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Hi, my wife and I are trainee grey nomads, we've done a lot of travelling around Aus with our caravan, boat or roof top camper. We are not retired yet so have to pack a lot in each trip. We have a 2004 petrol/gas Sahara V8 we are very happy with. Since we have had our roof top pod we have travelled further and cheaper than we ever imagined than with our old 2 tonne van. I mention all this to say yeah we are one of you even though we still have some black hair. We are in total awe of the massive rigs we see getting around sometimes with a tinnie on the roof. When we tow the boat or van at 90-100kmh we slurp away 20l/100k petrol or 25+l/100k gas there I've been honest, what does a large van with a boat consume? Don't tell me tail wind downhill best ever stuff??
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David and Michele
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Reply By: Peter_n_Margaret - Wednesday, Jan 20, 2016 at 21:13

Wednesday, Jan 20, 2016 at 21:13
If it is a diesel, probably less than you. :)
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Reply By: Geoff K4 - Wednesday, Jan 20, 2016 at 21:17

Wednesday, Jan 20, 2016 at 21:17
mac3,
We have a D-max 3 litre diesel & tow a 2tonne van. most days we get 16L/100K @ 90-95-100kph. tail wind is a bit better. A big head wind we get around 17L/100K. If you knew my other half, you would know not much is left at home.
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Reply By: MUZBRY- Life member(Vic) - Wednesday, Jan 20, 2016 at 21:58

Wednesday, Jan 20, 2016 at 21:58
Gday
Long down hills in angel gear , loads of fun , out of control eeeehaaa with a bit of luck the car will stay in front of the van..not sure what will happen at mac3

Sorry David , totally un called for jocularity
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Reply By: Idler Chris - Wednesday, Jan 20, 2016 at 22:17

Wednesday, Jan 20, 2016 at 22:17
When you are in van you are enclosed not unlike any room at home. Under canvas in any configuration puts at one with nature and you meet so many nice people in this beautiful country of ours.
What other people think of me is none of my business.
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Follow Up By: Nutta - Thursday, Jan 21, 2016 at 21:09

Thursday, Jan 21, 2016 at 21:09
I've been in tents nearly all my life and im glad to have an enclosed van with shower and loo, and yes, we sit outside all night and chat to passers by also.

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Reply By: Notso - Wednesday, Jan 20, 2016 at 22:24

Wednesday, Jan 20, 2016 at 22:24
My Brother in Law would be close to what you want. We recently travelled around Aus with him and his 200 series diesel, 23 foot Van and Tinnie on roof with outboard on the draw bar of the van.

He was averaging 22 to 23 litres/100ks. We weren't travelling fast, probably doing around 85 to 95 kpH depending on the roads.

Me with a smaller 18 foot 6 van, no tinnie and a BT50 got around 14 to 16 Litres/100ks.
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Reply By: vk1dx - Thursday, Jan 21, 2016 at 06:48

Thursday, Jan 21, 2016 at 06:48
You people make me feel better.

We have a 100 series, 2005 4.2TD auto which has a new tare at 2850 and normally sitting around 3300 for a week long trip. Yes; we have a GVM upgrade to 3700Kg. We get around 13Lt/100 on the highway, 15Lt/100 on dirt and 17Lt/100 on easy sand (fraser etc). Last Simpson was 23Lt/100. The CSR towing a T-van was 24Lt/100. That's with 285 tyres and all the camping gear including an RTT to "help" with the aerodynamics. Mostly driving was at around 5 KPH under the limits. Not as adventurous on dirt, sand and especially not in the deserts. The Madigan was mostly at 20 KPH and as expected, we used up a bit extra for those places.

No tinny on the roof though.

Phil
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Follow Up By: Rob K (VIC) - Thursday, Jan 21, 2016 at 08:14

Thursday, Jan 21, 2016 at 08:14
Hi Phil,

Going completely off topic - how did you manage to get a GVM upgrade for the 100 Series to 3700kgs? I'd love to get my 105 series up to that mark!!

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Rob K
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Thursday, Jan 21, 2016 at 09:04

Thursday, Jan 21, 2016 at 09:04
Hi Rob

Went to an automotive engineering shop and paid them. Sounds simple and between you and me it was. Cost close to $2K all up including some aid bags and both swerve and stability driving tests.

I got the engineers name from a list of approved businesses and engineers on the local ACT rego site.

The only hassle:
The first pit inspection at the rego office was gruelling. The bloke (boss man I learnt) claimed that I had a worn CV joint. I had to get it replaced, even though it had been done 6 months earlier. And by the same shop that I went back to. It was easier just doing it, than having an argument. You never know what they would find. The car had already been inspected last Christmas anyway.

Apart from the "boss man" manager who disappeared just as I got back to get it reinspected - mungrel, all went smoothly. He wouldn't countersign the final inspection, he just walked off without a word to anyone and turned his phone off. We waited for ages until the other staff got a bigger boss man to come and sign the papers. Everyone else was excellent and even apologetic. But this is Canberra and we are dealing with some very strange people at times.

It was quite easy actually and worth every cent spent.

Rob Have a look at the document that is automatically downloaded from this link: Both text and direct link.

https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/~/media/files/formsandpublications/registration/vass_signatories_by_location.ashx?la=en

Victoria VASS inspectors

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Follow Up By: Rob K (VIC) - Thursday, Jan 21, 2016 at 09:25

Thursday, Jan 21, 2016 at 09:25
Thanks Phil,

My problem has been, and continues to be, the attitude of the Victorian jurisdiction for this sort of stuff. I find it so frustrating to hear that NSW/ACT seem to have no real issue with the GVM upgrades post registration and yet in Victoria its all too hard and no one's interested! Have approached a few VASS Signatories and it's always the same response.

Glad to see you've made yourself legal at the higher loads.

Cheers

Rob K
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Thursday, Jan 21, 2016 at 09:36

Thursday, Jan 21, 2016 at 09:36
It's good to be legal on two counts, namely safety and to know that we shouldn't have to park the car on the side of the road and try to get the load lessened. That would be a big way of stuffing up a holiday.

If it was me I would ring them all and hope that I got one who was on good terms with a registry inspection site. Once the inspectors have approved it I don't think the upper echelon can knock it back if all the boxes are ticked. Especially if you go to a contact that they themselves have approved.

I do understand. The first that I rang wouldn't touch it. Maybe for the same reason that you mentioned - too hard.

Phil
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Reply By: Crusier 91 - Thursday, Jan 21, 2016 at 07:10

Thursday, Jan 21, 2016 at 07:10
Mac3,
I have to say that your figures for fuel usage are excellent for a v8 petrol.
I use 1/3 more fuel to diesels with a carby 6 80 series.
Keep in mind that petrol engine servicing & parts are far less in cost than diesel.
I would be more than happy with your set up. I'd even ditch the lpg for a long range fuel tank with those figures.
I'm guessing without towing you would have to be getting around the 15-16l/per 100km or even less?
Having said the above, if you decide to sell it for a diesel, make sure you sell privately and ensure you list for top dollar. It will sell fast.



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Reply By: baznpud (tassie) - Thursday, Jan 21, 2016 at 07:15

Thursday, Jan 21, 2016 at 07:15
G'day,
We have a 2002 V8 petrol 100 series pulling a near 3ton van and average 21-24ltrs per 100.
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Follow Up By: Malcom M - Thursday, Jan 21, 2016 at 11:08

Thursday, Jan 21, 2016 at 11:08
My 2002 diesel 100 weighing just on 4 tonne did 14l/100 up Cape York
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Reply By: Malcom M - Thursday, Jan 21, 2016 at 08:13

Thursday, Jan 21, 2016 at 08:13
To join the diesel / petrol debate.

Recently we did a 2 week corner country trip in our diesel Prado 90 with 4 adults. Accompanying us was a 200 petrol with two adults. We had a roof rack, they had nothing up top.

We did 16ltr per 100Km whereas the 200 consumed 27 ltr/100

The 200 is a 4.5 Ltr V8 petrol whereas the 90 is a 3ltr 4 cylinder diesel.
Different engines sizes but the comparison is relevant. The 4 cylinder should be working a lot harder hence use more fuel than normal whereas the 200 should be just cruising along...
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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Thursday, Jan 21, 2016 at 10:21

Thursday, Jan 21, 2016 at 10:21
Malcolm,
Tell your mate in the 200 to take the handbrake off when driving!! ;))

Thats a shocker.. Michael.
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Follow Up By: Malcom M - Thursday, Jan 21, 2016 at 11:05

Thursday, Jan 21, 2016 at 11:05
Ha... so you'll be keeping the Patrol then Michael :)
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Follow Up By: Jackolux - Thursday, Jan 21, 2016 at 11:50

Thursday, Jan 21, 2016 at 11:50
You really have to work it out in actual cost , even at say 2 bucks a litre it's $22 more pre 100k .
How many big trips a year , how many K's a year do you do , it might be a couple of grand a year +/-

I know ppl that have sold / traded a perfectly good petrol vehicle for a diesel to get better economy , it's cost em thousands , they will never make up the difference in fuel savings .

If you ever have a problem with a CRD fuel system , dirty fuel , water , you better have deep pockets
This l know first hand , .

My last 3 , 4x4s have been diesel , 2 CRD , l have a new Dmax atm , do l think diesel is the best , not by a long shot , but now days if you want a new 4x4 there is not a lot of choice ,
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Follow Up By: Malcom M - Thursday, Jan 21, 2016 at 12:09

Thursday, Jan 21, 2016 at 12:09
Its not just about the costs. Its also about fuel range.
As an example I'd much rather do the Canning using diesel than petrol.
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Follow Up By: Jackolux - Thursday, Jan 21, 2016 at 13:35

Thursday, Jan 21, 2016 at 13:35
That's true and extra Diesel is safer to carry if you need jerry cans , it all depends on what you use your vehicle for ,
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Reply By: Hewy54 - Thursday, Jan 21, 2016 at 08:44

Thursday, Jan 21, 2016 at 08:44
The figure quoted here make me feel better about my old 80 series diesel after market turbo.
Normal driving is 12.7 l/100, on a trip towing 1.7t vista crossover we got 17.4 l/100, little difference between off road or highway, more governed by the speed we do. Usually sit on about 95 for best economy.
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Reply By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Thursday, Jan 21, 2016 at 10:15

Thursday, Jan 21, 2016 at 10:15
Hi David, Janet and I just travelled 5000ks over Xmas, Sydney to SA, across to Kangaroo Island and back. We have a roof top tent and the back of the Patrol was fairly well packed including a 65 Kg fridge. Average fuel cost per litre was $1.18 and 12.3 litrers per hundred overall. Not bad for a Patrol GU 4.2TDi weighing in at about 2800kg.
We keep our speed down when no one is behind us so we expect reasonable fuel figures. Now we are a year or so from retirement, we are thinking about a van, with that comes worse fuel consumption, something that is hard to accept after the reasonable fuel figures we get now. When we used our Off Road box trailer when the kids were younger, the fuel figures were around 16.6 Litres per hundred with the trailer adding only 500kg to the load. We can only imaging the fuel premium we will have to pay if we add two tonne with a van, thats if the poor old Patrol can tow it at all. regards, Michael
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Reply By: Malcom M - Thursday, Jan 21, 2016 at 11:07

Thursday, Jan 21, 2016 at 11:07
BTW Sahara what? 100 series, 200 etc Sahara is only a variant but what of?
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Reply By: ken triton - Thursday, Jan 21, 2016 at 11:33

Thursday, Jan 21, 2016 at 11:33
Hi David,
We had a 200 series TD towing a 2.5 ton off road 18ft van. Averaged between 18 and 22 litres per 100 traveling at around 90 to 95 klms. Sold the 200 series now have 3 litre Dmax same van averages 14 to 16 litres per 100 At the end of the day it uses what it uses I don't worry about it any more, rather enjoy the scenery than looking at the fuel guage.
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Follow Up By: Jackolux - Thursday, Jan 21, 2016 at 11:52

Thursday, Jan 21, 2016 at 11:52
And you will have a lot more time to look at the scenery in a Dmax , especially up hills .
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Follow Up By: ken triton - Thursday, Jan 21, 2016 at 12:01

Thursday, Jan 21, 2016 at 12:01
True it is a little slower up hills, but the money I save lets me buy more refreshments for happy hour and I am pretty happy with the Dmax
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Follow Up By: Jackolux - Thursday, Jan 21, 2016 at 12:21

Thursday, Jan 21, 2016 at 12:21
l have a Dmax and tow a 1200kg Tvan , l know what they go like and have driven 200 TD's , a little slower is really a understatement .
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Follow Up By: Top End Az - Thursday, Jan 21, 2016 at 23:45

Thursday, Jan 21, 2016 at 23:45
I've never been in that much of a hurry. You can buy 2 Dmaxs for the price of a 200. Would like a 200 though if I had the bucks. I'll have to wait 20 years until retirement
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Reply By: pop2jocem - Thursday, Jan 21, 2016 at 13:28

Thursday, Jan 21, 2016 at 13:28
Seeing as how you asked.
I have a 1991 HZJ 75 Landcruiser ute. I guess it is now a HDJ75 since I fitted a Toyota 1HD-FT turbo engine to it. It drags our 22' 2800 kg ATM van around no worries including our recently completed 6 month lap of the block. Without the van we have in years gone by done trips such as the CSR, GRR etc.
I know that with the van in tow and our little tinnie on the roof I can get just shy of 400 k's from the 80 liter auxiliary tank and a bit more from the main 90 liter tank. Without the van or boat I get a bit further.
How many mpg kpl lp/100k's? No idea. Work it out yourselves if at all interested. Personally I have a trip to enjoy rather than calculating my fuel consumption. When one of the tanks is empty I switch over and call into the next servo.

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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Thursday, Jan 21, 2016 at 14:16

Thursday, Jan 21, 2016 at 14:16


I let my Garmin GPS work it out when I get home! Michael
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Reply By: Member - mark D18 - Thursday, Jan 21, 2016 at 19:12

Thursday, Jan 21, 2016 at 19:12
Mac3

Almost all diesel 4x4 towing 2.5 ton will use about16 to 18 l/100 km.

So your consumption figures towing less weight would be about right.

So there is not that much difference .



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Reply By: mac3 - Thursday, Jan 21, 2016 at 20:04

Thursday, Jan 21, 2016 at 20:04
Well I thought the subject would have been done to death like 'what is the best tow vehicle' but maybe this had to be said!!
No one is right or wrong just an innocent question thanks everyone.
David and Michele
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Reply By: Nutta - Thursday, Jan 21, 2016 at 21:27

Thursday, Jan 21, 2016 at 21:27
Rg Colorado, bullbar, racks, fridge, dual batteries, tray loaded with canopy and towing 3 tonne van uses around 15 - 18 lph, wheels are also 50mm oversize so makes it a bit thirstier.
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Reply By: Ron N - Friday, Jan 22, 2016 at 14:08

Friday, Jan 22, 2016 at 14:08
If you want to tow, you need a diesel. Diesel fuel has more energy per litre and diesels produce the high torque needed for towing.
Petrol engines just suck fuel at an exponential rate when they are driven fast or are heavily loaded.

People who own big V8 4WD's don't care about fuel consumption - they regard heavy fuel consumption as just part of the price to pay for high levels of luxury and comfort.

The missus and I took a 3 litre diesel Mercedes dual-wheel luxury motorhome from Perth to Darwin and despite sitting on around 90kmh most of the time, the fuel consumption was 16L/100km for the 5000+km trip. The advertised fuel consumption was 13L/100km.

As a previous poster mentioned, if you haul "X" amount of tonnes around, you will use virtually the same amount of fuel for the same driving style, regardless of the size of engine used - if the total gross weight is the same.

A little engine works hard, a big engine works easy, and the big engine has a longer life.

The only time a major difference appears, is when you compare different fuel types.

The old joke about big petrol engines being unable to pass any servo without stopping, applies just as much as it ever did.

Cheers, Ron.
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Reply By: Erad - Friday, Jan 22, 2016 at 17:21

Friday, Jan 22, 2016 at 17:21
There has been a lot of detrol vs diesel discussion over the years, and there is no doubt that a diesel will use less fuel. Modern petrol engines are very good. I used to have a NL Pajero riunning on gas & petrol - mainly on gas. I now have a diesel Pajero and absolutely love it, but it is dearer to run and own that the old NL. Yes - it is economical, but until recently diesel was a ridiculous price. I calculated that whileever the price of LPG was less than 60 % of diesel, LPG was cheaper to use. On top of that maintenance is considerably cheaper.

Regarding range, petrol or gas will not go anywhere near diesel. I have managed over 1200 km form the standard (88L) tank of diesel and the fuel light had only just come on. That was on flat country and driving at teh legal speeds (GPS, not the inaccurate speedo). The gas system I had only had 60L useable and I could get 450 km from it under similar circumstances, but gas is much cheaper unless you live where I do (Cooma) and it is a case of BOHICA (Bend Over, Here It COmes Again). Filling in the capital cities is so much cheaper.

We travelled around the block 3 times on gas, and used 2 tanks of petrol on each trip. Where I knew that there was no gas, I used to leave the gas tank full and drive on petrol. I also had a jerry can which I only filled when I was in a scarce area, and used it as soon as possible to minimise hazards. I also had arranged the power to the petrol pump to be isolated when it was on gas. This way, I was able to run to empty or nearly so on petrol and not damage the petrol pump. I was able to get gas in most places, even though it was awfully expensive. In a few places it was cheaper to run on petrol rather than gas. Overall, my NL cost a lot less than the new NW Pajero to run.

Would I ever go back to Petrol? If I lived in a major city and most of my travel was in cheaper areas, yes. Petrol is far nicer to drive with, it is quieter and maintenance is considerably cheaper. On top of that, the cost of a new fuel pump for a diesel is in the thousands, whereas you can get a good Bosch petrol pump for a bit over a hundred, not that I ever needed to buy a new pump anyway. Similarly, injectors costs hundreds for petorl and thousands for diesel. Oil changes use double the quantity of oil. But I live in the country and at this stage have no intention of going to live in a city, so diesel is the choice for me now. Ask me after my diesel system has buggered up and it may be a different story.
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