Can I use a roof rack with my antenna?
Submitted: Monday, Aug 24, 2015 at 06:07
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Chris B39
I've got a troopy with a
UHF radio and with a ground plane dependent antenna fitted to a hole in the roof just behind the driver. Is there any compatibility with this and fitting a roof rack? I don't think I need the ultimate performance, but I don't want to screw it up either. As far as leaving the antenna alone the options seem to be either no roof rack, because it will screw up the ground plane, or else fit a short rack, either 3/4 or 1/2 length. I don't know if that would help or not. Obviously if it was a full length rack it would poke up between the mesh. Oh, around town I use a stubby 12cm antenna, but I have a longer 60cm or whatever one if I need it.
Reply By: vk1dx - Monday, Aug 24, 2015 at 08:15
Monday, Aug 24, 2015 at 08:15
We have a full length ARB tourer roof rack on our 100 series on which we mount a roof top tent. There is heaps of room in front of the rack for a roof mounted antenna.
Being metallic, the rack will affect the radiation pattern of the antenna. However, in saying that, it will still perform better than being placed down on the bull bar or mudguard, and thus lower than the roof line.
How far is the antenna from the top of the windscreen? Are you just assuming that a roof rack foul the antenna? Measure it and see if you can get a rack without fouling the antenna.
I just haven't bothered because the UHF CB is only for short comms anyway and ours works okay from the mount on the right hand mudguard.
Phil
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Follow Up By: Chris B39 - Monday, Aug 24, 2015 at 12:52
Monday, Aug 24, 2015 at 12:52
If you've got plenty of room in front of your rack, maybe it's not full length. On the Troopy the full length rack is 2200, which is pretty massive. If you know the troopy, the roof is higher than normal and slopes from the windscreen to just behind the driver, at which point it then becomes flat. The full length extends even over the slopy part, so it's quite radically long. My antenna right now is on part of the roof where it just starts becoming flat.
The 3/4 length racks are about 1800 which might possibly fit right behind the antenna. My measurements say it would be close. The 1/2 length are 1100 which seems too short. Iron man make a 1400 model which is an option.
The question becomes, ok if it's going to affect the radiating pattern to the rear, how badly, and should I go for the 3/4 length, or hold back for 1400 length.
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Monday, Aug 24, 2015 at 14:23
Monday, Aug 24, 2015 at 14:23
I just measured ours, it's 1800mm long. The distance from the rack to the top of the windscreen is 450mm. Yes in my case it would be better in front of the rack but then that would mean another hole in the car for small gain. And even better still with a ground independant antenna which would lift the base of the active antenna element close to the height of the top of the roof rack.
Then you put a metal gizmo (read any metal based load) on the roof rack and stuff it up.
Personally, I wouldn't bother. On the angled bracket using existing bolts on the RH mudguard has been quite effective for many years.
Phil
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Reply By: Bob Y. - Qld - Monday, Aug 24, 2015 at 10:31
Monday, Aug 24, 2015 at 10:31
Maybe just go for a 3/4 length roof rack Chris. As Phil said, it may affect the radiation pattern, say less to the rear, but should still be all good to front and slides.
It's possible, if you're handy with a welder, to make a bracket that goes under the upper mounting bolts on the factory
snorkel. We used to do that and it worked
well, though running the co-ax wasn't as neat as we'd like. Have a photo somewhere that I could scan to show you.
Bob
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Follow Up By: Chris B39 - Monday, Aug 24, 2015 at 13:01
Monday, Aug 24, 2015 at 13:01
Seems to me mounting on the
snorkel means switching from a ground plane dependant to an independant antenna. Which is fine if that's the best option. But I'm concerned how much that would add to the height of the already tall troopy compared to the little 12cm ground plane dependant stubby I use around town, and also the relative performance. I've heard of fold down ones etc, I guess that's also an option. The question is if I get the 3/4 rack, and it affects the pattern to the rear, just how badly.
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Follow Up By: Bob Y. - Qld - Tuesday, Aug 25, 2015 at 21:54
Tuesday, Aug 25, 2015 at 21:54
We didn't mount the aerials ON the
snorkel, but on a metal bracket that used the upper
snorkel mount's captive nuts. So in fact this bracket became part of the roof, or ground plane, of the vehicle.
You can buy aerial bases pretty cheap, and set up a 2nd 150mm stubby off the
snorkel bracket, if you found the roof rack fouled the centre roof mount.
As for signal to the rear, might depend on length of aerial, and the amount of gear you've stacked on the rack.
Bob
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Follow Up By: Chris B39 - Wednesday, Aug 26, 2015 at 12:22
Wednesday, Aug 26, 2015 at 12:22
Yes but to work a ground plane needs to extend in all directions. If you mount it near the
snorkel it will only extend towards the back / left of the car, so you'll have directional issues
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Follow Up By: Bob Y. - Qld - Wednesday, Aug 26, 2015 at 13:14
Wednesday, Aug 26, 2015 at 13:14
You may be right, Chris.
However the aerials we used were a Polar extended gain unit, ground independent, similar to the one below, 2nd from the left. Excellent performance from a 900mm aerial.

Polar UHF Antenna
Bob
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