Passport Retention

Submitted: Saturday, Aug 15, 2015 at 16:53
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For all tourists travelling overseas, it is advisable to request from your travel agent, cruise company, airline and/or accommodation whether your passport will be withheld by them, duration & means of identification should an incident arise.
A recent cruise was more than upsetting when our passports were requested prior to mounting the gangplank. When asked for an explanation, we were advised "a requirement of the Indonesian Government & if you do not comply, you will not permitted to board the P&O ship."

Upon inquiry to Dept of Foreign Affairs & Trade, the following advice:-

"The Australian Passport Office advises that you should keep your passport secure at all times. It is a document accepted internationally for identity purposes and should be kept in your possession while travelling overseas. We would suggest you enquire with P&O, or any future tour company as to whether you could provide a copy of your passport so that you can retain your physical passport in your possession."

Make this part of your Travel Insurance Plan.
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Reply By: Hoyks - Saturday, Aug 15, 2015 at 18:20

Saturday, Aug 15, 2015 at 18:20
More likely "a requirement of P&O to make it easier for us to clear Indonesian customs & if you do not comply, you will not permitted to board the P&O ship."
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Reply By: OBJ - Saturday, Aug 15, 2015 at 18:21

Saturday, Aug 15, 2015 at 18:21
Possibly another example of Australia sucking up to the Indonesians.
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Follow Up By: Motherhen - Saturday, Aug 15, 2015 at 19:46

Saturday, Aug 15, 2015 at 19:46
If you want to visit Indonesia, you have to comply with their rules, regulations and customs.
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Follow Up By: OBJ - Saturday, Aug 15, 2015 at 20:01

Saturday, Aug 15, 2015 at 20:01
Thanks for that piece of sage advice. I'll remember that it I ever lose my marbles and decide I want to go there.
Australia has more than enough to hold my interest without me ever wanting to visit that sheet-hole.
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Follow Up By: Motherhen - Saturday, Aug 15, 2015 at 22:49

Saturday, Aug 15, 2015 at 22:49
Australia has more than enough to see in a lifetime, and I prefer it too OBJ. Bali is beautiful, and the Balinese are a very different race to the Indonesians. But although we see spectacular sights and meet and catch up gorgeous and gentle people and share their rich and colourful culture, it is so nice to get back and see Australia.

When our elder daughter was in high school and her proposed trip to Bali with my sister was going to overlap a week of school term due to difficulties getting school holiday flights, we went to see the Headmaster. He said emphatically students could not miss school for holidays. Where did she want to go? Bali. "Ah, the Balinese looks like he has just eaten an orange, and the Indonesian like he has just eaten a lemon. You will love it."

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Follow Up By: Member - Boobook - Sunday, Aug 16, 2015 at 07:47

Sunday, Aug 16, 2015 at 07:47
I think it's fantastic that you don't want to go overseas OBJ.



You would give an awful impression of what Australians can be like.

Best you stay here forever. In fact you should be banned from overseas travel. Better still.

Then you can live in your own little ignorant world, happy in the knowledge that you don't have to suffer all that the world can give.
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Follow Up By: OBJ - Sunday, Aug 16, 2015 at 07:53

Sunday, Aug 16, 2015 at 07:53
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Follow Up By: Member - Boobook - Sunday, Aug 16, 2015 at 08:29

Sunday, Aug 16, 2015 at 08:29
Obviously it's not just overseas that you leave a bad impression.
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Follow Up By: ModSquad - Sunday, Aug 16, 2015 at 09:14

Sunday, Aug 16, 2015 at 09:14
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Monday, Aug 17, 2015 at 08:39

Monday, Aug 17, 2015 at 08:39
I never let mine out of my sight while travelling. I had a copy if needed and handed it over to save arguments, but working for who I did, made it easy to hang on to it. Always got the copy back.

We do not have passports any more. After years travelling for work we both are convinced that Australia is where we want to spend the restof our years.
Besides Australian residents speak the same language, you can drink the water and you don't have to worry about sharks. And they have the best footy in the world anyway with the best meat pies and tomato sauce.

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Follow Up By: OBJ - Monday, Aug 17, 2015 at 16:27

Monday, Aug 17, 2015 at 16:27
Vietnam usually asks you to surrender your passport if you are booked into a hotel. They just keep it onsite and hand it back once you check out (and pay them is my guess). Similar thing in Fiji is some of the places out of Suva. While working in New Guinea they wanted it, but were happy to accept a photo copy of the passport when I told them I did not want to give it up. Hard enough staying alive there without not having any ID :)
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Follow Up By: OBJ - Monday, Aug 17, 2015 at 17:13

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Follow Up By: philip t jones - Monday, Aug 17, 2015 at 17:29

Monday, Aug 17, 2015 at 17:29
I thought what you put up OBJ was quite reasonable cosidering the attack on you, but thats what the gentleman in question seems to do on a regular basis.
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Follow Up By: Member - bungarra (WA) - Tuesday, Aug 18, 2015 at 08:27

Tuesday, Aug 18, 2015 at 08:27
Contrary to OBJ's comments on Vietnam requiring that you hand in our passports ....that was not our experience.

We have recently travelled there and stayed in several hotels from North to South and never were we asked to hand in our passports

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Reply By: Alan S (WA) - Saturday, Aug 15, 2015 at 18:50

Saturday, Aug 15, 2015 at 18:50
I went into guinea, West Africa a few years ago for work. It was a fairly normal thing for your passports to be held and then forwarded to you accomodation a few days later.
It was something to do with our visas not being real visas, but letters of entry.

Although I was concerned we had a separate escape, emergency plan in place.
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Reply By: Les - PK Ranger - Saturday, Aug 15, 2015 at 21:11

Saturday, Aug 15, 2015 at 21:11
Thanks for the heads up.
We usually travel independently, but will always check this now it has been brought to my attention.
If Indo GOVCO or P&O require this, then no need to travel there / with them.
Not a cruise person myself, and really never plan on visiting Indo any time anyway.
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Reply By: Member - Boobook - Sunday, Aug 16, 2015 at 07:51

Sunday, Aug 16, 2015 at 07:51
I think you will find that is a P&O requirement, not an Indonesian Gov requirement. I have been there quite a few times and never heard of it. I always keep my passport in my posession.
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Reply By: Member Boroma 604 - Sunday, Aug 16, 2015 at 08:59

Sunday, Aug 16, 2015 at 08:59
Think you will find it is so they can do a Bulk Clearance for some of the formalities. I have been to South Africa a couple of times and the Tour leader Would collect all our Passports when one crossing some Borders and have them all processed without us. Same thing happened when I did a 3 week Captain's Choice Tour of South America & Cuba a few years ago, also Cruise to Antarctica in 2002.
That's my experience anyway, advice from Immigration Dept. would be as expected.
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Reply By: TomH - Sunday, Aug 16, 2015 at 10:00

Sunday, Aug 16, 2015 at 10:00
We went to USA and Canada twice and included the usual 7 day cruise to the Glaciers. Did not have to hand in our passport and in fact had to take it with us on the White Pass railway as you go from USA to Canada and back inside of 3 hours and had to produce it on demand. Never handed it in anywhere else. Had to produce it for rental cars along with Aus drivers licence.
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Reply By: TomH - Sunday, Aug 16, 2015 at 10:01

Sunday, Aug 16, 2015 at 10:01
We went to USA and Canada twice and included the usual 7 day cruise to the Glaciers. Did not have to hand in our passport and in fact had to take it with us on the White Pass railway as you go from USA to Canada and back inside of 3 hours and had to produce it on demand. Never handed it in anywhere else. Had to produce it for rental cars along with Aus drivers licence.

We do several copies and leave one with friends and have one each when travelling
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Reply By: cookie1 - Sunday, Aug 16, 2015 at 10:46

Sunday, Aug 16, 2015 at 10:46
Whenever I go overseas I always take my Australian Passport AND my British Passport

cheers
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Follow Up By: Shaver - Sunday, Aug 16, 2015 at 13:55

Sunday, Aug 16, 2015 at 13:55
WHY ! Isn't a Australian Passport good enough ? Last time I visited HK their Customs were giving the Pom's a hard time, can't understand why.
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Follow Up By: TomH - Sunday, Aug 16, 2015 at 14:14

Sunday, Aug 16, 2015 at 14:14
Well depending one which one you use dont ask the embassy of the other country to help if you get into trouble.
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Follow Up By: cookie1 - Sunday, Aug 16, 2015 at 14:47

Sunday, Aug 16, 2015 at 14:47
Wow, fantastic contributions guys

I do travel on my Australian Passport, if for some reason my Australian Passport is lost or damaged then at least I have the British Passport for identification and use.

I am very confident that the UK wouldn't turn its back on a British subject who is a holder of a Passport who also resides in a Commonwealth country - Australia

cheers

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Follow Up By: Crusier 91 - Sunday, Aug 16, 2015 at 15:29

Sunday, Aug 16, 2015 at 15:29
Australia should abolish dual citizenship once and for all.
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Follow Up By: Member - Boobook - Monday, Aug 17, 2015 at 06:26

Monday, Aug 17, 2015 at 06:26
Here here Cruiser 91.

And they should make any Australian resident who has been here more than 5 years who doesn't become exclusively an Australian Citizen, pay a 10% tax surcharge and drop welfare.
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Follow Up By: Shaver - Monday, Aug 17, 2015 at 13:53

Monday, Aug 17, 2015 at 13:53
Nothing like having a each way bet. If Australia doesn't want you you can go back home. Now that is smart thinking eh ! Us blo-dy Aussies are stupid. Seeing that most of our ancestors were Convicts aren't we entitled to one also. Must write to the Brit Embassy pronto !
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Follow Up By: TomH - Monday, Aug 17, 2015 at 14:33

Monday, Aug 17, 2015 at 14:33
In answer to Boobook.

Perhaps you could go in to bat for the approx 28,000 Kiwis who live here and pay taxes and CANT GET FULL WELFARE.

We came in 2002 and can never become an Aussie Citizen under present rules. Except by qualifying under a very restrictive skills criteria and paying in excess of $3000 for the ??????privilege.

My son who is 30 if he has an accident he cant get disability payments or can never get the dole..

In complete contrast an Aussie can go to NZ and in 2 years can be a citizen with FULL ACCESS to WELFARE.

Dont talk to me about a level playing field.

Do your research before posting such erroneous statements.

And its Hear Hear From "listen up" to the Town Crier etc
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Follow Up By: cookie1 - Monday, Aug 17, 2015 at 14:57

Monday, Aug 17, 2015 at 14:57
This is really disappointing and bordering on being racist

I merely pointed out a possible solution for the OP if it should be open / available to them not open a platform for racist or demeaning commentary

My apologies if I offended any of you purebred, non descendants from any other country, Australians

I have only lived here for 48 years and consider this my home after moving from the UK in 1967 and being 3 years old at the time.

Again, my apologies

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Follow Up By: TomH - Monday, Aug 17, 2015 at 15:23

Monday, Aug 17, 2015 at 15:23
My comment was incorrect

I meant that if you live in one country but have a passport held of another country, dont ask your country of residence for help if in trouble overseas.

Eg Kiwis living in OZ and still only have NZ passports are not entitled to help from AUS embassies.
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Follow Up By: Shaver - Tuesday, Aug 18, 2015 at 09:28

Tuesday, Aug 18, 2015 at 09:28
Sorry Cookie if any of these comments offended you ! It is apparently obvious that after 48 years you haven't learnt the Aussie way of humour. In other words " having a dig" !
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Follow Up By: Nargun51 - Tuesday, Aug 18, 2015 at 10:29

Tuesday, Aug 18, 2015 at 10:29
Of course, as a dual citizenship holder, you should perhaps be reading really, really carefully the fine print on any proposed legislation changes currently being vaunted.
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Follow Up By: cookie1 - Tuesday, Aug 18, 2015 at 11:10

Tuesday, Aug 18, 2015 at 11:10
Nargun51, are you referring to the proposed changes to Dual Citizenship held by Terrorists?

I can assure you that I am not about to diminish to stability that has been my home for 48 years and what I have paid considerable taxes to help build the nation.

If I had to choose between the UK & Australia, Australia is my home & the home and birthplace of my wife & children so naturally I would defend Australia to my last breath

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Follow Up By: Nargun51 - Tuesday, Aug 18, 2015 at 11:55

Tuesday, Aug 18, 2015 at 11:55
Don't take the comment personally.

However, as a dual citizenship holder, you surely have thought through the ramifications of the proposed legislation, even if you you are living a blameless life here and have no inclination to usurp Australian law

If you were to go before a Court in Australia, evidence, the rule of law, and the Rules of Natural Justice would no doubt protect you.

A Ministerial decision subject to the pressures of political expediency, media pressure and news cycles?

My eldest daughter has to leave the UK in 8 days as her work visa expires, however as her mother was born in an EU country, she could have applied for citizenship of that country and if granted, remained working in the UK under EU laws.

When this was mentioned a year or so ago in a Skype conversation, my mother in law mentioned that when she was finally granted her Australian Citizenship, she understood for the first time what safety felt like (she had lived under 3 political systems, had been arbitarily arrested under 2 and escaped death through good luck and a cool mind)
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Follow Up By: cookie1 - Tuesday, Aug 18, 2015 at 12:08

Tuesday, Aug 18, 2015 at 12:08
I think that we are very lucky to live in this country I have travelled to many other countries but always feel relaxed when I step back through Customs.

I never feel threatened by Australian Law as I believe that provided that you are a decent law abiding citizen you will never really have too many dramas.

Funny you should mention your daughter as my kids are entitled to a UK Passport given they are born from a British Subject, if they were travelling to countries that wish to retain your passport as per the OP, then I would like them to carry another just in case and I would like to think that they would receive help from either country

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Follow Up By: Nargun51 - Tuesday, Aug 18, 2015 at 12:58

Tuesday, Aug 18, 2015 at 12:58
Contrary to a lot of people here; I have a lot of faith in Australian Law, its administration, its practitioners (not all), the judiciary, the checks and balances that exist and the Separation of Powers (all good old Common Law precedents)

That it costs so much is another story.

Politicians do not imbue me with the same sense of faith.

A politician standing in a dais with 10 Australian flags saying that Courts should be restricted in their powers and that even those powers should be devolved to a politician, who is not bound by common law precedents?

More faith in politicians than I have.

I know where your coming from about the pragmatic safety of two passports.

However, a passport also has obligations. Carry the passport and you also have the obligations.

What happens when the interests of the country whose passport you carry is not in Australia's best interests?
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Follow Up By: cookie1 - Tuesday, Aug 18, 2015 at 13:06

Tuesday, Aug 18, 2015 at 13:06
Interesting you should say that, I have heard a story of someone from Israel who is an Australian Citizen, holds dual citizenship, but if he were to go back to Israel he would be conscripted into the Army - as I say only heard that but it would be a very tricky situation for sure

Being that Australia is part of the same Commonwealth then I would think that both countries would on the whole share common interests.

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Follow Up By: Nargun51 - Tuesday, Aug 18, 2015 at 13:35

Tuesday, Aug 18, 2015 at 13:35
Part of the Commonwealth sharing common interests?

Suggest you do some research of the cables between Curtin and Churchill after the Fall of Singapore and the use of Australian troops.
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Follow Up By: Member - Boobook - Tuesday, Aug 18, 2015 at 16:44

Tuesday, Aug 18, 2015 at 16:44
Cookie, please don't take my comments personally. I am referring to what I think should be the case and direct my frustration at government. While the law stands as it is people like yourself should go for it. My wife even has dual citizenship.

She would have to make a choice if the laws were ever changed too.

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Follow Up By: CSeaJay - Wednesday, Aug 19, 2015 at 15:26

Wednesday, Aug 19, 2015 at 15:26
boobook it is hard not to take your comments personally as you have a reputation of personal comments
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Follow Up By: Member - Boobook - Wednesday, Aug 19, 2015 at 15:41

Wednesday, Aug 19, 2015 at 15:41
Oh ok, thanks for letting me know your personal opinion, err, or was that wide spread reputation?

Either way thanks. I value that you represented cookie1 in his reply to my comment - to HIM.




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Reply By: wizzer73 - Wednesday, Aug 19, 2015 at 09:59

Wednesday, Aug 19, 2015 at 09:59
Went on a cruise with Royal Carriben. They take your passport at the beginning of cruise and hand it back at end of cruise. Just needed to swipe your room key when leaving or entering ship at different ports. Very easy and quick. Always took photocopies of our passports with us when off ship.

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