gu series 1,2,3 - differences

Submitted: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 12:17
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hi all,

what is the most obvious way of determining if a gu patrol is a series 1, 2 or 3? i am looking around at the 3ltr patrols, mainly for the lower running costs, but am quite aware, thanks only to this forum, of the issues in the series 1 engine.

how do people identify the particular models?

thanks again, tdcockers
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Reply By: Member - Andrew O - Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 12:45

Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 12:45
td,
The 3ltr is only in series 2 & 3 patrols. Visual differences are mostly in the front grills. Have a look at a couple ... you'll see what I mean.
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Andrew
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Follow Up By: tdcockers - Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 12:53

Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 12:53
oh, ok. thanks for that. so is it the series 2 that have been renowned for the problems, or is there a specific date where something changed that stopped the problems?
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Reply By: Member - Captain (WA) - Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 12:58

Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 12:58
The series one GU diesel is the 2.8TD 6 cyl, released ~1998.
The series two is the first 3.0TD 4 cylinder diesel, released ~2000.
The series 3 is the "upgraded" 3.0 motor, released ~late 2001, but not sure exactly when.
There was a recall on the series 2 that increased the oil capacity and pickup location, but it is NOT equivalent to the series 3 motor.

The easiest way to tell the 3.0TD series 2/3 apart is that the series 3 has mag wheels as standard and the rear tail lights have a substantial clear section. The series 2 tail lights are virtually all red/orange. Also, the series 3 have seat height adjusters for the drivers side. There are more telltale signs, but these are the obvious ones I know.

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Follow Up By: tdcockers - Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 13:45

Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 13:45
just looked at your profile, i suspect this has been done to death earlier in the forum, but does te dtronic make a noticable difference? what is the economy like for driving normally on the highway?

also, i dont suppose your dealer warantee still stands once you have installed it, is the dealer reasonable about it or do they not want to know you afterwards?
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Follow Up By: Member - Captain (WA) - Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 14:10

Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 14:10
The Dtronic is great, makes a very noticeable addition to power, particularly down low where the 3.0TD lacks punch off the line. Now have 420Nm of torque at 2000rpm, standard maximum was 354Nm. Have the old maximum torque at 1300rpm now, VERY noticeable improvement. (but the new 3.0 diesel BMW has a whopping 480Nm of torque!!!)

As for warranty, it simply plugs in and is removed within seconds!

Economy is now around 11.5l/100kms city and 16 l/100kms when towing my 1.6T van at 100km/hr country. Dtronic din't seem to change economy, improved it if anything and thats with the power increase!. Very impressed with economy and is a vast improvement on my previous 1HZ 80 series for towing, both power wise and economy wise (12.5l/100km city, 18l/100kms towing and maximum torque of 272Nm).

Just clocked over 15,000kms today and am a very happy convert to the Nissan camp.

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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 13:37

Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 13:37
Series 1 Blow up Engines
Series 2 Gearboxs
Series 3 they seem to have it sorted ....
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Follow Up By: tdcockers - Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 13:41

Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 13:41
something about that reply had me in stitches laughing

short, sweet, honest - very australian :)

the .... at the end - does that mean there is something else starting to show up that you know of, or are you just a bit cautious after the fun and games of the first ones?

thanks also captain for your response
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Follow Up By: Trol - Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 16:40

Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 16:40
Truckster,

Heard of the series 1, and 2 alleged probs, but yet to actually speak to someone whose had the problem, we were discussing this over a camp fire at Peach Trees over the long weekend after a day of play at landcruiser and we'd all heard about the problems but never met anyone. We know of at least 8 gu 3l tdi owners with 3 who have over 160,000k's on them and not a problem to date. Of course, only know of one with a 2.8 series one but the only prob was when 5th gear let go, only after towing a tonne of camper around for 60,000 k's.

You know of a few?

Trol.
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 17:02

Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 17:02
Goto http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Patrol4WD/ and ask there.. theres a poll on the 3.0 engine problems.

Read a few threads last week, that had blown up, I think there was 2-3??

Yes I do personally know a few, know dozens on the net via lists like this one... Others are just dudes in our club..
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Follow Up By: Member -Bob & Lex (Sydney) - Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 18:29

Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 18:29
Mine blew up sat Anzac w/end. Waiting for new motor
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Wednesday, May 05, 2004 at 00:42

Wednesday, May 05, 2004 at 00:42
Bob, thats 12 mths to the day that Rolys blew up.. His ran out of warranty the NEXT DAY!

They are replacing no questions asked??
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Follow Up By: Member -Bob & Lex (Sydney) - Thursday, May 06, 2004 at 17:34

Thursday, May 06, 2004 at 17:34
Nice anniversery present for me :):). Yes they seem to be coming to the party or it could be a huge law suit.
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Reply By: maverick - Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 17:45

Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 17:45
most obvious way - look at the headlights - changed for all series and sometimes in between as well. rgds
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Reply By: rolande- Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 21:01

Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 21:01
Series 1 - clear rear tail lamp on left hand side only above bumper
Series 2 - rear amber indicators and red tail lamps above bumper
Series 3 - two large clear rear reflectors on tail lamps above bumper
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Reply By: rolande- Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 21:02

Tuesday, May 04, 2004 at 21:02
Series 1 - clear rear tail lamp on left hand side only above bumper
Series 2 - rear amber indicators and red tail lamps above bumper
Series 3 - two large clear rear reflectors on tail lamps above bumper
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Reply By: srowlandson - Wednesday, May 05, 2004 at 08:17

Wednesday, May 05, 2004 at 08:17
Series 1 had:
4.2 NA and later Turbo Dielsel
4.5 Petrol
2.8 Diesel (Turbo Intercooled)

Series II was release March 2000
2.8 dropped
3.0 ZD30 release
All 4.2 came Turbo'd
New Grill and a change to rear panhard rod

Series III
4.5 Dropped 4.8 Petrol Release
Front Indicators/grill/ rear non working taillights changed to a chrome looking ones. Engine changes for the ZD30 to fix previous problems. After about 2-3months of the Series III , they stopped fitting Steel wheels to 'st' patrols instead fitting Alloy. Reason, Early GU wheels cracked and the newer design was worth more than the Alloy. Only STEEL wheel available were on the DX wide Wheel pack andthe Utes.

Unoffical Series IV was introduced when the 4.2 got the intercooler and bonnet scoop. This also saw new interor trim, second ciggy lighter.

Hope This Helps.

My advice, steer clear of a Series II if looking at ZD30 patrols, and try and buy as later model as you can.

Steve
(i had a july 2000 zd30 Patrol)
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Follow Up By: sensei - Thursday, May 06, 2004 at 14:29

Thursday, May 06, 2004 at 14:29
Gearbox problems started from when the 3.0ltr motor was released right throught to the end of October 2001, this would also includes some GU III both in the 4.2 and 3.0ltr engines
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Reply By: Chris Larsen - Thursday, May 06, 2004 at 08:36

Thursday, May 06, 2004 at 08:36
Design of the base of the rear recovery point bracket seems to change in shape between models as well.
Regards Chris
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