Re - Valvoline Oil

Submitted: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 at 19:58
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Hi All
I just had a 10K service done on my Deisel Troopy and the dealer used a Valvoline Oil listed on the invoice as "Valvoline 5000 Engine Oil".

I had a look at the Valvoline web site and can find no reference to this listing.

Anybody got any ideas as to what they used ?.

As a side note I can't help but get an uncomfortable feeling everytime I go near a dealer service department, That I think they have taken me for a ride type feeling.
Never nice.

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John
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Reply By: John - Wednesday, May 05, 2004 at 20:02

Wednesday, May 05, 2004 at 20:02
Sorry should be "Diesel" fat fingers on the key board again.
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Follow Up By: Andrew & Jen (Melb) - Wednesday, May 05, 2004 at 20:48

Wednesday, May 05, 2004 at 20:48
..........could be you new alias! hahaha

(Fat Fingers)
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Reply By: marklynn - Wednesday, May 05, 2004 at 20:25

Wednesday, May 05, 2004 at 20:25
Why use the dealers if you are not convinced of the quality of service that you are paying for...To satisfy warranty conditions you only have to use a lisenced repairer..ie MTA approved or such like depending which state you live in...Dealers in my experience charge way to much & deliver bugger all..I've been using a private repairer to service my Navara since day one with no dramas..If a warranty issue arises, which it won't being a Nissan, it can either be repaired by the lisenced repairer with consultation with the dealer principal or you can take the vehicle, Toyota or other brand , to a dealer, prove service history by your lisenced dealer & have them repair it.
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Follow Up By: marklynn - Wednesday, May 05, 2004 at 20:31

Wednesday, May 05, 2004 at 20:31
Sorry forgot to mention that if you use genuine filters for the term of the warranty there is then nothing that the dealer can winge about
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Follow Up By: John - Wednesday, May 05, 2004 at 20:51

Wednesday, May 05, 2004 at 20:51
Yeah the only reason I went back this time was I had a couple of small items for warranty repair, thought it would be easier to get the lot done at the same time.

I have already had discussions with another mechanic who will probably be the one I use from now on.

As you say charge to much and deliver bugger all.
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Reply By: Vinnie - Wednesday, May 05, 2004 at 22:11

Wednesday, May 05, 2004 at 22:11
John
I believe Valvoline 5000 is a synthetic grade with high detergent. I wouldn't think a dealer is going to use inferior quality oil in your engine so to avoid future comebacks.
I do my own servicing on my TD42 Mav and switched from Castrol (very watery by 5000km) tobleepS Titan 33 and find it has good viscosity at 5000km change still.
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Follow Up By: John - Wednesday, May 05, 2004 at 22:25

Wednesday, May 05, 2004 at 22:25
Hi Vinnie
Thanks for that, Is it known by any other name as I could not find it listed on the Valvoline web site.
Is it any good ?

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Follow Up By: Aussie 1 - Thursday, May 06, 2004 at 20:02

Thursday, May 06, 2004 at 20:02
valvoline VSL 5000 is "synthetic enhanced" and more expensive to the dealer than valvoline formula 5000, doubt it to be VSL 5000 as more profit to be made with formula 5000. both are 15w/40 sj/cf
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Reply By: Vinnie - Wednesday, May 05, 2004 at 22:40

Wednesday, May 05, 2004 at 22:40
John
I can only similate it with Valvoline VLS5000 I used it in a Magna I owned for 5 years and did around 120,000 Km and the motor was in A1 condition still. Don,t be concerned with using Valvoline oils I reckon they are a top product, I like thisbleeps titan 33 though ( I noticed they bleeped out the name last post "cause it sounds like a dirty word) only because I know the people in the plant that make it.
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Reply By: colin - Thursday, May 06, 2004 at 10:21

Thursday, May 06, 2004 at 10:21
i think you will find valvoline is nissans recommended oil. Col
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Reply By: Russell from Synforce Lubricants - Thursday, May 06, 2004 at 18:21

Thursday, May 06, 2004 at 18:21
if it's any help, my thoughts are that it is valvoline "formula 5000" being a 15w/40, SJ/CF. suggest you ring valvoline technical to get the gaf on this. regards, russell
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Follow Up By: John - Thursday, May 06, 2004 at 22:23

Thursday, May 06, 2004 at 22:23
Thanks Russell appreciate the reply
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Reply By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Thursday, May 06, 2004 at 18:30

Thursday, May 06, 2004 at 18:30
I've read these oil discussions over and over and everyone has a different opinion. I used to always use castrol in my petrol 4by, I guess I was a sucker for advertising and thought good o'l larry perkins wouldn't use it if it wasn't good. But now people say it's garbage. I wasn't sure what the hell to use in the surf last oil change, I always thought shell was poo, but that dude from Synforce said that "they were one of the good guys" so I put 8.5L of shell 15w40 in the ol' girl at last change. Seems to have been going alright, nearly due for another change, what do I do fellas!!??
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Follow Up By: Member -Bob & Lex (Sydney) - Thursday, May 06, 2004 at 19:21

Thursday, May 06, 2004 at 19:21
Call Russel from Syncforce or use what you like , but iv'e used Valvoline in our trucks for 18 yrs ,950,000 on motor before rebuild & never touched gearbox or diffs.
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Reply By: Aussie 1 - Thursday, May 06, 2004 at 19:35

Thursday, May 06, 2004 at 19:35
i think you will find it is valvoline formula 5000, and most likely you will not find it on their site.
formula 5000 is one of those products sold only to dealers etc, the main reason being you cannot compare the price the dealer is charging you as against what you could by it for off the shelf in an auto store for.
formula 5000 is a 15w/40 sj/cf
i believe that there are many oil brands that are ok, it is that the wrong products are often recommended into the wrong application, and this is what causes more problems resulting in an oil getting a bad name.
if you feel inclined do the following and you should get enough info to make up your own mind about formula 5000 in a diesel engine.
1. phone valvoline technical and ask for two prime recommendations for your vehicle, a first and second choice that is.
2. hang up and ring back after 5 mins or so and ask what formula 5000 is.
3. hang up and ring back again and ask would formula 5000 be ok in your 4wd diesel, but don't mention that a dealer put it in or they may choose to back up the dealer.
all a bit underhanded i know, but it would be very interesting to hear their answers.
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Follow Up By: John - Thursday, May 06, 2004 at 22:24

Thursday, May 06, 2004 at 22:24
Thanks Aussie
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Reply By: Rossco100series - Friday, May 07, 2004 at 20:26

Friday, May 07, 2004 at 20:26
Howdy

I have a Maverick shorty diesel and have been using Shell Rimula X oil every 5000k's and never and problems. Both Shell and Mobil make great oil's and for a bit of trivia Castrol use base oils from major oil manufactors and just add there own additive package's. This also go's for Penrite as well. And now Castrol is owned by BP.

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