oil filters

Submitted: Sunday, Jun 16, 2002 at 00:00
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can anyone provide information on a diesel oil filter that uses
toilet rolls as the the filter medium ,supposed to remove a lot of
the nasties.
Geoff
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Reply By: Slunnie - Sunday, Jun 16, 2002 at 00:00

Sunday, Jun 16, 2002 at 00:00
I have not heard of this, but I would have thought toilet paper would break down and leave a lot of oil gallery blocking fibres in the oil.
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Follow Up By: Geoff - Sunday, Jun 16, 2002 at 00:00

Sunday, Jun 16, 2002 at 00:00
Slunnie
my thougths exactly thats why i am asking the question i was told about this filter by a truck salesman ?????
Geoff
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Follow Up By: Geoff - Friday, Jun 21, 2002 at 00:00

Friday, Jun 21, 2002 at 00:00
Slunnie
have you been following the chit chat about the oil filters
Geoff
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Follow Up By: Slunnie - Friday, Jun 21, 2002 at 00:00

Friday, Jun 21, 2002 at 00:00
G'day Geoff, I sort of had an eye on it, and am truely surprised by the filter! It sounds like a strange idea that has worked well, especially considering the milage some people are getting. I'm keen to hear how you go when contacting 4M. Regards Slunnie
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Reply By: Graeme - Sunday, Jun 16, 2002 at 00:00

Sunday, Jun 16, 2002 at 00:00
Geoff, re oil filters type of filter called frantz. I have used these filters over the years in trucks and 4x4's, as fuel and oil filters, found their rolls expensive but have used 2ply toilet rolls quite successfully. 1 Cummins engine in truck travelled 1 million klms(18,500hrs) without replacing bearings or injectors. Oil changes approx 30,000klms.
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Follow Up By: Geoff - Tuesday, Jun 18, 2002 at 00:00

Tuesday, Jun 18, 2002 at 00:00
Graeme
Thanks heaps for the reply can you give me any information
as to who supplies these filters or where i can purchase one
many thanks
Geoff
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Reply By: Ross- Wednesday, Jun 19, 2002 at 00:00

Wednesday, Jun 19, 2002 at 00:00
Geoff, we have an 80 series desiel landcruiser with this type of oil filiter on it. As we have only just purchased the car (a month ago) I cant give a full report, but it takes two rolls of 40 sheet toilet paper (previous owner suplied a carton of same) and purports to filter out particles down to 1 micron (standard oil filter gives filtration to 30 microns, apparently), and also absorbs water. This means that sulphur in the oil cant form sulphuric acid.

The filter acts as a bypass unit in tandem with the usual filter. It takes about 4 litres of oil per hour.

Supposedly the use of the filter enables you to spread out your oil changes to up to 20000km, but it is probably safer to stick with the usual 5000 km.

The unit was made in West Australia. If you want I will get the brand and phone number... think it was something like 4M?? (Its cold outside and I dont want to go to the glove box.) Regards Ross
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Follow Up By: Geoff - Thursday, Jun 20, 2002 at 00:00

Thursday, Jun 20, 2002 at 00:00
Ross
thank you very much for all of your reply I most certainly would
appreciate if you could visit the glove box for me I would very much like
the address and telephone number, and any other info you may have
on this filter.
Geoff
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Reply By: ross - Thursday, Jun 20, 2002 at 00:00

Thursday, Jun 20, 2002 at 00:00
Geoff, It is called a 4M filter, manufactured by MIL-MAC (WA) pty ltd, 47 Cohn St, Carlisle, WA, 6101, tel. 09 361 3052. The manual has the following phone number written on it also.... Bruce Bailey, 0412 421 032, and Mike Corbin 07 4468 227, in the section for registered dealers.

Good luck with it.Ross
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Follow Up By: Geoff - Friday, Jun 21, 2002 at 00:00

Friday, Jun 21, 2002 at 00:00
Ross
Good one, I will follow up those contacts and see what happens thank you for solving my inquiry and supplying so much info ,much
appreciated
Geoff
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Reply By: Den - Friday, Jun 21, 2002 at 00:00

Friday, Jun 21, 2002 at 00:00
Just a bloody brilliant filter and filter medium, my toyota diesel has nearly 300.000 on the clock, takes an extra 1.5 litres of oil at the oil change, but that is regular as clockwork....Well...somewhere around 20-30.000ks, BUT I DO USE VERY GOOD OIL Penrite HPR Deisel, and when you do your homework, it works out cheaper in the long run, i just change the filters X2 at about 5.000ks and give the old girl a top up...
Den
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Follow Up By: Geoff - Friday, Jun 21, 2002 at 00:00

Friday, Jun 21, 2002 at 00:00
Den
Sounds like you is one happy chappy with your oil changes.would
definateley be pocket friendly ,and you would think cleaner oil
would would give longer engine life thanks for sharing your story ,these filters sound good to me.
Geoff
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Reply By: Ross - Friday, Jun 21, 2002 at 00:00

Friday, Jun 21, 2002 at 00:00
Hi Den, just to clarify.... Do you change the filters(toilet rolls) in the bypass 4M filter every 5000km and the oil every 20,000Km?? What about the standard oil filter..do you change this every 5000km as well?? i am just trying to work out what I should do with my one. Point taken about the good oil.

Regards, Ross
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Follow Up By: Den - Friday, Jun 21, 2002 at 00:00

Friday, Jun 21, 2002 at 00:00
G'day Ross...
The original filters get a change on the 20,000km -30,000km change, since the dunny rolls are taking care of the stuff down to 2-3 microns, the other filters are just about obsolete, but they still get changed when recomended by the blokes who make the good oil...My own thoughts are, that the original filter takes care of the big chunks of garbage and the other takes care of the rest...A very old and experienced mechanic once told me " The life of your engine IS the quality of you oil" I have always remembered this and have never had an engine failure due to oil problems...(Only water problems, ((not the lack of it either, too dammed much down the air intake)))...

One thing i did not mention earlier, you may see quite a noticeable DROP in oil pressure when the dunny rolls get a bit clogged, no bother really, just change the filters and get back on the road, some people seem to think that the drop in pressure is a failing, on the contrary, i see it as a plus, (you know when the oil is getting dirty with soot and other garbage)...Good luck Den
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Follow Up By: Ross - Saturday, Jun 22, 2002 at 00:00

Saturday, Jun 22, 2002 at 00:00
Hi Den.. Thanks for that information. Unfortunately the 80 series that we have (1993 standard, not even DX) doesnt have an oil pressure gauge!!!!! One less thing to worry about, I suppose.

Now, just to check that we are talking about the same filter... the one we have is a bypass filter that takes a small quantity of oil per hour, so would it affect the oil pressure even if it was completely clogged??

Then would you not just go back to the standard setup with ordinary oil pressure.... or am I missing something??

Regards
Ross

PS Sorry Geoff to hijack your question, but still not too far from the original track.
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Reply By: Ross - Friday, Jun 21, 2002 at 00:00

Friday, Jun 21, 2002 at 00:00
Also Geoff, it is worth mentioning that the information that comes with the filter shows how to identify problems (or lack of, hopefully) by looking at the colour and shape of the toilet rolls when they get taken out... very technical, and a bit like examining the stools, I suppose. (No, I'm not joking).Ross
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