2 TOYOTA MYTHS DEBUNKED

Submitted: Friday, May 07, 2004 at 17:51
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Got 3 vehicles in the carpark at work a 75 series a 78 series and a hilux so I did a bit of checking to test some common misconceptions continually quoted but never checked so here are 2 myths often mentioned but now disproved
1) the front diffs on new cruisers are the same as on the hilux- sorry guys not even close

2) toyotas gone soft with 5 stud wheels - yea they might be 5 stud but they are beefed up and are larger than the old 6 stud pins
have a good weekend and may your wheels stay on and your front diff remain intact
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Reply By: Rosco - Bris. - Friday, May 07, 2004 at 18:09

Friday, May 07, 2004 at 18:09
IMHO the studs are still too small. Haven't actually measured them and may well stand corrected but I don't think they're anywhere near 16mm (5/8")
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Reply By: maverick - Friday, May 07, 2004 at 18:40

Friday, May 07, 2004 at 18:40
front diff on the 78 different to the 100. rgds
Slow down and relax......

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Reply By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Friday, May 07, 2004 at 18:51

Friday, May 07, 2004 at 18:51
If I owned one, I wouldn't be happy with only 5 studs unless they had as much meat as the Defender/Disco etc.
As for the diffs, their reputation preceeds them.......transplant a set of Nissan beam axles and you'd be on the right track. LOLOLOL
Just dangling a line blokes.....don't get your pantyhose in a twirl.....
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Follow Up By: Goran - Friday, May 07, 2004 at 21:50

Friday, May 07, 2004 at 21:50
True. Nissan has stronger diffs. Too bad their chasiss is as tin as sardine can.
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Follow Up By: Goran - Friday, May 07, 2004 at 21:50

Friday, May 07, 2004 at 21:50
True. Nissan has stronger diffs. Too bad their chasiss is as tin as sardine can.
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Follow Up By: Jeff (Beddo) - Saturday, May 08, 2004 at 18:34

Saturday, May 08, 2004 at 18:34
Yep a Toyota with nissan diffs would be a great vehicle - toyota apart from weak diffs have a terrible turning circle - body and everything else great. But put Toyota diffs in a Nissan and the whole package would be crap.
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Follow Up By: Davoe - Sunday, May 09, 2004 at 20:31

Sunday, May 09, 2004 at 20:31
Jeff they can be adjusted to turn tighter. went to do a 3 point turn in a troopy and it did a uey easily. I said what the to the owner and he daid yea you can adjust them but I never found out how also my l/c camper has been adjusted and turns way tighter than normal
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Reply By: thomo - Friday, May 07, 2004 at 20:31

Friday, May 07, 2004 at 20:31
I dont understand the problem with only having five studs.I have never heard of anyone having problems with them.
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Follow Up By: Member - Cruisin (QLD) - Friday, May 07, 2004 at 20:39

Friday, May 07, 2004 at 20:39
Good call thomo !!
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Follow Up By: Rosco - Bris. - Friday, May 07, 2004 at 22:58

Friday, May 07, 2004 at 22:58
Time will tell.
Cross sectional area ..... 12mm - 110 sq. mm ... 16mm - 200 sq. mm.

Work it out for yourself.
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Follow Up By: Coops (Pilbara) - Saturday, May 08, 2004 at 09:28

Saturday, May 08, 2004 at 09:28
my problem with 5 studs is that both my trailers are also set up with 6 stud rims as are other family members and friends vehicles. This way I know that extra tyre/rim if needed is just around the corner be it a Cruiser or Patrol.
When you live 600 km's from anywhere that's reassuring believe me.
As much as I would like a 100 series it won't be happening (IFS don't help either) and I think this was a poor decision on Toyota's behalf.
How many farmers etc would be caught in the middle of the same situation.
Just my thoughts - not trying to start anything
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Reply By: Member - Dave (Pilbara) - Friday, May 07, 2004 at 23:30

Friday, May 07, 2004 at 23:30
I belive the diff story is greatly over the top as well. I have asked several dealers in my travels and most say they have not seen that many.
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Follow Up By: Mrs Diamond - Saturday, May 08, 2004 at 15:16

Saturday, May 08, 2004 at 15:16
friend of ours works in a diff/gearbox place in qld.
he was telling us toyota diffs keep him in a job.
ps hes a toyota man
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Reply By: Flash - Saturday, May 08, 2004 at 09:18

Saturday, May 08, 2004 at 09:18
I've seen three busted ones!
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Reply By: Dion - Saturday, May 08, 2004 at 09:41

Saturday, May 08, 2004 at 09:41
Didn't Toyota change to five studs because humans only have five fingers on each hand (well one thumb and four fingers) to make it easier for Toyota drivers to change wheels. Not sure of their logic there, but that's what I been told.
;P

Cheers,

Dion.
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Follow Up By: Mrs Diamond - Saturday, May 08, 2004 at 15:15

Saturday, May 08, 2004 at 15:15
hahahahahahahahaha
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Reply By: Seto - Saturday, May 08, 2004 at 13:07

Saturday, May 08, 2004 at 13:07
I have also seen 3 front diffs blown, including my own which went at 5,000K. The dealer declined to tell me what had actually failed but we suspect in my case there was either no oil or a lack of because when we removed the filler plug and checked level the finger came out clean. I was also told that a new one would have to come from Japan but they found one in Darwin.

David
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Reply By: Member Eric - Sunday, May 09, 2004 at 11:25

Sunday, May 09, 2004 at 11:25
have run 35's on a 100 series for a year now , now problems . It is a pain not to match other 6 stud vehicles when in a convoy . I will try to see how far off a Rang Rover pattern is for future refrence . I am a fan of Nissan diffs , I know that alot of the problems are solved with air lockers , since both wheels will rotate at the same spead, so if you get a wheel off the ground , it dosnt slam onto the ground spining at a big speed .
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Reply By: Large - Sunday, May 09, 2004 at 11:44

Sunday, May 09, 2004 at 11:44
I am driving a 09/2002 79 series cruiser, 116000 kms all done in south west QLD.
Have done in a front tailshaft uni joint and cracked yoke as well, rear diff hosinf replaced as all the welds along the top had cracked and it was leaking oil and have a new rear diff on order. My last vehicle was a 2001 78 series and was a good one until the gear box packed it it (mainshaft) at 123000 kms. But hey! never a problem with the 5 wheel studs. I agree with others though, we now have a whole bunch of old 75 rims that are only good for our old trailers and when towing, extra spares nedd to be carried. Don't make 'em like hey used to.

Cheers.
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Reply By: SUNSEEKER - Sunday, May 09, 2004 at 13:55

Sunday, May 09, 2004 at 13:55
Large,
You must be real unlucky with your 79 & 78 series Land cruisers as I have driven
75 & 78 series Troopys on many trips over the top from Perth with no problems at all and that includes some real rough stuff.I am now retired an own a 78 series Troopy (2001) which has done three trips up north one of which was to Cooktown via Gulf country and the infamous Creb trek with one puncture being my total problem---I'll stick with my Toyotas thank you,5 studs included.
Happy days
Sunseeker
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Follow Up By: Large - Sunday, May 09, 2004 at 14:36

Sunday, May 09, 2004 at 14:36
Sunseeker,
Yeah a bit unlucky, the diff housing and tailshaft were covered under warranty, 99800km when it went in for service, but my boss is the unlucky one, he gets to pay for it. Our vehicles are oil and gas industry use, never see bitumen and we have a large fleet of cruisers. As a fleet they are not too bad, maybe I am unlucky. Never had this much dramas with old 75's I've driven in the past, some with over 300000kms on them.
The 79's though are so much better to drive, 5 wheel studs and all.

Cheers
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Reply By: Des Lexic - Monday, May 10, 2004 at 14:24

Monday, May 10, 2004 at 14:24
Davoe, having being in the situation of having a new front diff fitted due to accident, I asked our local Toyota Dealer, "Is the 100 series front diff a Hilux diff" to which he replied, "No its a 100series front diff that is the same as a Hilux diff"
Hahahahaha I thought. Luckily my friendly insurance company picked up the bill.
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