Best synthetic winch rope

Submitted: Monday, Aug 31, 2015 at 09:18
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Yep - searched but posts are old so I will ask anew.

I would like to minimise the weight on the front of the car, especially out on the bullbar. So I am looking at getting a synthetic rope.

We have only used the winch for gardening (pulling trees and shrubs out) and one single silly self recovery. My error. Any other times it's been the max tracks etc.

I gather about 30 meters and 10 mm thick.

So what do you learned people recommend. Which brand and type?

Phil

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Reply By: Shaker - Monday, Aug 31, 2015 at 09:37

Monday, Aug 31, 2015 at 09:37
I was going to do the same thing, but after comparing weights & realising that I was going to only save 7.8kgs, I decided the cost outweighed any slight benefit.
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Monday, Aug 31, 2015 at 09:52

Monday, Aug 31, 2015 at 09:52
It's the difference at the axle that I am looking at mate. 9 to 10 Kg out front could effectively be up to 35 Kg at the axle. The front is just a tad low. Was thinking of lifting but would prefer to lessen the load. Pity I couldn't have fitted a lighter winch compatable bullbar. Ah well.

But I am all ears and thanks for the post.

Phil

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Reply By: Mudripper - Monday, Aug 31, 2015 at 12:39

Monday, Aug 31, 2015 at 12:39
Hi Phil

ARB sell Dynamica rope packs (made in Holland). A quick look at their current price list (make sure you're in the seated position) shows:

8mm x 30m $453.60
8mm x 45m $662.55
10mm x 30m $561.75
10mm x 45m $826.35


On eBay I found this one Dyneema rope Maybe others can comment on the 'genuiness' (new word for you lol) or quality of this one.

Apparently synthetic ropes take up less space than steel cable on the winch drum, therefore allowing a longer rope length. I have read of someone replacing a 30m steel cable with a 45m synthetic rope and it took up about the same room on the drum.

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Tim
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Monday, Aug 31, 2015 at 13:08

Monday, Aug 31, 2015 at 13:08
Hi Tim

I saw those prices as well. What I am after is the best for me. I don't want length. A 10 mm diameter rope of around 30M would be heaps.

But what type. Maybe the colour is important. I know nothing about them.

Thanks

Phil
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Reply By: Rangiephil - Monday, Aug 31, 2015 at 13:42

Monday, Aug 31, 2015 at 13:42
AFAIK from reading about all this , is that Dyneema is a type of thread/material that is used in non metallic ropes.

There are lots of Chinese Dyneema ropes for sale on Ebay.

The ARB rope is the original Dutch rope from Dynamica the maker who first used the material and who supplies ropes for ships etc.

I have seen a review of the Chinese rope AFAIR in LRO international where the tester says that the Chinese ropes are just as strong as the Dynamica rope but probably would not last as long.
IMHO, I would go for the Chinese rope if the winch is used only rarely and you protect it from UV by covering the winch , although the same applies to expensive rope.LOL
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Follow Up By: AlbyNSW - Monday, Aug 31, 2015 at 15:47

Monday, Aug 31, 2015 at 15:47
Agree
Longevity is not the biggest issue as you are likely to damage the rope at some point on rocks etc

Check out materials handling and boating chandlery stores
They would be cheaper and of known quality as well
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Monday, Aug 31, 2015 at 16:45

Monday, Aug 31, 2015 at 16:45
Hi Alby

Like I said to Swaggie, travelling solo and liking the most remote areas, is it worth taking a chance on cheaper rope. Dunno!!!

Phil
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Monday, Aug 31, 2015 at 16:46

Monday, Aug 31, 2015 at 16:46
I was directing that response mainly to you Philip.
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Reply By: Swaggie - Monday, Aug 31, 2015 at 15:44

Monday, Aug 31, 2015 at 15:44
Hi mate

What size is your winch..

Don't forget to allow for the heat sleeve at the winch end and I'd be running some the hook end just for protection.

I have 8mm x30m and it just get on and mines 9500lb.. I don't know how there getting 10mm on @ 30 metres..

I ordered mine from Road Runner offroad... Don't forget you need to know if the Hawse is offset or not.. Masterfully below may help..

These guys are good too:

http://www.masterpull.com/synthetic-winch-lines/


Cheers
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Monday, Aug 31, 2015 at 16:43

Monday, Aug 31, 2015 at 16:43
Hi Swaggie Looks like I have some reading to do. I don't mind getting the dearer rope. You never know, it may be just the one recovery that you get the cheaper one out and snap, it breaks. So is it worth it? Don't forget most of our travelling is now done solo. Like our recent Madigan. Wouldn't want to wait for a car to come along to help. Didn't see one for five days.

The winch is a Warn 9000 lb. Maybe 30 meters was a bit much. Maybe 20 meters is all we need.

Thanks for the input mate.

Phil
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Reply By: Robin Miller - Monday, Aug 31, 2015 at 17:03

Monday, Aug 31, 2015 at 17:03
The best synthetic rope Phil is one that is shorter and fatter.

The fatter the less pull through - not much of an issue until you end up in hospital with damaged finger this year (not me).

Shorter so than it doesn't fill up spool and is easier to put on, and maximizes pull.

Get 30m X 12mm and cut off 12 meter, and with 12m cutoff make an extension strap or 2.

Make sure you get 2m of winch rope nylon cover to thread rope thru so that the cover can be positioned over any sharp point.

Rest winch a lot , heat on bottom layer is bad news
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Monday, Aug 31, 2015 at 17:24

Monday, Aug 31, 2015 at 17:24
Already got a brand new, unused, extension strap, that's still in the wrapping that we purchased it in, back in 2010.

It's like the spare tyre mate. Haven't had a flat since 1969 at Oran park and the girlfriend, now wife, made sure she changed the tyre and repaired the hole!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks Robin. First read I thought that you were pulling my led. It's been a long day sorting the garage into some racking. Now I can't find a bloody thing.

I will get a sleeve though.

Phil

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Follow Up By: Swaggie - Monday, Aug 31, 2015 at 18:30

Monday, Aug 31, 2015 at 18:30
Hi Robin


How's things going mate ????????.

Once my winch extension rope has finished its life that's what I'll replace it with thicker Dyneema...

Phil: Last year was the first in many I only went into The High Country once, it was also the same time I changed to Dyneema. So i havn't used it yet, but saying that if it breaks I won't hesitate to go back to wire because it's served me well without issues. ...


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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Monday, Aug 31, 2015 at 19:02

Monday, Aug 31, 2015 at 19:02
No worries. But lets hope you are not alone when it breaks. That's just what I consider.

Catchya

Phil
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Follow Up By: Swaggie - Monday, Aug 31, 2015 at 19:28

Monday, Aug 31, 2015 at 19:28
The odds I will be Phil just like yourself. Lol There's plenty of information about splicing a break....

I'm never in a hurry mate out in the bush, as long as my vehicle is tied off to a tree I am happy, Then I can have a soft drink, even make a cuppa and something to eat until I nut it out.It can stay there for hours if it has too...


All good..


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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Wednesday, Sep 02, 2015 at 07:55

Wednesday, Sep 02, 2015 at 07:55
Still going strong , if a bit slower Swaggie , sounds like your ok to !
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Reply By: Member - Scrubby (VIC) - Monday, Aug 31, 2015 at 21:32

Monday, Aug 31, 2015 at 21:32
G`day Phil,

Custom Splice (Google it) is the mob I bought from, if I remember correctly it`s "Blue Steel Co" of USA. There is plenty of choices on their website.

I disagree about using a short length, 10mm dia X the longest length that will fit the drum is what I use and recommend, I have bought an extra 12mm X 40 mtrs length to use as an extension for when required.
Prior to changing to Dyneama rope there were two occasions when I have been in serious trouble and have wished for a longer winch rope, one time I burnt the winch solenoids out because I had to use a single line pull.

Just my opinion,

Scrubby


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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Tuesday, Sep 01, 2015 at 08:52

Tuesday, Sep 01, 2015 at 08:52
Maybe in hindsight it would have been a good day to just "camp up" and do a little weight lifting on that day Scrubby.

I will take what you said on notice mate about the extra length as a winch extension. I already have one but being a strap I could do with one that takes up less space. Without the large flat strap type, all our recovery gear would fit nicely in a void between the drawers and the side of the car. Nice and neat and accessible. But now it is actually in several places. Not an ideal situation.

Anyway thanks for the input mate.

We camped up on one trip to the desert when it rained. Just simply relaxed. Don't need the adrenalin of getting bogged and driving through mud. Done enough of that to do us.

Catchya

Phil
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Follow Up By: Member - Scrubby (VIC) - Tuesday, Sep 01, 2015 at 17:01

Tuesday, Sep 01, 2015 at 17:01
Phil the straps are ok for use as extension some times but rope can be used through a sheave block if necessary/possible.

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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Tuesday, Sep 01, 2015 at 18:25

Tuesday, Sep 01, 2015 at 18:25
Aware of that mate

Thanks

Phil
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Reply By: fisho64 - Tuesday, Sep 01, 2015 at 21:26

Tuesday, Sep 01, 2015 at 21:26
While I dont have a winch on my ute, I have bought the Ebay Dyneema for my boat trailer, 3 years ago.
It has worked flawlessly pulling 3000kg of boat up about 20 deg of trailer.
Weight isnt (to me at least) the biggest advantage, its the fact you can grab it with your hands without getting shredded.
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