Cyclists and double white lines.

Don't know about Tassie, but it is legal to cross double white lines in Australia to pass a cyclist.

Sounds like you've held up your fair share but don't like it when the shoe is on the other foot mate. Get over it.
Regardless of whatever you 'think' cyclists have every right to ride on the road. Should they magically scatter like ducks for you?
Most situations on the road these days are when people 'think' about what road rules should be rather than having a firm handle on them and 'knowing' what to do.

What?...with bus lanes and cycle lanes there's not a lot of room left and where there aren't cycle lanes we have to slow down to 15 kph behind the bike whilst he gets his daily workout and the rest of us have to crawl behind in 2nd gear. Let's just do away with cars because they're all a blody nuisance and let the buses and bikes pay the road taxes....and that's without mentioning weaving and pushy motor cyclists but at least they do pay some road tax.

Just glad I work from home 90%.

Starting again. It would be nice if the site had a "smart save" when you get dumped out.

Qld, and Tas - it's legal
SA - legal as of 25 Oct
ACT - legal as of 1 Nov
WA - thinking about it
Vic - were planning to introduce the Qld rule earlier this year but it apparently got lost along the way to the footy.
NSW - illegal until Duncan Gay finishes his lunch
NT - drive at 200kph but don't cross that unbroken line brothers and sisters (maybe???)
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I always give cyclists and parked vehicles plenty of room and if that means putting a wheel over an unbroken line when safe to do so then so be it.

In this case I can see both sides. The cyclist may not want to risk a puncture or injury by moving off the tar (esp if she's locked into the pedals) so if you don't have the power to get past quickly and aren't prepared to get close to the centre then you cop the wait.

GerryG
If the women didn't have drugs, what were they peddling while pedalling their bikes?
Peddling and Pedalling do have different meanings.

Anyone have problems passing buses towing trailers? ;o))

Gerry I feel your pain. I cycle myself but do it off roads for my own safety. I got a dashcamera for my car just to record my daily trip into the city because the cyclists just ignore rules and do crazy things knowing they always get away with it. Cyclists practice their sport on roads but pay no insurance or rego for that. What prevent skate boarders and roller bladers from now demanding the same. Some car drivers are also idiots but on weekends the behaviour of the latte lycra mobs on the roads are plain dangerous for their own health and car drivers too. Time to bring back regos for bicycles too and do a bit of law enforcement too. If you can afford to play on a public road on a $ 7000 push bike you can pay insurance too. Its a matter of time before a car driver makes a hudgement error avoiding a cyclist and cause a head on collision . I see cyclists daily take up a car lane and ignoring a dedicated cycle lane next to it. .

"Too many cyclists expect full rights to the roads"

I think this comment says it all.

Cyclist HAVE full legal rights to the roads as do pedestrians,horse riders, horse drawn vehicles, emergency vehicles, tractors, wide loads and everything else you share the public roads with.

As long as they obey the laws of the road, they are legally permitted to go about their business.

Live with it and don't impose your expectations onto others just because it causes you some minor irritations to your expectations.

I live in the Dandenong Ranges; on weekends you add another 10 minutes to travel times because of Tour De France wannabes and tourists. Its one of the downsides of sharing public roads

"Too many cyclists expect full rights to the roads"

That's probably because they have rights and the foremost of those rights is that they get to get home safely. Original post seems to ignore the requirement for mutual respect towards fellow road users. To follow the logic in the first post, everyone would have to exit the road, left, so any following road user can overtake without delay and without waiting until safe carryout a standard overtaking maneuver. Can you imagine any big rig driver taking extreme efforts to avoid holding up any vehicle following? No! Cyclists will always come off second best in any encounter with car or truck and non-cyclists could make the situation easier and safer for all, if they took the time to get acquainted with the rules as they relate to cyclists using public roads.

Iza

As an avid racing cyclist and avid 4WDrive explorer and regular vehicle driver, I feel I have a balanced view. I spent around 11 hours cycling per week - that's time from 5am - 7am a few weekdays on local back streets from home back to home, and longer rides on weekends - often up in the hills. I've been cycling at this level for 7 years. David too. In fact I am part of a club and both of us are the club's group ride leaders. We educate our groups about group ride safety - none of us want to come of second best with a vehicle - it is our no. 1 priority - obviously.

Until you've ridden a bike on a road - and done it regularly to experience how it feels to be up against the traffic etc, you can't possibly take the law into your own hands and decide what's best. I think both cyclists and drivers alike know that in this country we have some problems to address that include infrastructure improvements to better cater for vehicles of differing speeds sharing the road, but also time is needed to develop better skills and tolerance for dealing with driving alongside cyclists. Cyclists don't go out of their way to piss off cars - that is playing with death there is no 2nd chance. But they do try to give drivers some feedback when they feel threatened. In your car you can't see the glass all over the bike lane that they have to avoid, you don't know that when you squeeze past the cyclist going through the roundabout that he is scared bleep less of slipping during the turn and there's always hazzards to avoid, road drains that you cannot let your wheel slip into or get a puncture, and so on. Cyclists like myself aren't given any training infrastructure and its legal for us to train on the road. Many roads have bike lanes that are poorly designed and suddenly disappear merging bikes into the traffic on the approach to a round about for example is one of the scariest things we deal with. Many drivers don't slow down when they approach the roundabout with a cyclist - they try to squeeze past. Almost daily we fear we will lose one of our riders. Every ride we have a 5min briefing reminding riders how to behave in these circumstances, how to ride safely. We have a good track record for safety as a result. But daily we see impatient drivers - many are in too much of a rush to slow down and be patient for 30 seconds. In particular drivers who overtike bikes by driving on the wrong side of a traffic island - they usually gun the engine then use evasive maneuevers to move back into the lane because invariably an oncoming car appears out of nowwhere. Not long ago we had a motorbike get frustrated and overtake a line of cyclists and then with morning sunrise blinding his vision he noticed a bike rider turning right but he was speeding and had no where to go because he was stuck out in the open and chaos was unfolding. He crashed his beautiful big hoon bike and one of the cyclists was an offduty police man who was most interested to chat with him.

The insurance issue is a moot point - roads are paid for out of taxes not rego and 90% of cyclists are motorists also. God forbid some of us choose cycling as a healthy lifestyle option. Who are you to judge?

I could go on. This topic is of course sensitive but the point remains it is a moot point. The law is the law and until the infrastructure and education is improved our aggressive driving culture cannot change.

I think if you check you'll find it legal to cross over unbroken lines to pass a cyclist (only) as long as it is safe to do so. I see no reason why a cyclist riding single file should pull off the road to allow anyone to pass though, cyclists are entitled to the road as well as drivers. If you have to wait a little while to pass - then wait a little while, what is it going to cost you?

I hear all the time about registration for bicycles; unfortunately that will solve nothing. Having cyclist registering their bicycles is not going to make drivers any more vigilant when coming across a cyclist on 'their' road!. On the other hand cyclist are required to abide by the road rules as well as drivers, in that regard perhaps registration might be a good idea, if only to identify those cyclist that flaunt the road rules. Putting the ownership of road rules on drivers only is a sure fire way of creating animosity.

I'm an avid cyclist I ride 3-4 times per week with my wife. What I hate is car, truck and bus drivers who insist on passing you when there is oncoming traffic, leaving only a matter of millimetres, those that insist on pulling out in front of you, those that open their doors without looking and so on. Plain ignorant.

What I hate more than that though are cyclists who ride two abreast. Legal or not, riding two abreast is dangerous and at the very least incredibly ignorant. Worst for doing this are the cycling clubs, anywhere there is a cycling club operating you'll find them riding two three, four abreast, then they complain of drivers honking their horns and abusing them Single file should be law!

If the government want to change the rules for the safety of cyclists then do so but do it fairly, attack the problems from both sides: drivers and cyclists. There is no reason why cyclist should ride two abreast, I never do - never! Single file only.

Whilst this is about cyclist’s today, it could easily be about 5 ton buses towing trailers on any other day – the issue is about an attitude that is slowly gaining a foothold in our society that goes along the lines that my time and needs are more important than yours so get out of my way!

Nargun sums it up beautifully in a response above, commenting…

“Live with it and don't impose your expectations onto others just because it causes you some minor irritations to your expectations”.

Baz – The Landy

Understandably, this post opened a can of worms, big time. And instantly dissolved into US and THEM.

Gerry described a situation on a "hilly and winding road" with a "very long section of road with double white line' where he considered it unsafe to pass by crossing the double line.

One cyclist courteously moved off the road to allow him to safely pass but the second cyclist stuck to her "rights" and remained cycling on the road whilst this 20 passenger bus dawdled along behind her for a "few kilometres".

All that was required was for this cyclist to behave sensibly and courteously for a few seconds to allow 20 people to continue their journey without needless delay. But NO! She 'had her rights' and expected the bus to execute a manoeuvre that had some risk and could have resulted in injury to herself if things went wrong.

It has nothing whatsoever to do with RIGHT or WRONG or Road Rules but simply common sense and courtesy. Or rather lack of it! Consideration should be a two-way behaviour.

I'm another one of those motorists who has a 4wd, caravan and also rides a bike to work for the past 10 years and cycles at weekends.
Deaths of cyclists is increasing; deaths of motorists is decreasing. 2 cyclists died in SA in the past 4 days.

In my opinion, pedestrians are made for footpaths, cyclists are made for bikeways and roads are for cars and trucks. Need to separate the lot. I almost exclusively cycle on bikeways in Adelaide - you won't catch me on crazy roads like South Road. Got to look after yourself. And in my opinion, 99% of drivers are considerate to cyclists and 95% of cyclists are considerate to drivers

The infrastructure needs to improve - more bikeways separated from the roads. Changing rules won't make cyclists any less vulnerable.

I have ridden bikes, motorcycles, driven passenger cars, big 4WD's and all sorts of trucks. My safety is the most important thing and one can achieve this by keeping out of other people road. I do not want to be involved in some else's accident. Simple physics tells you that if you tangle with something bigger than yourself you will come off second best. So regardless of the law as far as I am concerned might is right, and this attitude IMHO gives you the best chance of getting to your destination. There is no point in being in the right if you end up dead.
In this example Gerry and a number of other vehicles where being held up for quite some time by a cyclist who was aware that they where blocking the path of others. A classic case of being in the right but not showing consideration for others. All it takes is someone being a bit impatient, to try to pass, get caught out by an oncoming vehicle causing an accident in which the cyclist could well be involved.
If I am driving a three and a half ton Land Cruiser in hilly country I invariably end up with a conga line of passenger vehicles behind me. At the first opportunity I will pull over and let everyone pass, not because I have too, not because I am a good bloke, but because I recognise that there are idiots out there and I do not want to give anyone any chance of involving me in their accident. Unfortunately bicycles and motorbikes are at the bottom of the food chain so to speak because of their size, or lack of it. Ride and drive to survive I say, its no good being in the right but ending up in hospital or a morgue.

I don't see the relevance of it being a cyclist. If any vehicle takes up a lane doing 10 kph then there is going to be an issue. We have dozens of threads on here about caravans doing 80 kph blocking people for overly wrong periods of time. What if the original poster had simply said he was stuck behind a vehicle doing 10 kph that wouldn't move out of the way? If it was a heavy vehicle then it would have escorts and flashing lights which is rather funny because they are so big they are easy to see. Here, you have a tiny vehicle that is harder to see doing the same thing with no protection.
Anyone obviously blocking traffic due the the nature of their vehicle, should as a matter of common courtesy pull over where possible to allow others to pass. I do.

It is the self righteousness of SOME cyclists that antagonises people. Yes, they are entitled to use the road, but all too often you see some choosing to exercise their full entitlements to the frustration of other road users through lack of consideration. In this case it wouldn't have hurt the rider to pullover for 20 seconds to let traffic by.

What annoys me is here in Darwin, all too often there are cycle ways on both sides or at least on one side of most arterial roads and cyclists still use the road. If I had my way I would state that if there is a cycle way they should use that, otherwise they may use the road. It's the truckies and roadtrain drivers out on the highway I feel sorry for that have to contend with inconsiderate cyclists.

We use commonsense when confronted with road trains & either pull over or stop, maybe bike riders should also use a bit of commonsense.
As I said earlier, it is still illegal in Victoria to cross an unbroken line to pass a cyclist, in my area on most roads it would be impossible to pass a cyclist & leave 1.5m clearance.
Yes, I also ride a bike & do get out of the way as I realise that 'might is right', no point in lying in traction in hospital knowing that I was within my rights.

I don't have a problem driving behind a cyclist waiting for a clear patch to overtake, unless it's for kilometres and kilometers, but it's not is it? it's always just a few hundred metres (except for those idiot cycle club riders riding 2.3.4 abreast). Most drivers just hate being behind someone else and will do anything they can to be in front, next time your in the car take notice of drivers behind you, or more to the point watch what you do when someone's in front of you. Patience and restraint costs nothing, not even going to get where your going with any appreciable time delay. Cyclists have as much right to use the road as drivers do, in most cases pulling off the bitumen is going to get you stuck in a pot hole anyway. If I get to where I'm going two minutes later - so what?
Common opinion here seems to be cyclists should always give way to drivers and are always in the wrong - but that's not right, itt's not the law and it's just plain ignorant. We're all required to share the road not just cyclists.
But, I'm wasting my time here I think, drivers are the only ones entitled to use the road, the only ones who should have right of way and the only ones who are correct in their thinking, aren't they?

When I was young I rode a bike .... I rode far & I rode fast & I mixed it in rush hour city traffic.... and at a time where the attitude toward cyclists was .... um..... less generous. ..... I and some of my friends wore canoe helmets because bike helmets had not yet been invented. ... the competitive cyclists where wearing those useless leather skullcaps.

What fascinates me is the agressive nature and attitude of the cyclist lobby .

Face facts .... in Australia bicycles will never be a significant part of the transport system ... they wont carry people far enough, fast enough, in enough volume or in sufficient comfort to be significant.

SO the vast majority people who ride bicycles do it for their own amusement .... not from any sort of necessity.

Yet the cyclist lobby demand space on the roads .... we are spending millions putting bike lanes along the sides of roads that see very little bicycle traffic at all especially during the week. ... likewise we see millions spent on bikeways which are mostly used on weekends.

What realy upsets me ..... is cyclists who choose to engage in a plainly risky activity .... riding a bicycle on bussy roads often at times of poor visability .... and expect everybody else to modify their behaviour to accomodate cyclists.

When I rode a bike ...... at a time where there where not bike lanes, bike ways or even wide smooth hard sholders ..... when it was a matter or room or safety .... I got off the #$@@#& road ..... .. if that meant riding on the dirt shoulder I did it ....if that meant getting off and walking, I did it .... if that meant jumping the bike of a 4 inch drop from the sealed surface onto the dirt sholder I did it .....there was no choice in the matter.

Face facts .... most of our main roads are not suitable for cycles ....... the whole idea of riding bicycles on them is plainly dangerous.

There was a girl knocked off her bike not far from here a few weeks ago ...... she was very lucky to live.... if she'd have bounced differently she would have been under the wheels of a fully loaded semi ........ I know where she was hit ...... even at my youngest and most adventurous .... I would not have ridden a bicycle there ...... it is a main road, 4 lanes, with heavy truck traffic, cars parked densly both sides and minimum permissable lane widths ..... anybody who rides along there has a deathwish.

SO..... we got these bikes ..... so we modify long established road rules specifically to accomodate them

...... standard lane witdth is 3 meters ...... most trucks, busses and large caravans are 2.4 meters wide not including mirrors ... giving 300mm clearance each side ( not counting the mirrors) ..... a bicycle with straight handlebars is arround 600mm wide with elbows sticking out nearly 900mm wide....... so if a truck comes across a cyclist at over 60kmh they are expected to go half way onto the wrong side of the road to pass them ... if they are to achieve a 1.5 meter clearance.

Remember bicycles are slow and hard to see ....... at a closing speed of 70+kmh ...... a truck or buss is not going to have the time to slow down sufficiently to dawdle behind ..... and in a hell of a lot of cases has nowhere to go to get this magical 1.5 meters clearance.

We ban cyclists from freeways .... I believe we should ban cyclists from all roads with speedlimits over 80kmh, all limited access roads, all high trafic density roads and all roads that present a high risk.

Remember if you are riding a bike, you don't have to be there .... the rest of the vehicles are mostly there from necessity

as for these road cycling enthusiast ..... and their flimsy light weight bikes and fragile tyres ...... these bicyces are not suitable for public roads ...... if ya cant ride over a bit of well crunched up glass without risking a puncture ..... don't ride it on the road ...... i rode over broken glass many times in my day and never got a puncture from it ....... and that was before puncture resistant kevlar belted tyres.

As for these "road cyclists" who insist on riding on the road when there is a purpose built bikeway running paralell to and a couple of meters away ...... sorry buddy no sympathy at all.

Oh and don't get me started about roadworthyness of bicycles ... lights, reflectors ect.

Sorry but I call em as I see em

cheers

Wow. 2024 views and 78 replies! I wonder what the record is?
As expected, a few chose to put their own interpretation on what I actually said, but that's ok as most know where I'm coming from.
"Latte Lycras" I had to think about that for a minute or two. I like that!
I'd like to comment on dear Michelle M's comments but I wouldn't know where to start, but thanks Allan for trying on my behalf.
Anthony's comments re bikes in W.A. being considered "as vehicles" is bit of a worry! All vehicles, by law, have to be registered, insured, road worthy, fitted with a compliance plate and operated by a licensed driver. Most importantly, they have to have identification in the form of a number plate, making the vehicle/driver traceable! (I don't think cyclists need to worry about any of this)
But that wasn't my issue. It's about cyclists and long stretches of double white lines! That's all!
Also, just to settle the nerves of the paranoid about having to pass "5 tonne buses towing trailers", I pull over constantly in hilly country, to let vehicles pass. In fact, I pulled over within five minutes of my little encounter, to let the masses past.
So beware all drivers in Qld and apparently, shortly in S.A. - When you decide "it's safe" to pass a leisurely latte lycra (Oh go on, let me say it) and cross over solid, double white lines, who is going to be at fault when an oncoming vehicle appears and all of a sudden, what was "safe" suddenly isn't! (Remember, double white lines aren't put in place to use up excess paint. They're there to indicate that the road ahead isn't a good place to pass!) Best of luck!!
Regards, GerryG.

Its remarkable isn't it, whatever someone driving is deemed by them to be the "standard" and bugger anyone else, they are all in the wrong!

Drive a car and its the grey nomads towing their vans too slow, tow a van and its the cyclists hogging the road. Drive a truck and its those pesky grey nomads again, in the way of the "professional" driver trying to earn a living. And when it comes to the motorcyclist, every other road user is simply way too slow.

Boils down to simply zero consideration by any "driver" of anyone else on the road.

Apparently licensing a bicycle will suddenly make cyclists behave, seems to have worked for car drivers as it has stopped them talking on phones, indicating at roundabouts and they no longer speed anywhere, hmm... And as motorists pay licensing fees, they apparently own the roads!! It always seems to gets back to "us against them".

But I have a bigger problem, owning 3 cars, 5 motorbikes, 3 trailers and 10 bicycles, along with having my HR truck license (with F endorsement), I end up fighting endlessly with myself as I argue with all those voices in my head about who has right of way and how wrong all the others are!!!!

Cheers

Captain

This should make the non bike riders really happy ;o)) https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/29897579/bike-boulevards-on-the-way/

Just another perspective.

OPINION: White-knuckle ride when farmer meets cyclist
OPINION: Renaye Stokes
October 23, 2015, 5:58 pm

This is an open letter to cyclists riding on heavy haulage routes during peak periods.

I am an open-minded wife of a farmer who is currently carting canola to Geraldton.

I love physical activity, slow down to pass cyclists safely and value humanity.

Truck drivers and farmers are very connected to land and life. They have families and they feel profound responsibility.

They quite simply do not want to kill someone.

We all have a right to use the roads. We are all happy to share. We all have a responsibility to ourselves and our fellow human beings.

I would like to invite cyclists to come ride with us.

The passenger seat in our road train is empty and you are welcome to sit in it and experience being part of 79-tonnes moving down a tired road without sealed verges at 90km/h.

Passing another truck with one metre between you is something to behold. Heaven forbid doing so over a bridge.

Seeing a cyclist evokes the kind of stress that few would admit to but I can tell you that it is very real.

I would like to encourage other farmers and truck drivers to make the same offer.
This is not an opportunity to berate each other.

This is an opportunity to practise radical honesty.

This is jumping in the passenger seat to connect with another human being who is having a different experience to you while using the same piece of infrastructure.

Another human being who has just as much right to be there as you.

Another human being who is genuinely concerned for your welfare.

Another human being who has a family.

Another human being who doesn’t want to end up broken after taking someone’s life while trying to make a living.

We all have rights. We also have responsibilities to each other.

A suggestion has been made that reducing the speed limit by 30km/h would make our roads safer.

Assuming this suggestion is limited only to heavy haulage vehicles, I would argue that it may make them more dangerous.

The roads in question are well worn and do not have large sealed verges.

Slower moving heavy vehicles would encourage smaller vehicles to overtake in less than desirable locations on a road that is precarious at best.

According to a 2012 article on eDrum, the Northern Territory Police, Fire and Emergency Services online magazine: “The braking distance of a loaded road train is about 70 metres if the vehicle is travelling at 60 kilometres per hour. That distance increases to 170 metres when the speed is 90 Kph.”

Yes — that is a significant difference but I’m not sure if 70 meters is really enough time to stop on these roads and I would question the accuracy of these figures.

I have attended a defensive driving school and stood on the side of a road while an ex-policeman/paramedic drove a car at 110km/h and braked to a stop.

None of us guessed the distance it would take accurately.

We are literally talking about the difference between dead and deader.

Agriculture and farmers are the reason why Chapman Valley Road and Morrell Road exist. The licence fees paid by small vehicle users or land rates of those residing on rural residential blocks in Chapman Valley could not possibly cover the cost of maintaining such infrastructure.

It costs $12,314.10 to licence our road train (prime mover with two trailers), which carts grain to Geraldton.

Last financial year, our farming enterprise outlaid $21,401.37 to the Department of Transport for annual licences.

The typical family with two 4WD vehicles and a trailer pays $1636.35 annually to license these vehicles.
Bicycles incur no licence fees.

This is not an open letter written to antagonise or point the finger at anyone.

I am appealing to all road users to walk a mile in each other’s shoes and seriously consider whether riding bicycles on heavy haulage routes during the harvest period is an absolutely necessary activity.

It is only 10 weeks of the year.

Please think about your comments - let’s find a balance together through mutual respect.

Come ride with us — I’m about to jump in right now!

Original article

Very good, then here's an invition for you: grab your bike and go for a ride and see how you like being passed by a semi doing 100 kph within a couple of inches of your handlebars. And you would like bike riders to stay off 'your' roads when you are busy, are you for real. Cyclists don't pay registration because they aren't required to, the moment they are then they will. The thing is, how is this going to make us all safer, I'm sure you will still want cyclists to stay off 'your' roads anyway. How about I suggest when cycling clubs are active on 'your' roads you refrain from using them. Makes sense to me. All that is required is for government to draft legislation looking at the problem from 'all' sides after consultation with ' all' road users and then 'all' parties abide by the rules regardless of how busy you are on 'your' roads.

So, in brief:

Cycling is a dangerous pastime and shouldn’t be done on public roads.
All cyclists flaunt the road rules,
All cyclist believe they own the roads,
Cyclists are aggressive
Cyclists clog up the roads and in so doing cause delays in repairing phone and internet
connections and cause longer power outages
Legislation is being introduced to suit the extreme minority – cyclists
Cyclists introduce road hazards by cycling on roads that are only suitable for cars.
Roads are designed specifically for cars, nothing else.
Cyclists slow down harvest periods and make harvest routes unsafe.
Cyclists interfere with people trying to make a living
Registration for cycles will make cycling safer.
Cyclists impede everyone’s progress.
All motorists are open minded, but unfortunately cyclists are not when it comes to sharing the road.
All cyclists wear lycra.
Cyclists only cycle for recreation and amusement.
Cycling is a risky activity
Cyclists expect everyone to modify their behaviour to suit cyclists.
Main roads are not suitable for cycles.
Cycles are not suitable for purpose
Motorists are there because they have to be, cyclists are there to annoy motorists.
Cycling enthusiasts bikes are flimsy, fragile and not suited for our roads.
All cyclists take risks.
Motorcycles are safer than bicycles.
Cyclists want everyone else to manage their risks.
Motorists are forced to accommodate cyclist’s foolishness.
Vehicles with two wheels fall over easily.
Cyclists want motorists to mitigate their risks.
Bicycles are not an efficient mode of transport.
We pay more for our goods and services because of recreational cyclists.
Cyclists like being berated by angry motorists.
Cyclists get a thrill out of risking their lives on the roads
Cyclists are a clear and present danger to themselves and everybody else on the road.
Cyclists drive cheap cars.
Only cyclists perform silly and dangerous acts on the road.

Full book now, thanks…

This is a screen save from the dash cam in the OKA taken in the Adelaide hills recently.
The closing speed of the 2 vehicles was about 90 to100kph. That is about 25-28m per second.
Despite the view that the camera gives, I was on the correct side of the double line.
I have no idea how I did not hit the car. He was still moving further out when the pic was taken.

Cheers,
Peter
OKA196 motorhome

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Interest in this rabid cycling thread seems to be falling away.

Perhaps this current news item may garner further comment?