KK caravan full negative camber!! broken axle?

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Gday all, broken down just north of Albury now, this van looks like a broken axle or something similar as both wheels are in need of a wheel alignment!! looks expensive recovery/repair
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Reply By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Tuesday, Nov 17, 2015 at 17:02

Tuesday, Nov 17, 2015 at 17:02
So many dodgy imported caravan/ trailer suspension parts these day, imported from India and China. Much of it is copied, not engineered. Michael
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Follow Up By: Slow one - Tuesday, Nov 17, 2015 at 17:12

Tuesday, Nov 17, 2015 at 17:12
That won't be the case on this particular caravan. Kimberley Karavan aren't the run of the mill camper trailer or caravan.
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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Tuesday, Nov 17, 2015 at 19:10

Tuesday, Nov 17, 2015 at 19:10
That photo doesn't really give a feeling of quality Lol! Michael
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Follow Up By: Slow one - Tuesday, Nov 17, 2015 at 22:05

Tuesday, Nov 17, 2015 at 22:05
Micheal, no on knows why this has happened, so until then it would be good to sit back and find out. Lol!

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Follow Up By: Injected - Saturday, Nov 21, 2015 at 00:09

Saturday, Nov 21, 2015 at 00:09
So many people on the internet shooting their mouths off without thinking.
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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Saturday, Nov 21, 2015 at 04:27

Saturday, Nov 21, 2015 at 04:27
So after doing a bit of thinking, what we're you're thoughts? Michael
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Reply By: Gronk - Tuesday, Nov 17, 2015 at 17:09

Tuesday, Nov 17, 2015 at 17:09
Was it a dual axle or single ?
They have independent trailing arm, similar or the same as the campers and small caravan.
And because of that, it's strange both sides are "bent" ??
I'd say he was on the blower to KK very quick !!
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Reply By: Frank P (NSW) - Tuesday, Nov 17, 2015 at 17:32

Tuesday, Nov 17, 2015 at 17:32
That van has 4 wheel independent suspension.

If you enlarge the pic enough you can see the inner suspension bush or attachment on the right rear swing arm has failed, allowing it to drop and hence the camber on the wheel.

I cannot identify what has happened on the left side - if anything. The lighting and shadows are hiding a lot.

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Follow Up By: Gronk - Tuesday, Nov 17, 2015 at 19:58

Tuesday, Nov 17, 2015 at 19:58
I couldn't make out if it was the single or dual axle van, and blowing the photo up just made it blurry for me !!

Either way, he should get the thing off the road a bit more !!
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Reply By: Member - KeithB - Tuesday, Nov 17, 2015 at 21:17

Tuesday, Nov 17, 2015 at 21:17
A broken Chassis cross member?
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Follow Up By: Frank P (NSW) - Tuesday, Nov 17, 2015 at 21:31

Tuesday, Nov 17, 2015 at 21:31
Yes, that thought had crossed my mind.

I'm reasonably familiar with the engineering of these things, owning a Karavan myself. (The broken one in the OP's photo is actually a Kruiser, the Karavan's big brother). Karavan, Kruiser and Kamper share similar suspension concepts.

Design-wise, I'm sure the chassis is well sorted. IMO something has slipped through QC before it got hidden by production processes - bad welds undetected before galvanising, or something like that, perhaps.

Interesting thing on ABC TV tonight, talking about imported Chinese steel with a high boron content that adversely affects welds. If you know about it, no problem, you can compensate. If you don't, which is often the case in imported raw materials, either the welds or the material adjacent to the weld fails. Interesting.

All we can do is speculate, which is of little help.

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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Tuesday, Nov 17, 2015 at 21:31

Tuesday, Nov 17, 2015 at 21:31
That's my thoughts also.
Can't see how else you may end up with both left and right wheels doing an impression of the splits.
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Reply By: Steve in Kakadu - Tuesday, Nov 17, 2015 at 22:50

Tuesday, Nov 17, 2015 at 22:50
If you took a photo of the underneath of the van we could probably give you a better opinion, there again if you had a look under there you would probably not need to post this.

Just sayin, I have a 400 mm lens on my camera that couldn't give me a better view of your problem.
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Reply By: Hewy54 - Tuesday, Nov 17, 2015 at 23:01

Tuesday, Nov 17, 2015 at 23:01
Quite amazed at the number of people who are willing to speculate on the problem based on one photo which basically shows nothing. Not sure of the reason for the post. I hope the person who took the photo offered to help in any way possible, or may have gone to the trouble of finding out more info for us.
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Follow Up By: Gronk - Wednesday, Nov 18, 2015 at 08:25

Wednesday, Nov 18, 2015 at 08:25
That's what forums are all about......a bit like a mothers meeting on a computer !!! lol

The photo shows the wheel(s) at an angle, so something is wrong......and amongst all the replies is probably the right answer.....but we'll probably never know......and although not in this case, sometimes among the replies is a solution to a problem, so that can be the positive side of a forum !!!
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Follow Up By: Hewy54 - Wednesday, Nov 18, 2015 at 09:44

Wednesday, Nov 18, 2015 at 09:44
I agree Gronk, but the frustrating part is that it has now got me intrigued. The correct answer is probably in the comments, but I do not know which one it is. If I knew then it is something that is useful and will help me on preventative maintenance in the future.
I have had wheels come off in the past- broken studs, missing studs when someone tried to steal my mag, broken wishbone, but just keen on finding out the true problem here.
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Follow Up By: The Landy - Wednesday, Nov 18, 2015 at 11:34

Wednesday, Nov 18, 2015 at 11:34
Given they come at a price of over $120K or more I suspect many will be interested to learn what went wrong...

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Follow Up By: Sigmund - Wednesday, Nov 18, 2015 at 13:00

Wednesday, Nov 18, 2015 at 13:00
Could have been overloaded and pounded.
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Follow Up By: Member - Beatit (QLD) - Wednesday, Nov 18, 2015 at 16:08

Wednesday, Nov 18, 2015 at 16:08
That's usually the manufacturers first reply! Quite often true, going to fast, too much air in the tyres, overloaded. An expensive price does not make it indestructible!
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Reply By: Member - Mark (Tamworth NSW) - Thursday, Nov 19, 2015 at 13:41

Thursday, Nov 19, 2015 at 13:41
Sure he won't be broken down for long with Kimberley service what ever the issue.
I had a shockie go on my Kamper near the top of Cape York which caused significant problems (lost spring, broken extension limiter, brake calipers). They had a replacement spring, strap (they had to make it up ) & other parts on to the courier within 3 hours of notifying them, at Bamaga in 48 hours later.
My fault for not replacing the shocks before I left home. Kimberley parts were cheap, the courier well that another story.
I'll bag the brand of well known Australian shockies, not Kimberley quality or service.
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Follow Up By: Frank P (NSW) - Thursday, Nov 19, 2015 at 15:11

Thursday, Nov 19, 2015 at 15:11
That has been my experience too, Mark.

I had a damaged outer suspension bush on my Karavan. Limped into Kunnunurra and sent pics of the problem to my dealer, who happens to be an engineer himself. Dealer told me to go to an engineering shop - I chose Argyle Engineering. Dealer sent or phoned instructions to Argyle Engineering. Job was done within 24 hours and the Karavan was as good as new. This was outside the warranty period but costs were covered by Kimberley. A pretty impressive response, IMO.

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