Hilux for towing?

Gday,
It maybe time to retire my trusty 80 series and get something a little cheaper to run.
Here's my dilemma.........I was hooked up to the boat ready to go fishing Tuesday. Went to start it to move the boat out of the shed and there was a horrible (starter motor slipping) noise! After a bit of a look I've got coolant in no.6 piston........now assuming it wasn't just the starter motor but a hydraulic lock,so......head gasket or head buggered and after hydraulic lock possible con rod damage etc etc............
Now,,,,as well as the Petrol 80 series Ive got a Suzuki Sierra for the beach a couple of Harleys, a work car and the Mrs's Commodore.........Yep.....too many toys.
What I'm thinking is selling the Mrs Commodore (to my Son) Fixing the 80 series ad flogging it and buying a Diesel Hilux twin cab. One less car to rego, cheaper to run, and the Mrs can run it to work.
What Im thinking of is a 2012 or newer turbo diesel Hilux twin cab. I love the power of the petrol 80 but hate the fuel consumption but are a bit worried about beach launching the boat (16ft fibre glass half cab with 115 Merc) and towing the camper with a light less powerful car.

What's your thoughts????? How do you reckon the Hilux would perform against the Landcruiser for beach launching?
Is there any models better than others I should look at or avoid?
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers
Hairy
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Reply By: gbc - Monday, Jan 04, 2016 at 06:27

Monday, Jan 04, 2016 at 06:27
Hilux should do that no problem. Use low range on the ramp if it is a bit heavy taking off.
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Follow Up By: Hairy (NT) - Monday, Jan 04, 2016 at 09:38

Monday, Jan 04, 2016 at 09:38
No ramps.......beach launching.

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Follow Up By: gbc - Monday, Jan 04, 2016 at 10:56

Monday, Jan 04, 2016 at 10:56
Still no issue. My last (2003) v6 hilux used to tow the 18ft Cruisecraft up Fraser and launch/retrieve no probs. The newer ones would be better again. Might need to let more air out than the big tyres on an 80 series though.
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Follow Up By: Hairy (NT) - Monday, Jan 04, 2016 at 12:09

Monday, Jan 04, 2016 at 12:09
aren't the Diesels 3.0lt and the petrols 4.0lt?
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Follow Up By: gbc - Monday, Jan 04, 2016 at 12:45

Monday, Jan 04, 2016 at 12:45
Mine was the 3.4 v6. 4.0 didn't start until about 2005?
I'm a fan of a 1fz 80 series. We've still got one, so I understand your worry.
The off idle torque of the little 3 litre diesel in the hilux makes it very handy for launching though.
For sand towing work I'd push hard for an auto box as well. You won't know yourself with that combination.
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Follow Up By: Hairy (NT) - Monday, Jan 04, 2016 at 18:09

Monday, Jan 04, 2016 at 18:09
Ive just had a look at a 2013 3.0lt turbo diesel tray in auto with 120000km nice car a bit dear with those km on it at $35000.
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Reply By: cruiser 3 - Monday, Jan 04, 2016 at 09:49

Monday, Jan 04, 2016 at 09:49
Hi Hairy. I had an 80 series petrol for 16years and towed a caravan. Finally I brought a dual can Triton, it's manual and produces 400 nm torque.
I never thought a small 2.5 liter motor could do the job but I am amazed by it. I tow a 2 tonne caravan and it pulls it effortlessly on the highway and through hilly country. It uses half the fuel compared to the 80. The only downside as I see it is that first gear could be a little lower for when taking off on a steep hill with 2 tonne behind. In your case though launching the boat low range could be used. Although mine is a Triton I think the same would apply to a Hilux or any of the dual cabs for that matter. Also hardly worth doing up the 80 series, mine was one owner,380,000 in very good condition and I only got $5000 for it
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Follow Up By: Hairy (NT) - Monday, Jan 04, 2016 at 12:14

Monday, Jan 04, 2016 at 12:14
Gday cruiser,

I have memories of 4cyl's sitting on the beach with their foot hard on the accelerator and not being able to spin the wheels...........just worries me a bit. Especially in the autos.

And I know the feeling with the 80 series.....mines well over the 300k mark too and not worth spending the money on.......been a fantastic car though and a shame to send it to the wreckers.

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Reply By: Member - MARIC - Monday, Jan 04, 2016 at 10:40

Monday, Jan 04, 2016 at 10:40
We thought the same way, but found to get the torque I wanted the revs were up high.
Settled for dual cab v8 diesel 2014 cruiser, with grunt down in low rpm,s
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Follow Up By: Hairy (NT) - Monday, Jan 04, 2016 at 12:19

Monday, Jan 04, 2016 at 12:19
Don't tempt me!!!!
I was just looking at a V8 Cruiser.......trying to convince myself that the fuel economy wont be to bad.....My Mrs would have a fit if I came home with one of those and told her it was her new work car (150 km per day) and shopping trolley......even if I put Hilux badges on it. LOL
Not out of the question though...........
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Follow Up By: Bob Y. - Qld - Monday, Jan 04, 2016 at 12:35

Monday, Jan 04, 2016 at 12:35
The V8's economy is surprising me.

Took delivery of single cab at end of September, and have done a few long runs in it since. On more than one occasion have managed just over 600kms from rear tank, without resorting to sucking the last pannikin full out of it. Refill about 77-80L. One of these times was from Birdsville across Rig Road to Purnie Bore.

Spent Christmas in Cairns, travelling up and back through The Lynd. 600km plus, from rear tank, both trips. Bit of highway travel, and a head wind, seems to be a different story. :-(

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Follow Up By: Dion - Monday, Jan 04, 2016 at 12:59

Monday, Jan 04, 2016 at 12:59
A couple of months ago I had to run a mates V8 diesel landcruiser ute from Alice Springs to Darwin for him. I'm glad he gave me the Shell card for it for prior to leaving on the trip.
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Follow Up By: Member - MARIC - Monday, Jan 04, 2016 at 15:07

Monday, Jan 04, 2016 at 15:07
now Dion, ..... out of curiosity how fast were you travelling? over 120kph lol
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Follow Up By: Member - MARIC - Monday, Jan 04, 2016 at 15:10

Monday, Jan 04, 2016 at 15:10
Average fuel consumption with roof rack etc 12.5 - 15l100k depending how heavy my foot is, also just had the ECU remapped an extra 60hp and 120nm of torque, just want to change diff ratio now and thats all the mods ;o))
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Follow Up By: Bob Y. - Qld - Monday, Jan 04, 2016 at 22:43

Monday, Jan 04, 2016 at 22:43
Those figures sound pretty handy, Maric.

Mate in Vic has a dual cab, fitted with 3" exhaust. At about 60K, he fitted a chip and clutch couldn't handle the extra horses. Fitted an Exedy clutch, and as the tranny was out, slotted in a 2" crossover pipe. Reckons it really boogies now. He hasn't mentioned new diff ratios..........:-)

And one more OT item. Daughter has a new Mazda 3 hatchback t/d hatchback AWD. On checking stats for this little rocket, find it has 10 less nM's than the L/C V8's...........really deflated my ego.

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Follow Up By: Dion - Monday, Jan 04, 2016 at 22:57

Monday, Jan 04, 2016 at 22:57
I was cruising at $1.30 all the way. Had the rear tank completely dry by Tennant Creek, probably about 1/4 left in main tank. Still on $1.30 from Tennat Creek to Katherine, rear tank dry again, main tank getting quite low. I didn't completely fill in Katherine, just enough to get to Howard Springs, then he could fill it wherever he liked once he got there.
I flew back to Alice Springs the following day.
I'm glad I were able to cruise at $1.30, wouldn't have been a pleasant trip traveling 20km/h slower.


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Follow Up By: Member - MARIC - Tuesday, Jan 05, 2016 at 00:44

Tuesday, Jan 05, 2016 at 00:44
Hi Bob, had to do the same with the clutch Exedy fitted a week after remap, engine more economical if I don't tramp it. Runs 100c cooler on egr
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Reply By: Bob Y. - Qld - Monday, Jan 04, 2016 at 12:26

Monday, Jan 04, 2016 at 12:26
We used to tow a 2300L fuel tank with a Hilux, Hairy. It was about a 2000 model, so no turbo.

I've been driving a newish(bought new March, 2015) SR Hilux dual cab lately, doing a 700km plus mail run south of Winton. Only about 80km of bitumen in the run, so rest is dirt, gravel, corrugations etc, and I'm really quite impressed with it. Has Ironman suspension, Toyota mags with Toyo M55's ??265.65R17 tyres, b/bar, side rails and steel tray.

We do the run in about 10 hours, stop at about 10 stations(and talk a bit too!!), so generally keep the speed right up there. Economy way better than his Landcruiser ute, use about 100L for the day. I think it would pull okay, with right tyres and pressures, though I haven't done any towing.

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Follow Up By: Slow one - Monday, Jan 04, 2016 at 20:03

Monday, Jan 04, 2016 at 20:03
Hairy, watch that very high first gear for the clutch, ok in low range.

Bob, no log book and less suicide jockeys. Good gig.
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Follow Up By: Bob Y. - Qld - Monday, Jan 04, 2016 at 21:45

Monday, Jan 04, 2016 at 21:45
Dead right, Slow!

No speed cameras or pedestrian crossings either. In fact, there's hardly any humans too! :-))

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Reply By: Kumunara (NT) - Monday, Jan 04, 2016 at 18:20

Monday, Jan 04, 2016 at 18:20
Hairy

Don't limit yourself. There are a lot better utes than the Hilux on the market.
The diesel is lacking in power compared to other utes.
Have a look at the Ford Ranger, VW Amarok and Mazda BT50. All far better vehicles than the hilux.


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Follow Up By: Member - mark D18 - Tuesday, Jan 05, 2016 at 10:32

Tuesday, Jan 05, 2016 at 10:32
Kumunara
I had a good laugh with what you called a better 4x4 than a Hilux.
I thought he was only after an opinion on The Hilux.
Just hang on a second and I will check................................ Yep that what he was after.

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Follow Up By: cruiser 3 - Tuesday, Jan 05, 2016 at 11:36

Tuesday, Jan 05, 2016 at 11:36
What is so wrong with Kuminara suggesting that Hairy should not limit himself to just a Hilux as there are lots of other options available???
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Follow Up By: Kumunara (NT) - Tuesday, Jan 05, 2016 at 11:43

Tuesday, Jan 05, 2016 at 11:43
Mark

Some people suffer from tunnel vision. He was after an opinion on the Hilux. Well I was tactful and I didn't put in that the Hilux is an overrated heap of rubbish. I have driven Hilux's at work for years. Years ago they were the best. They haven't improved over the years and other utes have and are far superior vehicles. I have not driven the latest Hilux which has just been released so I cannot comment on that vehicle. He was asking for an opinion on a 2012 Hilux. The 2012 Hilux is uncomfortable, is underpowered for towing (360 nm), poor ride and handling, etc.

I also received a thanks from Hairy. He appreciated my comment. I do not appreciated your comment which shows low intelligence and an inability to think outside the box.


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Follow Up By: Member - mark D18 - Tuesday, Jan 05, 2016 at 13:48

Tuesday, Jan 05, 2016 at 13:48
Kununara

You are bit defensive , Hopefully you are not a cranky tomorrow .

I Hope Toyota don't read your ill informed ignorant and narrow minded comments.

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Follow Up By: Hairy (NT) - Tuesday, Jan 05, 2016 at 17:08

Tuesday, Jan 05, 2016 at 17:08
Hahahahaha....Now,now........LOL

We have had old and new Ford rangers, Hiluxs, Isuzus and Mazdas at work and personaly Id Have the old or new Hilux over any of them.
I have found the........
The Isuzu is slowly but surely falling apart. I haven't driven it much but the bloke who does reckons its a bucket of poo and is pleading they don't replace it with another. LOL
The older Rangers were absolutely gutless at low revs and had all sorts of mechanical troubles with it. And the new ones just seems like big bulbous buckets of snot and you can hardly see over the bonnet.....too much plastic. One of the drivers love theirs and the other hates it.
The old Mazda seemed like a good bus and is still going strong on a farm after it was sold, The new goes like a shower of sheet, but sags in the rear end (like the Rangers) is way too low, has too much plastic and breakables for my likening and is yet to be proven.
The older Hilux is about to be traded, never missed a beat and will hopefully be replaced with a new Hilux because of it proven reliability. (about to be my new vehicle with my new position)

Every operator, except one, has asked for their vehicles to be replaced with Hilux's when they are due for one reason or another.

But at the end of the day its a bit like the Toyota , Nissan argument.....it comes down to what its used for and personal preference.
In saying that I still appreciate others opinions.


Now.....Ive got to load the esky as I'm off down the beach in the Sierra with my son fishing.....Cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - mark D18 - Tuesday, Jan 05, 2016 at 17:14

Tuesday, Jan 05, 2016 at 17:14
Hairy

Enjoy the Hilux.

And

Enjoy the fishing.

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Reply By: axle - Tuesday, Jan 05, 2016 at 14:52

Tuesday, Jan 05, 2016 at 14:52
G/Day Hairy,..What about a used landcruiser trayback, put a decent canopy on it, ..more power than you need , ..more money, but a lot stronger vehicle all over and resale is unbelievable!


Cheers Axle.
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Follow Up By: Hairy (NT) - Tuesday, Jan 05, 2016 at 15:49

Tuesday, Jan 05, 2016 at 15:49
Gday Axle,
I still need a twin cab as the kids are still at home.....well sort of.
I have looked at the 4 door 70 series or whatever you call them , but my Mrs does around 150km a day for work......that's the only reason Im thinking 4 cylinder........that way I can get rid of two cars for 1.

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Reply By: The Bantam - Thursday, Jan 07, 2016 at 02:00

Thursday, Jan 07, 2016 at 02:00
Buy the 4wd you need and get the Mrs A nissan micra or other such bubble car.

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Follow Up By: Hairy (NT) - Thursday, Jan 07, 2016 at 14:19

Thursday, Jan 07, 2016 at 14:19
If I buy a Hilux the Mrs can drive it to work saving on one vehicle.
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