diff lock, now that would really show you something!
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